EPT[WCS AM] RO16 Day 2 Challenger Season 1 2013 - Page 11
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Shellshock
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Bagration
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On May 31 2013 08:40 miked4o7 wrote: I don't think it's that bad of a thing to do. It's in the best interest of the viewers to have the game played, but it's not fair to a player to make them wait forever for it if that player showed up at the right time and the other didn't. This is the only fair way to have a shot at the game being played still without asking anything unreasonable of theognis Well, that's what an admin is for. Having the opposing player decide is bad because it is a huge conflict of interest. | ||
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sitromit
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Greendotz
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DeathProfessor
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SCST
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mikkmagro
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StreaK
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On May 31 2013 08:44 sitromit wrote: WTF? No one had his number to call and wake him up? He's a big boy, you'd think he could set an alarm all by himself ¬_¬ Besides we don't actually know the reason for the no-show (do we?) could be family issues or something, | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 31 2013 08:46 mikkmagro wrote: Third walkover in WCS America... Actually, the first dozen or so was allowing Koreans to play here  It's really like the 13th or 14th walkover lol + Show Spoiler + I kid of course | ||
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miked4o7
United States33 Posts
On May 31 2013 08:43 Bagration wrote: Well, that's what an admin is for. Having the opposing player decide is bad because it is a huge conflict of interest. I don't know... it doesn't seem that bad to me. Especially since there could be two very different cases depending on theognis' personal schedule. If theognis was like "I have all night free, as long as he shows up before the end of the broadcast I wouldn't mind playing", then possibly getting that game for us to watch would still have been nice. On the other hand if theognis was like "I'm sorry, but the match was scheduled for ~7, and I have to be somewhere at 9, so I need to take the forfeit", then that's the way it would be. I think that would be preferable to a strict rule where MLG disqualifies Sen 15 minutes after the scheduled time *if* we could have had a chance at actually seeing the game later in the night as long as it didn't conflict with theongis' schedule. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
0:00  viOLet spawns in the bottom right MajOr spawns in the top left | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On May 31 2013 08:49 miked4o7 wrote: I don't know... it doesn't seem that bad to me. Especially since there could be two very different cases depending on theognis' personal schedule. If theognis was like "I have all night free, as long as he shows up before the end of the broadcast I wouldn't mind playing", then possibly getting that game for us to watch would still have been nice. On the other hand if theognis was like "I'm sorry, but the match was scheduled for ~7, and I have to be somewhere at 9, so I need to take the forfeit", then that's the way it would be. I think that would be preferable to a strict rule where MLG disqualifies Sen 15 minutes after the scheduled time *if* we could have had a chance at actually seeing the game later in the night as long as it didn't conflict with theongis' schedule. I think it's better to just have a set of rules and follow them. When you add in all that conditional stuff then you start getting the stupid drama. | ||
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Thrillz
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SCST
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On May 31 2013 08:49 miked4o7 wrote: I don't know... it doesn't seem that bad to me. Especially since there could be two very different cases depending on theognis' personal schedule. If theognis was like "I have all night free, as long as he shows up before the end of the broadcast I wouldn't mind playing", then possibly getting that game for us to watch would still have been nice. On the other hand if theognis was like "I'm sorry, but the match was scheduled for ~7, and I have to be somewhere at 9, so I need to take the forfeit", then that's the way it would be. I think that would be preferable to a strict rule where MLG disqualifies Sen 15 minutes after the scheduled time *if* we could have had a chance at actually seeing the game later in the night as long as it didn't conflict with theongis' schedule. Problem is you're asking Theognis to put literally thousands of dollars on the line in order to be courteous to Sen. Not really fair at all, as he may want to be a "nice guy" but he may also want to have money to eat as well. It's like dangling $2,500 in front of his face and saying "all you have to do is be an asshole to your opponent and DQ him!" . . . yeah, not cool. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On May 31 2013 08:49 miked4o7 wrote: I don't know... it doesn't seem that bad to me. Especially since there could be two very different cases depending on theognis' personal schedule. If theognis was like "I have all night free, as long as he shows up before the end of the broadcast I wouldn't mind playing", then possibly getting that game for us to watch would still have been nice. On the other hand if theognis was like "I'm sorry, but the match was scheduled for ~7, and I have to be somewhere at 9, so I need to take the forfeit", then that's the way it would be. I think that would be preferable to a strict rule where MLG disqualifies Sen 15 minutes after the scheduled time *if* we could have had a chance at actually seeing the game later in the night as long as it didn't conflict with theongis' schedule. The idea behind conflict of interest is to prevent people who stand to gain or lose from a decision from making said decision, since there is a huge potential for bias. Sometimes having a conflict of interest can even be illegal in severe cases. Now of course, our situation is much less severe, but it would be unprofessional for the players to decide whether their opponent is DQ'ed. These situations are why we have admins, so that we could have an official making decisions who don't have any conflicts of interest. | ||
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templar rage
United States2509 Posts
On May 31 2013 08:51 Shellshock1122 wrote: I think it's better to just have a set of rules and follow them. When you add in all that conditional stuff then you start getting the stupid drama. Pretty much this. When you start having anything more complex than "be here at this time +/- 15 minutes or you're DQ'd", you end up with way more drama than there should be. It's a regrettable situation, but it's way worse when you start ignoring/bending the rules (see basically every situation that occured this season) | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On May 31 2013 08:50 Shellshock1122 wrote: 0:00 viOLet spawns in the bottom right MajOr spawns in the top left2:00 hatch first for viOLet CC first on the high ground for MajOr pool for viOLet rax for MajOr 3:00 gas for MajOr gas for viOLet 4:00 bunker in the natural for MajOr Factory for Major ling speed for vioLet reactor for MajOr 5:00 MajOr takes his natural reactored hellion production started for MajOr 3rd CC for MajOr | ||
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Iodem
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But why have Violet play if he can't come to America for the live parts of Premier League? :S | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 31 2013 08:52 SCST wrote: Problem is you're asking Theognis to put literally thousands of dollars on the line in order to be courteous to Sen. Not really fair at all, as he may want to be a "nice guy" but he may also want to have money to eat as well. It's like dangling $2,500 in front of his face and saying "all you have to do is be an asshole to your opponent and DQ him!" . . . yeah, not cool. Its always better to have set rules. You can actually discuss set rules. Casual "wait for him a bit longer" kind of shenanigans are great among friends, and even okay in small competitions. But with this much money and publicity on the line you need to have set boundaries. | ||
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