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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 01 2013 10:28 GMT
#1921
Holy hell, the amount of hate in this thread is too damn high...

Please, we even have entertaining games...
LiquipediaWanderer
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 01 2013 10:28 GMT
#1922
sigh I wanted to see a TvT finals, Rain so mean wanting a chance to hold his title and deny my wants T.T
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
August 01 2013 10:28 GMT
#1923
And to everybody calling rain boring and a turtle player, have you even seen this series? Rain played very aggressive with drops
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 10:28:57
August 01 2013 10:28 GMT
#1924
On August 01 2013 19:27 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:25 Yonnua wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:23 Sevre wrote:
I don't understand why Rain gets so much hate for being a "safe" macro orientated player, what's wrong with a bit of defence?


If everybody played like Rain it would be the most boring shit in the world. "I'm just going to defend and take another base" "Then I won't attack and will also take another base." Basically like a korean Thorzain/Hasuobs. The only reason we really see fights in rain games are when other people attack him. It's so boring to watch.


Its actually not completely true. Its correct that rain is macro based player, but in every game so far he did show aggression, be it warpprism harass, stormdrops, dt drops or unit pokes in front. He simply playes less allin and less builds that could result in coinflips. I find his style nice to watch and especially good if you want to learn something about PvT and TvP (I'm Terran)... so yeah, can't agree.


he just went for a DT drop build... not sure what this guy wants... 1base blink stalker every game?
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
August 01 2013 10:28 GMT
#1925
Sort of random, but why are there so many viewers on OGN and so few on GOM?
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
August 01 2013 10:28 GMT
#1926
On August 01 2013 19:23 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:21 Lunareste wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:18 Kreb wrote:
That was just bad decisionmaking.... land the stupid 3rd CC and plant a turret. Like a single DT stopped a 3rd base from going up for 5min. He can even do the same aggression anyway if he really wants, but he gets a free backup plan with a 3rd CC should it fail.


No way, he doesn't have the saturation to make a third count for anything. He was already stretching his defense too thin, keeping too much army in his main base; he couldn't have expanded the area where he needed to defend his economy without giving up his aggressive position against Rain as well.


from what i could see he wasnt keeping any army in his main base, just defending with rallys when needed. He could have outproduced rain if he landed his third and while working rain with his medivacs. Rain was on 1 base for some time with his third also getting sniped.

Yea, Bomber was in prime position to get a solid macro advantage, but he didnt take it. Instead he wanted to win 2v2 base. And thats the bad decisionmaking part. Yes, it might have slightly hindered his aggression since he should have been making a bunch of more SCVs to saturate the 3rd, but thats a small price to pay for being 3v2 base. Give me half bombers micro and I win from there with a 3rd established.

Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1927
On August 01 2013 19:28 PerSe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:26 bo1b wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:25 PerSe wrote:
Rain: play extremely solid, shows good drop defence on Star station, shows good game-sense by scouting hidden expo.
Fanboys: wtfbbq bomber's law, wtf bbq.

That was good drop defense?


good drop defence on starstation = not dying to T.


This.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1928
On August 01 2013 19:28 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:27 NarutO wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:25 Yonnua wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:23 Sevre wrote:
I don't understand why Rain gets so much hate for being a "safe" macro orientated player, what's wrong with a bit of defence?


If everybody played like Rain it would be the most boring shit in the world. "I'm just going to defend and take another base" "Then I won't attack and will also take another base." Basically like a korean Thorzain/Hasuobs. The only reason we really see fights in rain games are when other people attack him. It's so boring to watch.


Its actually not completely true. Its correct that rain is macro based player, but in every game so far he did show aggression, be it warpprism harass, stormdrops, dt drops or unit pokes in front. He simply playes less allin and less builds that could result in coinflips. I find his style nice to watch and especially good if you want to learn something about PvT and TvP (I'm Terran)... so yeah, can't agree.


he just went for a DT drop build... not sure what this guy wants... 1base blink stalker every game?


I want to see 1 base 4 gate into probe pull
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1929
On August 01 2013 19:28 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:26 Zealously wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:24 NarutO wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:22 Wintex wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:20 NarutO wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:17 Wintex wrote:
Please bomber.. this is your osl... i said it before you even played the ro32.

i said it to you on facebook too.

please.


Did you really believe he will beat Rain? Bomber is - as much as I am a Terran fan - a very tricky pony with timings and play that can throw of players. Rain is as solid as it gets, and doesn't really get thrown off easily. While his weakness is being so chargelot heavy against mass medivac / bio style , scv pulls against him are not very worthy of anything besides in very low-economy games.

I feel a super greedy game would work out best for Bomber because his control is good so he can hit a timing which has storm, but not yet colossus so he can rule supreme with mass medivac +2/1 and lots of bio.

