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Language discussion is fun, and there is a demand on good translation from korean to english. This thread derailed a bit, but it's not like we have a lot to discuss about the games during this downtime anyways.
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Go to South Korea and you will realise why someone who grew up there has a poor command of English- it just isn't needed and is nearly non-existent in daily life.
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On June 09 2013 15:52 Canucklehead wrote:
We're 10 mins from the finals and we're sitting here talking about languages? Not a game, but languages? We're not even talking about the game, the actual game that matters. We're sitting here talking about languages man!
we talkin bout practice languages
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On June 09 2013 15:55 Veroleg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 14:07 jalstar wrote:On June 09 2013 14:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 09 2013 13:58 Evangelist wrote:
Best terran in the world is so clearly Mvp it is ridiculous. I don't know how many times the guy has to prove it. He can't even feel his mouse hand clicking anymore and he gave Innovation an absolute pounding. Mvp is really fucking good, and I respect anyone whos good, even more with a handicap like his wrists problem but this is pushing it. Seriously if he were best in the world he'd still be playing WCS KR. He's clearly top tier along with Innovation and Flash, but "Best terran in the world is so clearly Mvp it is ridiculous." is ridiculous. hes clearly not top tier though Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 14:17 Exarl25 wrote:On June 09 2013 14:11 packrat386 wrote:On June 09 2013 14:07 KelsierSC wrote:On June 09 2013 14:02 1Dhalism wrote:
people seemed to forget that the twat who introduced the elephant theory didnt write the obvious "given enough time really talented BW players will be really good at SC2." He wrote "SC2 players are shit."
It's very offensive. Yeh I don't think he directly said that, but it was a horribly written offensive article that was very selective with the evidence and was based on ignorance of the brood war scene MC was thrown into PL games early because he had amazing potential Fruit dealer was getting PL time and was a really good BW player let's just never bring up that article again and hopefully in a few years people will create threads wondering where the term "elephant" came from I think the article was quite well written. You might disagree with the argument that it lays out (I do too) but the article itself was a good piece of writing. I also have no idea why people find it offensive, basically everything he said about peoples past and motivations were true, its just the predictions that are still in question. Still in question? They have been completely debunked. People don't seem to get that the article wasn't just saying Kespa players will be really good at SC2, that was never up for debate. He claimed that within a few months of their switch they would be completely dominant and SC2 competition up until that happens is, in his own words, a farce. Do you remember what the Kespa players looked like after 3 months? Dominant? They were barely competitive. Even now, over a year in, ESF players still put up a fight. The article was wrong, completely wrong, and that's the end of it. he wasnt able to fully realise how small the skill ceiling was, whats his fault? do you remember what the kespa players looked like? they always had a positive record, lol barely competetive. putting up what fight? Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 14:06 Evangelist wrote:On June 09 2013 14:03 Wildmoon wrote:On June 09 2013 14:03 terapika wrote:On June 09 2013 14:00 packrat386 wrote:On June 09 2013 13:59 terapika wrote:
i hope u guys didn't really think a code B could take out a code s finalist You came to the wrong neighborhood dude. mvp has won more SC2 tournaments than bogus has even played in to this point. Anyone who had any idea what was going on knew that this was going to be a really close series. You mean when kespa were still playing bw You are disgusting... Nah he's just embarassed that his Kespa hero struggled like mad to make it past a guy with RSI so bad he can't feel his mouse hand clicking. I'd be embarassed too. This is coming from a guy who actually welcomed Kespa into the scene but gravely dislikes the BW fanbois and retarded elephant bs. Mvp is still the best terran player in the world. Nothing I saw in that series dissuades me from that. kespa 24-5 in this tournament.
Holy shit dat KesPA stat....
On a similar vein I would love to see the win rates of KesPA players against esF players. Something I am too lazy to do myself 
It's crazy how good KeSPA is doing, I was one of the people (despite being a fucking TBLS fanatic) that doubted if KesPA could do better than esF.
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On June 09 2013 15:53 Partha wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 15:51 Ichabod wrote:On June 09 2013 15:47 thefreed wrote:On June 09 2013 15:38 edgeOut wrote:On June 09 2013 15:34 Partha wrote:On June 09 2013 15:31 Kentredenite wrote:On June 09 2013 15:20 Partha wrote:On June 09 2013 15:19 DustbinBieber wrote:On June 09 2013 15:16 Wegandi wrote:On June 09 2013 15:08 dsousa wrote:
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I agree its odd. We all think of these guys as super smart, but not a one can do an interview in English.
Look at Dimaga, TLO and Stephano. They all had a different first language than English, but they all can also do English interviews without problem.
