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* = ace. Last player on team can be chosen from the entire lineup, even if the player was eliminated before.
** = revive. Twice per season a team can revive a player that already was eliminated.
Thursday, May 30 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hZv5sbf.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kd6ZShS.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2qbGzvc.png) mousesports and Team Acer are lost in the middle part of the standings table! Can mousesports recover from recent losses or will Team Acer extend their small winning streak? HeRoMaRinE <Whirlwind LE>  Bly<Neo Planet S LE> <Ohana LE> <Belshir Vestige LE> <ESL Star Station> <Akilon Wastes> <Clound Kingdom LE> <Newkirk Precinct> <Daybreak LE>
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* = ace. Last player on team can be chosen from the entire lineup, even if the player was eliminated before.
** = revive. Twice per season a team can revive a player that already was eliminated.
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Poll: Head?Karont3 (17) 59% Team Liquid (12) 41% 29 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): Team Liquid
(Vote): Karont3
Poll: Heart?Team Liquid (16) 50% Karont3 (16) 50% 32 total votes Your vote: Heart? (Vote): Team Liquid
(Vote): Karont3
Poll: Head?mousesports (14) 61% Team Acer (9) 39% 23 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): mousesports
(Vote): Team Acer
Poll: Heart?mousesports (13) 50% Team Acer (13) 50% 26 total votes Your vote: Heart? (Vote): mousesports
(Vote): Team Acer
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It seems like the title is wrong, isn't it liquid vs Karont3 and Acer Vs Mousesports?
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United States97276 Posts
TL slumping in ATC. Lucifron3 will win
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TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today  ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC
I guess this has something to do with the finals.
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On May 30 2013 19:21 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC I guess this has something to do with the finals.
AND HSC!! I read on FaceBook, that he was planing a lot these days ;D
So I think, the ATC finals and HSC will be at the same time, thats gonna be a pretty big thing!! A huge tournament
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-1 style points for Karont3 forcing another ZvZ upon us
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Austria24422 Posts
I hope HerO gets to play, I don't like him posting sad things on twitter. I do think he'd sweep K3.
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On May 30 2013 22:37 AndaGalant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 19:21 SinCitta wrote:TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC I guess this has something to do with the finals. AND HSC!! I read on FaceBook, that he was planing a lot these days ;D So I think, the ATC finals and HSC will be at the same time, thats gonna be a pretty big thing!! A huge tournament
that would be nice
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Ret has a pretty decent ZvZ.
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Will TL win today without HerO or Taeja allkill?
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Wow, crazy game. Base race with invisible units.
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pretty amazing response from socke
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Haha, wow, what is this game.
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only watched the last part (watching without audio), seemed like a crazy game
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nide decision from socke!
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Awesome game by the Beard-Hero. :D
Responding to Swarmhost with DT's and no detection at all.
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What did i miss Socke playing for Karont3 ?
And Socke beating Ret ? What's going on in this world, why did i tune in.
NM i keep forgeting on how weird the rules are 
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Really good decision making by Socke. Not sure what Ret could have done differently.
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On May 30 2013 23:14 garbanzo wrote:
Really good decision making by Socke. Not sure what Ret could have done differently.
Make an overseer either per default or because the lair snipe seemed fishy.
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Amazing game by Socke!
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Wow, that timing by socke was intense and so awkward to play against I think. Poor Zenio.
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Ok, maybe I am wrong, but everytime I see a game from Zenio, it is so bad. I really dont remember good game from him in the last - idk - many months. Maybe few ZvZ's
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On May 30 2013 23:17 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 23:14 garbanzo wrote:
Really good decision making by Socke. Not sure what Ret could have done differently. Make an overseer either per default or because the lair snipe seemed fishy.
I agree that it was clever play by socke, but not taking stock of something like a single overseer when on 2 bases and your lair is dying is a mistake too, I agree with also
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Are they playing on EU or KR servers now ?
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Nathanias I love your casting !! so much knowledge !
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On May 30 2013 23:38 dreamseller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 23:17 SinCitta wrote:On May 30 2013 23:14 garbanzo wrote:
Really good decision making by Socke. Not sure what Ret could have done differently. Make an overseer either per default or because the lair snipe seemed fishy. I agree that it was clever play by socke, but not taking stock of something like a single overseer when on 2 bases and your lair is dying is a mistake too, I agree with also
Hmm...I'm not sure that the first thing that you would necessarily think of when losing your lair is to make an overseer. Especially if you want to try to save the minerals to get a hatchery. I don't know if it was necessarily fishy that the lair was sniped; it seemed more like that was the building that Socke could reach when he went past the swarm hosts.
