EPT[WCS AM] Finals Day 2 Premier Season 1 2013 - Page 120
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khellian
Korea (South)922 Posts
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izen
Sweden136 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3775 Posts
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Fleuria
England466 Posts
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Guileful
Kazakhstan137 Posts
On June 03 2013 20:48 Fleuria wrote: So 12 koreans and 4 Euros going to WCS S1 finals, kinda funny. Classic BW situation | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On June 03 2013 20:48 Fleuria wrote: So 12 koreans and 4 Euros going to WCS S1 finals, kinda funny. I only count 3 Europeans; Stephano, Dimaga and TLO, unless I’m missing something? Also if I could be cynical for a second even if all 10 slots from AM and EU were filled by foreigners odds are the only way any could make the semi’s is if there were some Korean ‘teamkills’. Not to also mention that if that had been the case no doubt there would’ve been hoards of people with their pitchforks spouting something along the lines of, “I want to see the best players in the world, and 60% of the player pool are foreigner scrubs who are guaranteed to be eliminated” or some other similar bullshit. The way he’s been playing lately, I’d say Stephano actually does stand a good shot at a semi position, in the EU RO8 it seemed he’d finally found his previous form, not quite up to his winning days of WoL but he’s back. Dimaga could make it to the RO8 if he gets his strongest MU in the RO 16. His EU run was so impressive, yet he was beat so convincingly by MVP in the semi’s :\ TLO, I just don’t know, there’s absolutely no way to predict how he’ll perform, so I’ll just sit back and enjoy the show. | ||
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Chaser808
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Oddball28
Denmark2121 Posts
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
A Korean wins WCS Europe. What's the point? Liked the format last WCS season much better. Clearly the viewer numbers support the statement, that this is a bad idea. If they continue like this, no one will care about WCS soon. Europe finals should be European residents only, America finals American residents only, Asia finals Asian residents only. Thats a proofen format. Though I love Korean SC2/BW, no one wants to see Koreans win anything, we want to cheer for our nations' representatives. That's btw also the reason why TSL 1 - 3 had foreigners only, which was a pretty good idea and probably why TSLs were such a success. | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On June 03 2013 23:38 Caladan wrote: Europe finals should be European residents only, America finals American residents only, Asia finals Asian residents only. Thats a proofen format. Though I love Korean SC2/BW, no one wants to see Koreans win anything, we want to cheer for our nations' representatives. That's btw also the reason why TSL 1 - 3 had foreigners only, which was a pretty good idea and probably why TSLs were such a success. i dno man, not everyone agrees with that. | ||
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Oddball28
Denmark2121 Posts
On June 03 2013 23:38 Caladan wrote: A Korean wins WCS America. A Korean wins WCS Europe. What's the point? Liked the format last WCS season much better. Clearly the viewer numbers support the statement, that this is a bad idea. If they continue like this, no one will care about WCS soon. Europe finals should be European residents only, America finals American residents only, Asia finals Asian residents only. Thats a proofen format. No one wants to see Koreans win anything, we want to cheer for our nations. That's btw also the reason why TSL 1 - 3 had foreigners only. So what you basically want is to build some sort of false hope? If the American qualifiers and the European qualifiers only consist of europeans, we get 1-2 good Europeans to the seasonal finals, and then 10 other players who will get utterly smashed by koreans. This way, we get the best possible canditates and the best possible games. This game is about skill, it's not about where you come from, or what kind of country you live in. It's about being the best at what you do, and mixing it with your silly patriotic feelings, will not achieve us anything, other than sending people to a seasonal finale only to get absolutely torn apart. No, this was perfect. WCS Korea was god damn good this season, ESL showed that they can make proper production quality for WCS Europe, and it was a succesfull event with lots of good games. WCS America is just not comparable to the other qualifiers in term of production quality. Part of this lies with the team behind WCS America. What will happen next season? Well people will properly figured out that out of the 3 qualifiers, the american looks the weakest, and naturally more koreans will select it, and the games will be better. I just can't fathom, that you would want to watch americans duke it out, when you could have the best possible games the other way. But oh well.. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On June 03 2013 21:19 Greendotz wrote: I only count 3 Europeans; Stephano, Dimaga and TLO, unless I’m missing something? Also if I could be cynical for a second even if all 10 slots from AM and EU were filled by foreigners odds are the only way any could make the semi’s is if there were some Korean ‘teamkills’. Not to also mention that if that had been the case no doubt there would’ve been hoards of people with their pitchforks spouting something along the lines of, “I want to see the best players in the world, and 60% of the player pool are foreigner scrubs who are guaranteed to be eliminated” or some other similar bullshit. The way he’s been playing lately, I’d say Stephano actually does stand a good shot at a semi position, in the EU RO8 it seemed he’d finally found his previous form, not quite up to his winning days of WoL but he’s back. Dimaga could make it to the RO8 if he gets his strongest MU in the RO 16. His EU run was so impressive, yet he was beat so convincingly by MVP in the semi’s :\ TLO, I just don’t know, there’s absolutely no way to predict how he’ll perform, so I’ll just sit back and enjoy the show. TLO could do well if he abuses swarm hosts properly, and I say this as a compliment, since I think it's impressive the way he manages to find unique approaches to the game that can catch others off-guard. Dimaga has no chance though. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I don't care for foreigners particularly, I like to cheer players who have, through stream or even TL post, taught me something about the game. Snute and Idra come to mind. | ||