That's because French and German are very close to English. They share the same lineage, whereas Korean does not. Not entirely true. We share the same Alphabet, but you're quoting 3 languages with different roots here. Regardless, it's true that the whole 'european' melting-pot of the past two milleniums has brought things together. Would have been better to compare French with Spanish and Italian though. I've always wondered about this- because i've assumed the link between the European languages were stronger than the root between Asian languages. However having said this- old Chinese script serves as major foundation for the 3 major Eastern languages (Chinese, Korean and Japanese). The Chinese script doesn't serve as the foundation for anything; it's just the way things are (sometimes) written. Japanese is as unrelated linguistically to Chinese as Finnish is to Swedish, There are a lot of Chinese loanwords and the writing system is ultimately derived from Chinese characters, but base vocabulary, grammar, etc. are a lot different. Korean is similarly considered part of a completely different language family. That said, I think the main reason why Koreans (and other East Asians) aren't as good at English as Europeans is really the level of exposure they get to media with native English speakers. Things like American movies, English-language video games, etc. Even going on English-language forums to talk about these things. I might be presuming a bit much, but English skill in European countries seems to correlate with how much native media that country consumes -- the French, who seem to be generally English-averse, and the Germans, who dub everything are on the lower end, while Scandinavians seem to have the best English. Koreans mostly play Korean games, watch Korean shows/movies, etc. And sometimes Japanese. Compare it to how good an American's Spanish would be, or an Englishman's French. Ugh me being a hypocrite. If you understood any Korean vocab (Which I do fortunately) then you would know that many many Chinese words were used as a basis or in some cases the exact same word. If you look at King SaeJyong (The creator of the Korean language) and his works he specifically cites the old Chinese script as a basis upon which the Korean language was created. Please know what you talk about before you talk bro Yes, I think Korean is a language created on purpose to replace Chinese as their official language. And they still use a lot of Chinese words and idioms for posters and art work etc, even young kids can understand them. I am not sure dude... Yeah a lot of people still use Chinese language for things sometimes. But it's like it depends on the person. If they can read it or not. Do most koreans only learn as much hanja as is needed in school (if any), and then forget it when it's not used much in real life? Yes most Koreans do in fact lose the ability to read and write Hanja as they age. It just loses its practical value beyond knowledge, some complex words that only exist in Hanja (these are usually one words that describe a phrase/context). However you will find that 90% of Koreans know how to write their name in Han-ja.
Hanja is basically Nynorsk in Norwegian then. (just creating a way to relate to it, is all)
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Finals on yet? And why are there no maps in the OP?
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Finals in 7 minutes??? FUUU I have to go!
I'm guessing -> hide spoilers = check -> get off TL -> GO -> come back
-> see innovation have second title denied to him
q_q ?
cya guys later
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On June 09 2013 15:52 JP Dayne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 15:51 aNGryaRchon wrote:
So we are talking about language here now? you wanna talk about the KPOP playing on OGN stream?
i wanna talk about practice
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On June 09 2013 15:56 Incognoto wrote:
Finals in 7 minutes??? FUUU I have to go!
I'm guessing -> hide spoilers = check -> get off TL -> GO -> come back
-> see innovation have second title denied to him
q_q ?
cya guys later
Good day to you Sir
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On June 09 2013 15:54 grindC wrote:
I think the thing about Koreans not speaking English is sometimes more of a confidence issue, rather than their inability to use English. Maybe they feel like they can't bring their point across in English well enough?
I don't think so... it all depends on the Korean though.
It's just like how much do the normal koreans have to use their english at all, or like see it being used somewhere. Not as much as some other countries I am sure.
And most koreans can understand some english. But their understanding will be quite bad, and they wouldn't be able to put their point across.
It's different being able to read some english, and you know being fluent in a language.
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On June 09 2013 15:56 Partha wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 15:55 Veroleg wrote:On June 09 2013 14:07 jalstar wrote:On June 09 2013 14:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 09 2013 13:58 Evangelist wrote:
Best terran in the world is so clearly Mvp it is ridiculous. I don't know how many times the guy has to prove it. He can't even feel his mouse hand clicking anymore and he gave Innovation an absolute pounding. Mvp is really fucking good, and I respect anyone whos good, even more with a handicap like his wrists problem but this is pushing it. Seriously if he were best in the world he'd still be playing WCS KR. He's clearly top tier along with Innovation and Flash, but "Best terran in the world is so clearly Mvp it is ridiculous." is ridiculous. hes clearly not top tier though On June 09 2013 14:17 Exarl25 wrote:On June 09 2013 14:11 packrat386 wrote:On June 09 2013 14:07 KelsierSC wrote:On June 09 2013 14:02 1Dhalism wrote:
people seemed to forget that the twat who introduced the elephant theory didnt write the obvious "given enough time really talented BW players will be really good at SC2." He wrote "SC2 players are shit."