Also, a single overseer wouldn't have helped since Socke could sacrifice all his stalkers to snipe it.
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That seems like a really random spot to put a proxy. I wonder what the rational behind that is.
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On May 30 2013 23:54 garbanzo wrote:
That seems like a really random spot to put a proxy. I wonder what the rational behind that is.
quite close and not that often checked spot?
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On May 31 2013 00:00 habeck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 23:54 garbanzo wrote:
That seems like a really random spot to put a proxy. I wonder what the rational behind that is. quite close and not that often checked spot?
A lot of people, but maybe not in PvP, put units there to spot army movement.
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Weird choice from Karont3 to go with vipro. It's been awhile since Hero's weakness was PvP and Luci's TvP is off the charts.
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Good opening by Lucifron.
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OMG Lucifron is playing this reaaally nicely.
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But not nice enough methinks. HerO got most of his tech up and double upgrades. Luci would've had to kill him by now.
Edit: I think HerO got this.
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ehhh why no kite from lucifron?
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HerO will die if he got no observers
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
What is it with Protoss recently not getting enough observers to deal with ghosts.
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with decent ghost control, protoss army should be annihilated!
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Protoss is clearly imba in PvT :D
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This game clearly displays why terrans pull their scvs before storm, late game TvP is really impossible to play
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Haha, what a champ he is 
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Austria24422 Posts
Ghost/Viking is too strong
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Seeing LucifroN in ATC makes me sad he doesn't represent Europe in WCS season finals :|
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On May 31 2013 00:34 imallinson wrote:
What is it with Protoss recently not getting enough observers to deal with ghosts.
I feel like each time the obs are killed !
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Canada16217 Posts
man that composition is so hard to deal with.
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On May 31 2013 00:34 imallinson wrote:
What is it with Protoss recently not getting enough observers to deal with ghosts.
Luci had something like 6 CCs. He can permanently scan and kill observers. That's why Ghost/viking is so ridiculously strong, protoss detection is terrible against it
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YOU SEE MARINEKING ? YOU SEE ?
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On May 31 2013 00:37 Nebuchad wrote:
This game clearly displays why terrans pull their scvs before storm, late game TvP is really impossible to play
I feel like scv pull is more the process of thinking like "ok i can kill him now" and often being proved wrong ^^
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An absolute travesty that Lucifron didn't manage to get top 5 in the WCS EU. Don't know if he got nervous or what, but he is so, so good.
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Just dropped by to say HerO vs Lucifron was a crazy good game, great defense from HerO into taking a lead and the cloaked ghost pushed of Lucifron that ended the game.
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On May 31 2013 00:37 HonorZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 00:34 imallinson wrote:
What is it with Protoss recently not getting enough observers to deal with ghosts. I feel like each time the obs are killed !
Yeah but Protoss only ever seem to have one with their army and always in a really easily snipable position. Just noticed it a lot the past week or so.
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On May 31 2013 00:37 Nebuchad wrote:
This game clearly displays why terrans pull their scvs before storm, late game TvP is really impossible to play
rly ? how can protoss counter 20 ghosts ? is balance i think in late game . hero took bad engagement and never fought with a maxed out army even when main battles were going on , hero was warping constantly @ 4 a clock base .
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Fuck, that didn't go as I hoped.
Nice opening by Luci, but HerO lost it when he couldn't deal with all the Ghosts..
I hate how much better scan/snipe is than obs/feedback. 15 Ghosts can walk through a storm no problem, but if you stack up HT's like that all it takes is one EMP and they're useless.
Edit: I think HerO was trying to set up a Cannon wall in the middle, as that is far more reliable than obs vs like 6 OC+Vikings..
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On May 31 2013 00:37 Nebuchad wrote:
This game clearly displays why terrans pull their scvs before storm, late game TvP is really impossible to play
I'll presume that was sarcasm, because we clearly weren't watching the same game.
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Austria24422 Posts
What do you guys think about a feedback range buff to counter this?
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Isn't this like the 3rd game HerO lost recently to ghosts because of lack of obs??
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On May 31 2013 00:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What do you guys think about a feedback range buff to counter this?
