• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:57
CET 08:57
KST 16:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Path of Exile [Game] Osu!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2183 users

[Code A] RO32 Day 2 WCS Korea Season 2 2013 - Page 34

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 Next All
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
July 18 2013 07:05 GMT
#661
On July 18 2013 16:04 usethis2 wrote:
Who is True and team Wings? Never heard of them.


Wings is the team formerly known as Kespa 8th Team.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 18 2013 07:06 GMT
#662
On July 18 2013 16:00 calh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 15:54 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:47 Evenshade wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:41 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:35 stuchiu wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?

HyuN (17)
 
53%

other (7)
 
22%

soO (5)
 
16%

RorO is still top 3 (3)
 
9%

32 total votes

Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?

(Vote): soO
(Vote): HyuN
(Vote): RorO is still top 3
(Vote): other



I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.


Hyun > sOo

Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.


Frankly (and this is definitely my bias shining through) but neither of them are top 3 zerg because they are incomplete players. hyvaa's mid-lategame is extremely lacking and soO doesn't dominate the lower competition enough.


IMO Hyun isn't a good candidate either, maybe if you look at short-term performance, but in the long run I can hardly imagine him doing something big. He plays a lot, wins a lot but also loses a fair amount even against mediocre opponents. But most importantly he doesn't seem to have flair, which hinders his ability to reach great heights. He looks good against decent opponents but has never looked really threatening against the cream of the crop.


I don't think Hyun is a top 3 zerg. I don't think there is a top 3 to be argued besides Soulkey being the best. Zerg players are going through the classic period of instability during the beginning of a new SC game. It takes a long time for them to figure out how to discern and react appropriately to the new meta.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
July 18 2013 07:06 GMT
#663
MKP MKP MKP MKP MKP MKP
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
July 18 2013 07:07 GMT
#664
On July 18 2013 16:03 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 16:00 calh wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:54 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:47 Evenshade wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:41 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:35 stuchiu wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?

HyuN (17)
 
53%

other (7)
 
22%

soO (5)
 
16%

RorO is still top 3 (3)
 
9%

32 total votes

Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?

(Vote): soO
(Vote): HyuN
(Vote): RorO is still top 3
(Vote): other



I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.


Hyun > sOo

Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.


Frankly (and this is definitely my bias shining through) but neither of them are top 3 zerg because they are incomplete players. hyvaa's mid-lategame is extremely lacking and soO doesn't dominate the lower competition enough.


IMO Hyun isn't a good candidate either, maybe if you look at short-term performance, but in the long run I can hardly imagine him doing something big. He plays a lot, wins a lot but also loses a fair amount even against mediocre opponents. But most importantly he doesn't seem to have flair, which hinders his ability to reach great heights. He looks good against decent opponents but has never looked really threatening against the cream of the crop.

Have to disagree, HyuN has been playing very consistently against the cream of the crop recently. He performed solidly in MLG and narrowly lost to Polt, defeated LucifroN in the RSL Ro8 and fared well against some of the best Koreans in the IEM Shanghai Korean qualifiers. Occasionally he loses in an upset, but these are almost always in the early rounds of online tournaments or in ATC where Quantic is basically eliminated.


Right, Hyun is not only in great shape, but also fairly stilistic with his viper usage e.g. The reason he doesn´t get as much attention is because he doesn´t play in proleague four times a week.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 07:12:00
July 18 2013 07:07 GMT
#665
If Fantasy beats Rain the Code A Ro24 is
FanTaSy vs Life
Rain vs Dream

If the more likely Rain beats Fantasy happens, Code A Ro24 is
FanTaSy vs Dream
Life vs loser of hyvaa / Rain / First tiebreaker
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
July 18 2013 07:09 GMT
#666
On July 18 2013 16:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
If Fantasy beats Rain the Code A Ro32 is
FanTaSy vs Life
Rain vs Dream

