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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1941
Gasp, I won't be able to watch game 5... Hope Bomber wins it so I can see at least another game !
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1942
On August 01 2013 19:25 xAdra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:22 asdfOu wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:21 xAdra wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:19 opterown wrote:
stop the damn balance whine

It never stops with the terrans. One game won by protoss and it's all tears and oh-my-gawd-sc-sucks-blizz-hates-terran

yeah cause that's not how every other race is right? since every single terran is the same while every single protoss player has the same mind and every single zerg has the same mind too right?

Yep. These terrans have been whining about TvP since years ago, even when pros say it's perfectly playable, and terran gets tons of strength in HotS. Basically, the terran fan favourites aren't allowed to lose, or else starcraft sucks. Protoss will mostly go like "ok.." when our pros lose because, let's face it, protoss pros dont normally win the gsl while zerg is zerg so yeah.



It all depends on the perspective.. I also heard a lot of protoss players complain how protoss can't harass and it is the weakest race and then they go for radical game suggestions because protoss is so weak.. Even Rain keeps mentioning terran is so strong in hots but apparently he is doing just fine since he also won the last OSL as far as I remember..
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 10:30:18
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1943
On August 01 2013 19:29 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:28 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:26 Zealously wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:24 NarutO wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:22 Wintex wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:20 NarutO wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:17 Wintex wrote:
Please bomber.. this is your osl... i said it before you even played the ro32.

i said it to you on facebook too.

please.


Did you really believe he will beat Rain? Bomber is - as much as I am a Terran fan - a very tricky pony with timings and play that can throw of players. Rain is as solid as it gets, and doesn't really get thrown off easily. While his weakness is being so chargelot heavy against mass medivac / bio style , scv pulls against him are not very worthy of anything besides in very low-economy games.

I feel a super greedy game would work out best for Bomber because his control is good so he can hit a timing which has storm, but not yet colossus so he can rule supreme with mass medivac +2/1 and lots of bio.

You do know who you are talking to, right? I will always believe in Bomber. I have believed every game. I will always do it.


At least not a fair weather fan t_T But believing and being reasonable are still two different things


Believing as hard as Wintex does in Bomber, for example, isn't always compatible with being reasonable. Same thing when I watch Life play (but then again that's worked out a fair number of times)

Isn't that the point of being a fan? Believing in your team/player even when everything is against you.

I thought being a fan was more about liking gameplay/the player and cheering for him, being unreasonable and unrealistic does not need to be a given.

I meant to say fanboy.

Being a fan is what you said.
Fanboying is ignoring everything and just cheering hardcore for your favorites.

imo
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1944
Lol, third game is only now starting on GOMTV.
Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 10:31:00
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1945
Just imagine, Rain wins this OSL. That would mean four consecutive protoss wins. (I know that it's over a long period of time, and even in two separate games, but still...)
first we make expand, then we defense it.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1946
On August 01 2013 19:28 AgentW wrote:
Sort of random, but why are there so many viewers on OGN and so few on GOM?


Most of us GOM viewers are on their website instead of the twitch stream because the Twitch stream was jacked up earlier.
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1947
please bomber. please win.
rip prime
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1948
On August 01 2013 19:27 Lunareste wrote:
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On August 01 2013 19:23 Fjodorov wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:21 Lunareste wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:18 Kreb wrote:
That was just bad decisionmaking.... land the stupid 3rd CC and plant a turret. Like a single DT stopped a 3rd base from going up for 5min. He can even do the same aggression anyway if he really wants, but he gets a free backup plan with a 3rd CC should it fail.


No way, he doesn't have the saturation to make a third count for anything. He was already stretching his defense too thin, keeping too much army in his main base; he couldn't have expanded the area where he needed to defend his economy without giving up his aggressive position against Rain as well.


from what i could see he wasnt keeping any army in his main base, just defending with rallys when needed. He could have outproduced rain if he landed his third and while working rain with his medivacs. Rain was on 1 base for some time with his third also getting sniped.


They showed Bomber leaving his main base mineral line with about 30 supply worth of Bio, that eventually met up with the rest of his forces outside of Rain's third. That bio had been there for a while. I'm telling you...he COULD NOT have defended against a Warp Prism coming in to warp in multiple zealots, he couldn't afford to drop a scan to destroy the DT waiting at his second expo, he had no way to stretch the defense at his home base.


I see, didnt realise he had that amount of supply there. I guess it makes sense. It was frustrating to see him doing all that damage and knowing he had a third but couldnt get more out of it. Im sure Bomber was frustrated as well after that game o_O
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1949
On August 01 2013 19:28 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:25 PerSe wrote:
Rain: play extremely solid, shows good drop defence on Star station, shows good game-sense by scouting hidden expo.
Fanboys: wtfbbq bomber's law, wtf bbq.


Look I agree that Rain played well but in what universe did he have good drop defense?


Rain only lost his main nexus,the nexus on his 3th, an upgrading forge, tons of units and some probes ! I call that a succesful def.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1950
On August 01 2013 19:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:28 AgentW wrote:
Sort of random, but why are there so many viewers on OGN and so few on GOM?

cause gom twitch stream is super far behind

Ah, thanks for the answer. I didn't bother with GOM because I wanted to hear Chobra and didn't catch the first semi.