22 seems fine. Opinion ?
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Rematch motherfuckers. Hopefully lag doesn't cripple HerO too much.
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On May 31 2013 00:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What do you guys think about a feedback range buff to counter this?
I prefer a lil speed boost for the ht's!
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2more minutes and HerO gets up the cannon wall to win the game
daybreak,,,, sigh
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On May 31 2013 00:41 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 00:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What do you guys think about a feedback range buff to counter this? 22 seems fine. Opinion ?
LOL, try dropping me now suckers :D
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Protoss could really use some mobile ground detection.. Feedback range buff would be extremely helpful, but I'm not sure if that's the right direction to take.
Edit: Rematch! Bo2!
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Sending out HerO again would be bad, if HerO wants to play another macro game. HerO will only win if he does a 1-2 bases all-in.
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On May 31 2013 00:42 ibo422 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 00:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What do you guys think about a feedback range buff to counter this? I prefer a lil speed boost for the ht's!
Maybe an amulet of some kind
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On May 31 2013 00:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What do you guys think about a feedback range buff to counter this?
Vipers disagree.
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On May 31 2013 00:43 MosART wrote:
Sending out HerO again would be bad, if HerO wants to play another macro game. HerO will only win if he does a 1-2 bases all-in.
HerO played fucking insanely well last game, it's just Ghost/Viking doesn't care about playing well :/
On May 31 2013 00:45 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 00:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What do you guys think about a feedback range buff to counter this? Vipers disagree.
Oh, that's true...
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Indeed!
Btw, where are the recommend games polls?! Lucifron played a flawless game and that game should be seen by everyone!
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Luci's build is really cool ! two rax reapers yay !
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On May 31 2013 00:45 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 00:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What do you guys think about a feedback range buff to counter this? Vipers disagree.
Honestly though, Vipers are countered too hard by HT, imo.
They should've have some kind of shield vs feedback. Maybe an immunity to spells for a duration.
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Austria24422 Posts
GREAT response by HerO with that nexus before gates
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They should've sent out TLO. Would be a nice rematch.
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On May 31 2013 00:47 Dauntless wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 00:45 Boucot wrote:On May 31 2013 00:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What do you guys think about a feedback range buff to counter this? Vipers disagree. Honestly though, Vipers are countered too hard by HT, imo. They should've have some kind of shield vs feedback. Maybe an immunity to spells for a duration.
Lol, that would be imbalanced as hell
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On May 31 2013 00:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 00:47 Dauntless wrote:On May 31 2013 00:45 Boucot wrote:On May 31 2013 00:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:
What do you guys think about a feedback range buff to counter this? Vipers disagree. Honestly though, Vipers are countered too hard by HT, imo. They should've have some kind of shield vs feedback. Maybe an immunity to spells for a duration. Lol, that would be imbalanced as hell
Maybe^^ I just don't like when things are too black and white like it is now. Either you get feedbacks off, Vipers die, you save your Colossi and win the game OR you don't get feedbacks off, Vipers abduct all Colossi and you lose the game.
I'd like it to be a bit more nuanced, and wouldn't mind if the Viper got some kind of defense vs feedbacks. If it means them surviving, but get their energy drained, that would be nice.
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this is a cool build by hero
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On May 31 2013 00:46 ibo422 wrote:
Indeed!
Btw, where are the recommend games polls?! Lucifron played a flawless game and that game should be seen by everyone!
You guys think it's appreciated? Yesterday's WCS EU recommended games polls have like 4 voters...
Or maybe only on a few select clanwars? For the finals there will be polls for sure.
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On May 31 2013 00:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:
this is a cool build by hero
Yay ! Great response to Lucifron's play ! I think it's almost the best you could gate
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Amazing play by HerO, and an insanely questionable decision by LucfroN to get the main, almost mined-out Nexus to half health instead of using the same time to kill the Templar Archives and Robotics Bay -_-
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Nice game from Lucifron and Hero, too bad these prolonged TvPs never seem to go in the terrans favor.
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These two are really evenly matched, but it's quite clear HerO will get the upper hand in this match
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I'm lagging all through the battles, the supply difference keeps changing and I don't see why, that's quite frustrating.
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On May 31 2013 00:59 Bagi wrote:
Nice game from Lucifron and Hero, too bad these prolonged TvPs never seem to go in the terrans favor.