If the more likely Rain beats Fantasy happens, Code A Ro32 is
FanTaSy vs Dream
Life vs loser of hyvaa / Rain / First tiebreaker

Don't you mean Ro24???
IN SOVIET RUSSIA ノ┬─┬ノ ︵ ( \o°o)\ Table Flips you
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 18 2013 07:11 GMT
#667
On July 18 2013 16:09 rice_devOurer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 16:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
If Fantasy beats Rain the Code A Ro32 is
FanTaSy vs Life
Rain vs Dream

If the more likely Rain beats Fantasy happens, Code A Ro32 is
FanTaSy vs Dream
Life vs loser of hyvaa / Rain / First tiebreaker

Don't you mean Ro24???

yea my bad thanks
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 18 2013 07:13 GMT
#668
On July 18 2013 16:11 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 16:09 rice_devOurer wrote:
On July 18 2013 16:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
If Fantasy beats Rain the Code A Ro32 is
FanTaSy vs Life
Rain vs Dream

If the more likely Rain beats Fantasy happens, Code A Ro32 is
FanTaSy vs Dream
Life vs loser of hyvaa / Rain / First tiebreaker

Don't you mean Ro24???

yea my bad thanks

ro36 dammit
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
July 18 2013 07:18 GMT
#669
On July 18 2013 16:13 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 16:11 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 18 2013 16:09 rice_devOurer wrote:
On July 18 2013 16:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
If Fantasy beats Rain the Code A Ro32 is
FanTaSy vs Life
Rain vs Dream

If the more likely Rain beats Fantasy happens, Code A Ro32 is
FanTaSy vs Dream
Life vs loser of hyvaa / Rain / First tiebreaker

Don't you mean Ro24???

yea my bad thanks

ro36 dammit


You cannot make up rounds as you please. ro32, now that is a solid, old-fashioned round.
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
July 18 2013 07:24 GMT
#670
MKP FTW!
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
calh
Profile Joined March 2013
537 Posts
July 18 2013 07:29 GMT
#671
On July 18 2013 16:03 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 16:00 calh wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:54 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:47 Evenshade wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:41 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:35 stuchiu wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?

HyuN (17)
 
53%

other (7)
 
22%

soO (5)
 
16%

RorO is still top 3 (3)
 
9%

32 total votes

Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?

(Vote): soO
(Vote): HyuN
(Vote): RorO is still top 3
(Vote): other



I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.


Hyun > sOo

Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.


Frankly (and this is definitely my bias shining through) but neither of them are top 3 zerg because they are incomplete players. hyvaa's mid-lategame is extremely lacking and soO doesn't dominate the lower competition enough.


IMO Hyun isn't a good candidate either, maybe if you look at short-term performance, but in the long run I can hardly imagine him doing something big. He plays a lot, wins a lot but also loses a fair amount even against mediocre opponents. But most importantly he doesn't seem to have flair, which hinders his ability to reach great heights. He looks good against decent opponents but has never looked really threatening against the cream of the crop.

Have to disagree, HyuN has been playing very consistently against the cream of the crop recently. He performed solidly in MLG and narrowly lost to Polt, defeated LucifroN in the RSL Ro8 and fared well against some of the best Koreans in the IEM Shanghai Korean qualifiers. Occasionally he loses in an upset, but these are almost always in the early rounds of online tournaments or in ATC where Quantic is basically eliminated.


But that's exactly the point. He does well and does it often, but he also plays a lot. Sure he can perform on an even footing with Code-S class players (he was/is Code-S class after all), but he's never stood out as the zerg to watch out for. Like Life, Leenock, DRG, Soulkey, Nestea, Stephano - even Losira to some extent - each had their own time. His best period was probably around IPL5 when he went up against Sniper, but that season was wacky from the get-go and a lot of his hype came from the IPL Fight Clubs which was really like "oh cool this guy has had an insane run, let's hope he caps it with a big win" than "how can you even beat him when he's on".