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
Also even if some "weaker" Americans/Europeans would travel to world finals: Upsets can always happen! Upsets are one of the greatest things to watch in SC2 and are great for entertainment. I don't think any tournament in America/Europe can hold itself if only Koreans play and only Koreans win. Viewer numbers will drop, sponsors will drop, tournament will eventually die. We need to push the foreign esports scene, else we get the situation like in SC/BW again, only SC2 is not even as popular in Korea as SC/BW was. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Everyone has different reasons to like players. Hard to believe I know. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On June 03 2013 23:50 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Shoutcraft America proved that people won't watch if it's just Americans. I don't know what to solution is to this problem but it's not going away and there's not a clear answer. Better players solves the problem actually. Not to slight how hard they try--effort definitely counts. But getting wins off of Koreans will solve that problem. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
On June 03 2013 23:48 Oddball28 wrote: So what you basically want is to build some sort of false hope? If the American qualifiers and the European qualifiers only consist of europeans, we get 1-2 good Europeans to the seasonal finals, and then 10 other players who will get utterly smashed by koreans. This way, we get the best possible canditates and the best possible games. This game is about skill, it's not about where you come from, or what kind of country you live in. It's about being the best at what you do, and mixing it with your silly patriotic feelings, will not achieve us anything, other than sending people to a seasonal finale only to get absolutely torn apart. No, this was perfect. WCS Korea was god damn good this season, ESL showed that they can make proper production quality for WCS Europe, and it was a succesfull event with lots of good games. WCS America is just not comparable to the other qualifiers in term of production quality. Part of this lies with the team behind WCS America. What will happen next season? Well people will properly figured out that out of the 3 qualifiers, the american looks the weakest, and naturally more koreans will select it, and the games will be better. I just can't fathom, that you would want to watch americans duke it out, when you could have the best possible games the other way. But oh well.. Honestly, I think there is a balance that would work. It is obvious that representation should be disproportionate, with how things are now should be more Koreans, than Europeans, than Americans. But to have NO American players at all, not even 1 somehow seeded in, is a bit disappointing in a global league. I think of the Olympics, where all countries get to send some representation as long as some minimum qualifying standard is met. I'm not suggesting that they give seeds to 8 American players, but one? Perhaps there should be some feature to this where there is a residence only qualifier with only one spot for all regions to ensure that you get just one into the final bracket. If you want another example, I think of a sport like the NCAA college basketball tournament. The ACC and Big East usually get 7-10 teams into the tournament-usually the best overall conference, but all the conference winners, no matter how small the school or the conference get 1 bid into the tournament. Without that opportunity Florida Gulf Coast doesn't get into the NCAA tournament and it was maybe the best sports story of the year. Providing those opportunities, especially for an underdog can great an extra storyline without ruining the integrity of the tournament by over seeding players that don't deserve it. More than likely the American seed loses in the first round, but if they don't and win a few games knocking out some players all the sudden it becomes a bit more exciting to watch an underdog player as they move through the tournament. | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On June 03 2013 23:56 Caladan wrote: Well, everyone has his own opinions but from an ESPORTS point of view, more viewer entertainment leads to more ESPORTS growth. Players like to cheer for their own teams and players, as you can see in soccer, basketball, tennis, etc, all the popular sports... hardly a billion people would tune in for a soccer world championship if 32 korean teams would play against each other, even if they were superior? Also even if some "weaker" Americans/Europeans would travel to world finals: Upsets can always happen! Upsets are one of the greatest things to watch in SC2 and are great for entertainment. I don't think any tournament in America/Europe can hold itself if only Koreans play and only Koreans win. Viewer numbers will drop, sponsors will drop, tournament will eventually die. We need to push the foreign esports scene, else we get the situation like in SC/BW again, only SC2 is not even as popular in Korea as SC/BW was. But not all the teams are Korean. | ||
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