I guess you didn't watch the game before this where LucifroN demolished HerO in a long macro game on Newkirk because of Ghosts and Vikings.
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On May 31 2013 00:54 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 00:46 ibo422 wrote:
Indeed!
Btw, where are the recommend games polls?! Lucifron played a flawless game and that game should be seen by everyone! You guys think it's appreciated? Yesterday's WCS EU recommended games polls have like 4 voters... Or maybe only on a few select clanwars? For the finals there will be polls for sure.
Ofcourse. I appreciate every work done. Dunno about yesterday as I couldn't watch anything with the usual twitch lag so I didn't even bothered watching it. But good games should get their polls imo. From this clan war, I would only recommend luci-hero games.
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HerO has so many problems against cloaked ghosts...
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GG Heroooooooooooo nice game
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Canada16217 Posts
nice game! good job HerO :D
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perfect timing for WCS, thanks :D
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Observers HerO.
Observers.
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HerO learns to make more than 3 obs this game---13.
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GG HerO!
He has to work on his play vs mass Ghost though..
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Interesting game that one. Loved LucifroN's opening and then HerO's response was awesome with some great blink micro and recall action. LucifroN fell apart a bit after that with some sub par play, before making a final stand with mass ghosts, but a nice game overall.
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Hahaha, Naruto just having lunch while casting 
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Bly is pretty much dead 
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Maybe the end of the losing streak for HeRoMaRinE ?
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Yes
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Good for him. 0-6 was very sad to see. :p
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Acer bringing out the big guns already for HeroMarine
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Very good ZvT we are having right here !
Well, HeroMarine not agressive enough with his drops, he let Scarlett go back after a nice start ! Still it was really close all game !
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Scarlett is too good. Incredible play.
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Don't think that was Scarlett playing, too few infestors.
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Good game, Heromarine! No shame losing to Scarlett.
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Scarlett is in so much troubles after loosing those 14 drones ... :O She probably gonna have some troubles maintaining control of the game.
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Scarlett's creep spreading ability is bonkers. Surely one of the best around.
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Lol I take back everything I said. She is owning dear god.
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Not, that it was deciding in this game, but this new IT-spam trick should be forbidden in the future, it is ridiculous.
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Finally he ggs after Scarlett just fooled around for 10mins.
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i thought wol is over and this is hots
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Quite possibly the most dull zerg play since Wol.
She is good no doubt but if all zvts were to go to this style (~again) i would never watch sc2 again
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BL/Infestor still has its uses.
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I guess Scarlett still felt behind from losing the drones and didn't want to engage...
Who would have thought that Illusion would have stayed on pure Marine/Marauder for 40 minutes.
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On May 30 2013 19:21 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC I guess this has something to do with the finals.
just tuned in.
so what was the big announcement?
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On May 31 2013 02:43 katzenman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 19:21 SinCitta wrote:TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC I guess this has something to do with the finals. just tuned in. so what was the big announcement?
Haven't heard anything about it yet.
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still no burrow for infestors!! -_-
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Scarlett is such a smart player, omg.
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She just takes games after games like fuck yeah I'm the fucking destroyer
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They didn't pay enough attention to the +2 lings destroying hOpe's drones, plus the run by later. Losing hatcheries that close isn't as big a deal as it's often made out to be (a 3rd base in close proximity to natural, that is).
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Smart, but so noncommittal. I wonder why she isn't recognizing that she can just a-move roll over her opponent.
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On May 31 2013 02:56 Ichabod wrote:
Smart, but so noncommittal. I wonder why she isn't recognizing that she can just a-move roll over her opponent.
If I was in her position, I wouldn't mind making my opponent sit on 2 bases and choose his own time to gg, while I have ultras and festors vs smaller supply roach/hydra. The lead only gets bigger At that late point, there would be no way to come back with enough mutas on 2 bases, and even burrowed blings wouldn't be able to swing a battle with ultras out.
Speaking of invisible Bling units..
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On May 31 2013 02:45 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 02:43 katzenman wrote:On May 30 2013 19:21 SinCitta wrote:TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC I guess this has something to do with the finals. just tuned in. so what was the big announcement? Haven't heard anything about it yet.
HOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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On May 31 2013 03:05 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 02:45 SinCitta wrote:On May 31 2013 02:43 katzenman wrote:On May 30 2013 19:21 SinCitta wrote:TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC I guess this has something to do with the finals. just tuned in. so what was the big announcement? Haven't heard anything about it yet. HOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Holy shit that is huge, Mouz just became easily the best EU team.