My point is that despite his good records and competitive skill, he's never had the scary aura that other top zergs had. Maybe it's just that the stars didn't align for him or it's the way his playstyle looks, maybe he's really lacking something. TBH I don't watch enough of him (and of SC2 in general) to know, but it's the impression on a casual fan like me. Though to be honest none of the zerg stars look good at the moment except for Soulkey, so he might just make the list because of it.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
July 18 2013 07:31 GMT
#672
On July 18 2013 16:05 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 16:04 usethis2 wrote:
Who is True and team Wings? Never heard of them.

Jin Air wings is the sponsor for T8, true is a zerg whom was thought to be retired but it appears he cancelled it or major was misinformed I dunno

Not misinformed. he was contemplating it but decided against it after getting whatever was ailing him straightened out.
TRUE IS NOT RETIRING EVERYONE!
Erraa93
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia891 Posts
July 18 2013 07:40 GMT
#673
Oh wow Dream over Roro? Thats impressive.
xpaperclip
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
July 18 2013 07:44 GMT
#674
Remaining unbroadcast match

(P)Flying 2-1 (P)Dear, plays (P)PartinG for Code S.
+ Show Spoiler +
(P)Flying < Bel'Shir Vestige > (P)Dear
(P)Flying < Anaconda > (P)Dear
(P)Flying < Akilon Wastes > (P)Dear
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 18 2013 07:49 GMT
#675
Shit, MarineKing won 2 series in a row <3!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 18 2013 07:54 GMT
#676
On July 18 2013 16:44 xpaperclip wrote:
Remaining unbroadcast match

(P)Flying 2-1 (P)Dear, plays (P)PartinG for Code S.
+ Show Spoiler +
(P)Flying < Bel'Shir Vestige > (P)Dear
(P)Flying < Anaconda > (P)Dear
(P)Flying < Akilon Wastes > (P)Dear

Thanks! Go Flying!
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 18 2013 08:01 GMT
#677
Hmm what's up with the GOMTV.net logo hiding the supply counts in the top right corner in the VODs?
Is there a way to remove it or something?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 18 2013 08:17 GMT
#678
On July 18 2013 16:44 xpaperclip wrote:
Remaining unbroadcast match

(P)Flying 2-1 (P)Dear, plays (P)PartinG for Code S.
+ Show Spoiler +
(P)Flying < Bel'Shir Vestige > (P)Dear
(P)Flying < Anaconda > (P)Dear
(P)Flying < Akilon Wastes > (P)Dear


Yus! Flying is going to pay for that dishwasher comment :p
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
July 18 2013 08:17 GMT
#679
Fuck yeah MKP :D
Community News
TL+ Member
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 18 2013 08:55 GMT
#680
My main work computer died so I had to get an upgrade lolz

I can probably play SC2 from work now >.>

YAY FLYING
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Prev 1 32 33 34 35 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
07:30
Playoffs
Classic vs MaxPax
SHIN vs ReynorLIVE!
herO vs Maru
Crank 881
Tasteless566
Rex70
IndyStarCraft 53
CranKy Ducklings45
3DClanTV 43
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Crank 881
Tasteless 566
Rex 70
IndyStarCraft 53
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 11026
PianO 4186
firebathero 507
Larva 282
HiyA 95
Hm[arnc] 17
Bale 4
Dota 2
monkeys_forever450
NeuroSwarm111
League of Legends
JimRising 566
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 536
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor70
Other Games
summit1g14835
C9.Mang0380
Happy206
Trikslyr31
Dewaltoss19
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream3935
Other Games
gamesdonequick626
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 105
lovetv 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH323
• Adnapsc2 18
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1857
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
4h 4m
SC Evo League
4h 34m
IPSL
9h 4m
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
OSC
9h 4m
BSL 21
12h 4m
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
23h 34m
Wardi Open
1d 6h
IPSL
1d 12h
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
1d 12h
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
OSC
1d 15h
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LAN Event
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.