It's very offensive. Yeh I don't think he directly said that, but it was a horribly written offensive article that was very selective with the evidence and was based on ignorance of the brood war scene MC was thrown into PL games early because he had amazing potential Fruit dealer was getting PL time and was a really good BW player let's just never bring up that article again and hopefully in a few years people will create threads wondering where the term "elephant" came from I think the article was quite well written. You might disagree with the argument that it lays out (I do too) but the article itself was a good piece of writing. I also have no idea why people find it offensive, basically everything he said about peoples past and motivations were true, its just the predictions that are still in question. Still in question? They have been completely debunked. People don't seem to get that the article wasn't just saying Kespa players will be really good at SC2, that was never up for debate. He claimed that within a few months of their switch they would be completely dominant and SC2 competition up until that happens is, in his own words, a farce. Do you remember what the Kespa players looked like after 3 months? Dominant? They were barely competitive. Even now, over a year in, ESF players still put up a fight. The article was wrong, completely wrong, and that's the end of it. he wasnt able to fully realise how small the skill ceiling was, whats his fault? do you remember what the kespa players looked like? they always had a positive record, lol barely competetive. putting up what fight? On June 09 2013 14:06 Evangelist wrote:On June 09 2013 14:03 Wildmoon wrote:On June 09 2013 14:03 terapika wrote:On June 09 2013 14:00 packrat386 wrote:On June 09 2013 13:59 terapika wrote:
i hope u guys didn't really think a code B could take out a code s finalist You came to the wrong neighborhood dude. mvp has won more SC2 tournaments than bogus has even played in to this point. Anyone who had any idea what was going on knew that this was going to be a really close series. You mean when kespa were still playing bw You are disgusting... Nah he's just embarassed that his Kespa hero struggled like mad to make it past a guy with RSI so bad he can't feel his mouse hand clicking. I'd be embarassed too. This is coming from a guy who actually welcomed Kespa into the scene but gravely dislikes the BW fanbois and retarded elephant bs. Mvp is still the best terran player in the world. Nothing I saw in that series dissuades me from that. kespa 24-5 in this tournament. Holy shit dat KesPA stat.... On a similar vein I would love to see the win rates of KesPA players against esF players. Something I am too lazy to do myself It's crazy how good KeSPA is doing, I was one of the people (despite being a fucking TBLS fanatic) that doubted if KesPA could do better than esF.
I think TBLS fanatics are more likely to doubt KeSPA since the TBLS didn't transfer over that well imo. Only Flash looking like Championship material out of them
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Poll: Who will be the Champion of WCS season 1?INnoVation (12) 55% sOs (10) 45% 22 total votes Your vote: Who will be the Champion of WCS season 1? (Vote): INnoVation
(Vote): sOs
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I'm sad Mvp lost, but I'm glad Innovation is playing sOs
Think it'll make a better finals.. Especially considering what Mvp said last night about his disadvantage due to injury against protoss especially due to double clicking quickly.
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On June 09 2013 15:56 6NR wrote:
Finals on yet? And why are there no maps in the OP?
Finals in a couple minutes (16:00 KR).
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Finals coming.
Can sOs win and prove that Soulkey lost to him had a reason? Like I will win this tournament or you will win this tournament?
Or can Innovation show his TvP is really good and show that all his matchups in a great level?
Or can Woongjin own the World?
See in 1 min.
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On June 09 2013 15:51 Namenlos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 15:49 woody60707 wrote:On June 09 2013 15:42 YourHarry wrote:
In vegas: a lot of money being wagered on sOs. Innovation payout moved from 1.25 to 1.67 in the last hour or so. Link, where can I bet real money on SC2? My post right below his.
lol I can't find his post now...
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Can someone else do LR for the finals (shellshock?) I'm pretty tired.
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This song is good. goood girl, baad giirl ~
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On June 09 2013 15:59 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 15:51 Namenlos wrote:On June 09 2013 15:49 woody60707 wrote:On June 09 2013 15:42 YourHarry wrote:
In vegas: a lot of money being wagered on sOs. Innovation payout moved from 1.25 to 1.67 in the last hour or so. Link, where can I bet real money on SC2? My post right below his. lol I can't find his post now...
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On June 09 2013 15:58 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 15:52 JP Dayne wrote:On June 09 2013 15:51 aNGryaRchon wrote:
So we are talking about language here now? you wanna talk about the KPOP playing on OGN stream? i wanna talk about practice
Man... Man... we're talking about practice.
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