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On May 31 2013 03:05 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 02:45 SinCitta wrote:On May 31 2013 02:43 katzenman wrote:On May 30 2013 19:21 SinCitta wrote:TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC I guess this has something to do with the finals. just tuned in. so what was the big announcement? Haven't heard anything about it yet. HOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
YES!!!!!
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On May 31 2013 03:05 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 02:45 SinCitta wrote:On May 31 2013 02:43 katzenman wrote:On May 30 2013 19:21 SinCitta wrote:TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC I guess this has something to do with the finals. just tuned in. so what was the big announcement? Haven't heard anything about it yet. HOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
What. The. Actual. Fuck. O.O
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On May 31 2013 03:07 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:05 SinCitta wrote:On May 31 2013 02:45 SinCitta wrote:On May 31 2013 02:43 katzenman wrote:On May 30 2013 19:21 SinCitta wrote:TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC I guess this has something to do with the finals. just tuned in. so what was the big announcement? Haven't heard anything about it yet. HOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK What. The. Actual. Fuck. O.O
yeah O.O
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time for mouz to use their new ace, right?
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OMFG!! What a news!! Gratz mouz.. back to the glory days!!!
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Is that some sort of joke ?
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Time to send in Lucifron ^^
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So I guess this is a FF win for Liquid since K3 won't be able to compete?
or are lineups locked?
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On May 31 2013 03:16 zephiK wrote:
So I guess this is a FF win for Liquid since K3 won't be able to compete?
or are lineups locked?
TL vs K3 is already over
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I guess they can't play for mouz this season.
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well they cant play for karont3 either. so whats their situation in atc? they dont have enough players left to compete.
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There should be a rule saying a player can't compete in two teams during a season. I just guess, that is logic.
Btw very nice pick from mouz.
Edit : Ok Kaoru just said a player can't compete in two teams for 1 month.
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No MaNa two days in a row for mouz o_O
On May 31 2013 03:18 ppp wrote:
I guess they can't play for mouz this season.
The teams meet each other twice. They will probably play for mouz for the second round.
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On May 31 2013 03:22 ppp wrote:
There should be a rule saying a player can't compete in two teams during a season. I just guess, that is logic.
Btw very nice pick from mouz.
Edit : Ok Kaoru just said a player can't compete in two teams the same month.
Today is the 30th of May...
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On May 31 2013 03:26 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:22 ppp wrote:
There should be a rule saying a player can't compete in two teams during a season. I just guess, that is logic.
Btw very nice pick from mouz.
Edit : Ok Kaoru just said a player can't compete in two teams the same month. Today is the 30th of May...
I think by "a month" he meant "in a period of 30 days". :p
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On May 31 2013 03:06 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:05 SinCitta wrote:On May 31 2013 02:45 SinCitta wrote:On May 31 2013 02:43 katzenman wrote:On May 30 2013 19:21 SinCitta wrote:TaKeTV @TaKeTV 30m There will be a big announcement today ! #SC2 #TaKeTV #TaKe #ATC I guess this has something to do with the finals. just tuned in. so what was the big announcement? Haven't heard anything about it yet. HOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YES!!!!!
What What the the fuck fuck
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Tough luck for Socke, I guess, who played with K3 in ATC. Oh well. Let's see what will happen.
Also, nice one, Liquid! But please stop cutting it this close in the future. xD
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It would be fairest if LucifroN and VortiX played out this season half with Karont3.
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On May 31 2013 03:59 SinCitta wrote:
It would be fairest if LucifroN and VortiX played out this season half with Karont3.
and how do you explain that to the sponsors of mouz that they pay a lot of money to players that represent a different team with different sponsors?
.. cant imagine that
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Season half. That's one remaining game. Don't think sponsors are as much evil overlords as in other teams.
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On May 31 2013 04:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:59 SinCitta wrote:
It would be fairest if LucifroN and VortiX played out this season half with Karont3. and how do you explain that to the sponsors of mouz that they pay a lot of money to players that represent a different team with different sponsors? .. cant imagine that
Well its known before i guess.
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+ Show Spoiler +Holy crap! Lucifron and vortix with Mouz now! That is one stacked team they have now....
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so karont3 is closing its sc2 team. official announcement tomorrow
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