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On July 17 2013 05:24 virpi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 05:20 pjc8513 wrote:
WCS: the only tournament where foreigners mysteriously beat mediocre Koreans fixed. look at the koreans competing in wcs eu: group 1: "the ones who used to be much better": mc, mma, forgg group 2: "the ones who haven't been that good until now": tails, duckdeock, shuttle exception: group 3: "IM jürgen and will therefore smash every european": mvp
Ah RO8 in WCS finals is mediocre, so effectively there are 4 non-mediocre Koreans?
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On July 17 2013 05:23 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 05:23 revel8 wrote:
Grubby won because he had a secret third base that enabled him to assemble a higher tech army much sooner than his opponent anticipated. Grubby was able to get a critical number of High Templar's with storm at an earlier time than would be possible on 2 base. So ForGG's army was outmatched due to the economy difference. And ForGG was not aware that Grubby had so many High Templars until it was too late. No I think it's because he delayed robo + upgrades to get storm out quicker.
I understand his build was designed to go for early storm but I feel the main difference in the decisive battles was the extra base enabled Grubby to get a lot more High Templars than ForGG anticipated. So it was not just that he had storm, but that he was able to cast so many of them. A lot more than would be possible on two base economy.
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Lag? forGG not at Europe?
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Canada16217 Posts
On July 17 2013 05:27 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Lag? forGG not at Europe?
He was playing in korea as he had visa issues and could not go back to europe yet.
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On July 17 2013 05:27 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Lag? forGG not at Europe?
He is in Korea beause of the french embassy.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On July 17 2013 05:26 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 05:21 stuchiu wrote:On July 17 2013 05:13 Otolia wrote:On July 17 2013 05:12 stuchiu wrote:On July 17 2013 05:11 Otolia wrote:
What is this "Europe Holds Bullshit" ?! ForGG should have played from Europe. He got his yearly work visa processed but it never arrived to the french embassy in Seoul.
ForGG has been ripped off. He could have gotten into the yearly finals but now he won't have enough points.
FRUSTRATION !!!!!! Just win Dreamhack Valencia, and a few more local lans and he'll be fine. He can't either. I don't know what the Marseille prefecture is doing but those southern mafiosi are really really dropping the ball here. Better pray Mvp, Soulkey Innovation, Symbol and Bomber all make it to WCS World then. I am not the Mvp fan but I can cheer for the rest, especially Symbol and Soulkey. Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 05:23 govie wrote:On July 17 2013 05:21 sharkie wrote:On July 17 2013 05:20 pjc8513 wrote:
WCS: the only tournament where foreigners mysteriously beat Koreans WCS Europe  NA too. Scarlet wooped Hero This must be karma. I enjoyed Hero's defeat and now the Starcraft's God has punished me to feel the same despair as HerO's fans ! 
Heh, the StarCraft gods? You challenged me yesterday. Your pain shall never end.
Let me ask you a question, who else do you really like?
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On July 17 2013 05:27 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Lag? forGG not at Europe?
His visa never arrived to Soul for him to get back to France.
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On July 17 2013 05:27 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Lag? forGG not at Europe?
No, french embassy is stupidly slow.
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On July 17 2013 05:27 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Lag? forGG not at Europe?
noone reads the op guys i tell you that. no, he plays from korea, on the first page there is a link to his tweet
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On July 17 2013 05:28 Cokefreak wrote:His visa never arrived to Soul for him to get back to France.
That sucks! Hate to know someone played with lag, especially a terran, more micro intensive. oh well, Grubby deserved this no doubts!
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On July 17 2013 05:17 HugzForL wrote:
Im just laughing hard at people saying Grubby is better than ForGG. Yeah sure Grubby is better than Hero and sOs, we all know that.
Mostly people seem to argue that Grubby was better than ForGG today in the last set, I don't think people are arguing Grubby is the better player, let alone better than Hero and sOs? Grubby didn't win with pure luck and he didn't win because of a small micro-mistake, but this game he made the better decisions and won. I'm sure if they're playing in a LAN-environment for 99 games that ForGG would win more than half, but today he lost to Grubby who won through making better decisions.