Also, Kim Carrier and GoRush are the Korean casters? That's pretty cool.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1951
so what has OGN predicted?
thepuppyassassin: "My god... the deathball's grown wings!"
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1952
On August 01 2013 19:29 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:26 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:25 samurai80 wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:21 xAdra wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:19 opterown wrote:
stop the damn balance whine

It never stops with the terrans. One game won by protoss and it's all tears and oh-my-gawd-sc-sucks-blizz-hates-terran

My thoughts exactly. People can't just admit a protoss player is just better. Rain is obviously better.

Stop making it sound like terran players are the only ones to balance whine.

Every single race has balance whiners, they're equally loud and they're equally ignorant. Best way to deal with them is ignore them.


Equally ignorant? The terran ones were painful when WoL was actually broken. Equally is complete nonsense. Especially with people shitting on Rain of all people.

meta-whining is painful and nonsense too yo
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1953
[OSL] Ro4 Day 2 WCS Korea Season 2 2013
[image loading] (P)Rain vs. [image loading] (T)Bomber
Game 5 (3-1)
Map: Whirlwind

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Rain spawns in the top right
Bomber spawns in the top left
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1954
On August 01 2013 19:29 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:28 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:26 Zealously wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:24 NarutO wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:22 Wintex wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:20 NarutO wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:17 Wintex wrote:
Please bomber.. this is your osl... i said it before you even played the ro32.

i said it to you on facebook too.

please.


Did you really believe he will beat Rain? Bomber is - as much as I am a Terran fan - a very tricky pony with timings and play that can throw of players. Rain is as solid as it gets, and doesn't really get thrown off easily. While his weakness is being so chargelot heavy against mass medivac / bio style , scv pulls against him are not very worthy of anything besides in very low-economy games.

I feel a super greedy game would work out best for Bomber because his control is good so he can hit a timing which has storm, but not yet colossus so he can rule supreme with mass medivac +2/1 and lots of bio.

You do know who you are talking to, right? I will always believe in Bomber. I have believed every game. I will always do it.


At least not a fair weather fan t_T But believing and being reasonable are still two different things


Believing as hard as Wintex does in Bomber, for example, isn't always compatible with being reasonable. Same thing when I watch Life play (but then again that's worked out a fair number of times)

Isn't that the point of being a fan? Believing in your team/player even when everything is against you.

I thought being a fan was more about liking gameplay/the player and cheering for him, being unreasonable and unrealistic does not need to be a given.

It depends. Bomber is of the caliber where he beats these players. He CAN. he is no darn foreigner. beating rain is in no way unrealistic. come on...
The Bomber boy
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10035 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1955
On August 01 2013 19:29 Thinasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:28 TT1 wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:26 Thinasy wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:26 bo1b wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:25 PerSe wrote:
Rain: play extremely solid, shows good drop defence on Star station, shows good game-sense by scouting hidden expo.
Fanboys: wtfbbq bomber's law, wtf bbq.

That was good drop defense?


Evidently good enough


rain usually has really good drop defence but he was quite terrible last game, to be fair its rly hard to deal with 4-5+ medi drops


And as someone already mentioned, star station is a bitch as P vs T with those drops


yes but he should have handled it much better after all the early game damage he dealt, once the drops hit he had a supply lead and ht's + charge(i believe)
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1956
On August 01 2013 19:30 ReMinD_ wrote:
Lol, third game is only now starting on GOMTV.

on gomtv.net or the twitch stream? if you are watching the twitch stream watch on gomtv.net
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Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
August 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#1957
On August 01 2013 19:25 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:23 Sevre wrote:
I don't understand why Rain gets so much hate for being a "safe" macro orientated player, what's wrong with a bit of defence?


If everybody played like Rain it would be the most boring shit in the world. "I'm just going to defend and take another base" "Then I won't attack and will also take another base." Basically like a korean Thorzain/Hasuobs. The only reason we really see fights in rain games are when other people attack him. It's so boring to watch.

Rain always harasses with Warp Prisms, or do you just pick and choose what you remember? Remember the mech game play by Bomber? Bomber sits on 3 CCs all game while Rain runs with Psionic Storm drops all over the map. Rain plays safe, not boring. He picks fights where he has a clear advantage. That's called being a good player.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
August 01 2013 10:31 GMT
#1958
On August 01 2013 19:28 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:25 PerSe wrote:
Rain: play extremely solid, shows good drop defence on Star station, shows good game-sense by scouting hidden expo.
Fanboys: wtfbbq bomber's law, wtf bbq.


Rain playing extremely well doesn't invalidate Bomber's Law. Bomber's Law only requires people to be disappointed after expectations are made high, and that's exactly what happened with Supernova giving Rain such a hard time and Bomber 3-0ing First.

So Bombers Law is inevitable then (he's going to lose eventually).
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
August 01 2013 10:31 GMT
#1959
I'd say watch out for blink allin
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
August 01 2013 10:31 GMT
#1960
On August 01 2013 19:29 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 19:26 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:25 samurai80 wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:21 xAdra wrote:
On August 01 2013 19:19 opterown wrote:
stop the damn balance whine

It never stops with the terrans. One game won by protoss and it's all tears and oh-my-gawd-sc-sucks-blizz-hates-terran

My thoughts exactly. People can't just admit a protoss player is just better. Rain is obviously better.

Stop making it sound like terran players are the only ones to balance whine.

Every single race has balance whiners, they're equally loud and they're equally ignorant. Best way to deal with them is ignore them.


Equally ignorant? The terran ones were painful when WoL was actually broken. Equally is complete nonsense. Especially with people shitting on Rain of all people.

If protoss was OP like Terran and Zerg had their moments, you would had those dumbasses too.

And people called Life a patchzerg. Or mvp an all inner/one trick pony, etc...
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