You do know who you are talking to, right? I will always believe in Bomber. I have believed every game. I will always do it.


At least not a fair weather fan t_T But believing and being reasonable are still two different things


Believing as hard as Wintex does in Bomber, for example, isn't always compatible with being reasonable. Same thing when I watch Life play (but then again that's worked out a fair number of times)

Isn't that the point of being a fan? Believing in your team/player even when everything is against you.

I thought being a fan was more about liking gameplay/the player and cheering for him, being unreasonable and unrealistic does not need to be a given.
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1930
On August 01 2013 19:28 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:26 Thinasy wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:26 bo1b wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:25 PerSe wrote:
Rain: play extremely solid, shows good drop defence on Star station, shows good game-sense by scouting hidden expo.
Fanboys: wtfbbq bomber's law, wtf bbq.

That was good drop defense?


Evidently good enough


rain usually has really good drop defence but he was quite terrible last game, to be fair its rly hard to deal with 4-5+ medi drops


And as someone already mentioned, star station is a bitch as P vs T with those drops
Jaedong & Faker
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1931
On August 01 2013 19:28 AgentW wrote:
Sort of random, but why are there so many viewers on OGN and so few on GOM?

cause gom twitch stream is super far behind
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1932
On August 01 2013 19:28 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:25 PerSe wrote:
Rain: play extremely solid, shows good drop defence on Star station, shows good game-sense by scouting hidden expo.
Fanboys: wtfbbq bomber's law, wtf bbq.


Look I agree that Rain played well but in what universe did he have good drop defense?


Nah man, did you see how his 2 nexii died to protect his army? It was sick.
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dustinth
Profile Joined September 2012
China205 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1933
On August 01 2013 19:25 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:23 Sevre wrote:
I don't understand why Rain gets so much hate for being a "safe" macro orientated player, what's wrong with a bit of defence?


If everybody played like Rain it would be the most boring shit in the world. "I'm just going to defend and take another base" "Then I won't attack and will also take another base." Basically like a korean Thorzain/Hasuobs. The only reason we really see fights in rain games are when other people attack him. It's so boring to watch.


Totally bias, I like Rain's style.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1934
On August 01 2013 19:28 AgentW wrote:
Sort of random, but why are there so many viewers on OGN and so few on GOM?

GOM is having lag issues and OGN is the host of the tournament so watching OGN is the right thing to do.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1935
On August 01 2013 19:28 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:26 Thinasy wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:26 bo1b wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:25 PerSe wrote:
Rain: play extremely solid, shows good drop defence on Star station, shows good game-sense by scouting hidden expo.
Fanboys: wtfbbq bomber's law, wtf bbq.

That was good drop defense?


Evidently good enough


rain usually has really good drop defence but it was quite terrible last game, to be fair its rly hard to deal with 4-5+ medi drops

Well, he produced a lot of Immortals so I doubt he had the necessary Observer network to see drops coming. This and no anti-air (stalks or HTs) for a while made him vulnerable.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1936
On August 01 2013 19:28 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:25 PerSe wrote:
Rain: play extremely solid, shows good drop defence on Star station, shows good game-sense by scouting hidden expo.
Fanboys: wtfbbq bomber's law, wtf bbq.


Look I agree that Rain played well but in what universe did he have good drop defense?

he didn't lose all of his nexus on star station which means it was very good drop defense~
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1937
On August 01 2013 19:26 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:25 PerSe wrote:
Rain: play extremely solid, shows good drop defence on Star station, shows good game-sense by scouting hidden expo.
Fanboys: wtfbbq bomber's law, wtf bbq.

That was good drop defense?

If you think it was without stalkers. Yes it was.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11078 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1938
On August 01 2013 19:26 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:25 samurai80 wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:21 xAdra wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:19 opterown wrote:
stop the damn balance whine

It never stops with the terrans. One game won by protoss and it's all tears and oh-my-gawd-sc-sucks-blizz-hates-terran

My thoughts exactly. People can't just admit a protoss player is just better. Rain is obviously better.

Stop making it sound like terran players are the only ones to balance whine.

Every single race has balance whiners, they're equally loud and they're equally ignorant. Best way to deal with them is ignore them.


Equally ignorant? The terran ones were painful when WoL was actually broken. Equally is complete nonsense. Especially with people shitting on Rain of all people.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 01 2013 10:29 GMT
#1939
On August 01 2013 19:28 AgentW wrote:
Sort of random, but why are there so many viewers on OGN and so few on GOM?

gom twitch stream was is lagging really hard, so everyone went to gomtv.net or ogns stream
Moderatorlickypiddy
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 10:30:47
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1940
Ok what is the go i was on gomtv.net stream and it said 2-1 now on ogn stream saying its on the 5th map?
Edit: post above answers the question I guess.
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
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