I'd love for all this "the better player didn't go through" to stop at some point, there's no objective measurement for that so arguing like there is one is just silly. There are so many different skills one could master and so many circumstances beyond our control.
Congrats to VortiX & Grubby for getting Ro16!
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Enjoying watching WCS this month! Thanks to the casters, players and sponsors for making it all happen!
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Grubby should play more safely from now. Hiding bases and stuff is risky. His next opponents will be looking for these kind stuff in the RO16.
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On July 17 2013 05:27 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 05:24 virpi wrote:On July 17 2013 05:20 pjc8513 wrote:
WCS: the only tournament where foreigners mysteriously beat mediocre Koreans fixed. look at the koreans competing in wcs eu: group 1: "the ones who used to be much better": mc, mma, forgg group 2: "the ones who haven't been that good until now": tails, duckdeock, shuttle exception: group 3: "IM jürgen and will therefore smash every european": mvp Ah RO8 in WCS finals is mediocre, so effectively there are 4 non-mediocre Koreans?
don't forget that forgg mainly qualified for the finals due to his tvt. he played very well in the first round of the finals, but he has been lacking consistency in the other matchups since forever.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Shine beat Bisu in BW. The better player doesn't always win but usually the one who performs better during the matches that count wins. Was Shine better than Bisu? Roflno. Was he better than Bisu when they played? Yeah, and screw hydra busts.
Grubby may not be better than ForGG but he was the better player today so it's only fair to give him credit where it's due.
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Meh, this is sad. The semifinalist from last season delivered so many good and entertaining games! Gratz to the winners nonetheless.
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On July 17 2013 05:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:He was playing in korea as he had visa issues and could not go back to europe yet.
He couldn't get back to France, not Europe in general.
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On July 17 2013 05:34 ibo422 wrote:
Meh, this is sad. The semifinalist from last season delivered so many good and entertaining games! Gratz to the winners nonetheless.
Yeah, ForGG is always fun to watch so it is a shame he's out so early. But Grubby is a good guy to have in the tournament as well.
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On July 17 2013 05:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 05:26 Otolia wrote:On July 17 2013 05:21 stuchiu wrote:On July 17 2013 05:13 Otolia wrote:On July 17 2013 05:12 stuchiu wrote:On July 17 2013 05:11 Otolia wrote:
What is this "Europe Holds Bullshit" ?! ForGG should have played from Europe. He got his yearly work visa processed but it never arrived to the french embassy in Seoul.
ForGG has been ripped off. He could have gotten into the yearly finals but now he won't have enough points.
FRUSTRATION !!!!!! Just win Dreamhack Valencia, and a few more local lans and he'll be fine. He can't either. I don't know what the Marseille prefecture is doing but those southern mafiosi are really really dropping the ball here. Better pray Mvp, Soulkey Innovation, Symbol and Bomber all make it to WCS World then. I am not the Mvp fan but I can cheer for the rest, especially Symbol and Soulkey. On July 17 2013 05:23 govie wrote:On July 17 2013 05:21 sharkie wrote:On July 17 2013 05:20 pjc8513 wrote:
WCS: the only tournament where foreigners mysteriously beat Koreans WCS Europe NA too. Scarlet wooped Hero This must be karma. I enjoyed Hero's defeat and now the Starcraft's God has punished me to feel the same despair as HerO's fans ! Heh, the StarCraft gods? You challenged me yesterday. Your pain shall never end. Let me ask you a question, who else do you really like?
More or less in order :Millenium guys (Obviously), Polt & Symbol & HyuN, Soulkey, TaeJa, Squirtle, MaNa, LucifroN & VortiX, Stephano >> A bunch of good koreans, Snute (except when he wins against Millenium), TLO (except when he wins and I thought he couldn't), Welmu, a bunch of good europeans (like Grubby, White-Ra) >> the rest I guess.
That's pretty much what I can think of right now;
On July 17 2013 05:31 virpi wrote:don't forget that forgg mainly qualified for the finals due to his tvt. he played very well in the first round of the finals, but he has been lacking consistency in the other matchups since forever.
TvZ is his weakness, he is quite good in TvP. But you are right he got through last season with TvT which shames me.
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Does this become a live event at the Ro16? Meaning, do they play in front of an audience during a weekend?
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