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On May 22 2013 01:59 Greendotz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:36 Ysellian wrote:
Viewer numbers have been rather low in all WCS tournaments. Too much Starcraft? Not sure if you're trying to get a rise out of people? EU premier league has been getting an average of 35,000 with peaks of 50,000 for games like Stephano V Grubby. NA numbers have been around 10,000 lower, but then EU has the advantage of a broadcast time that both EU and NA audiences can watch. Those numbers are low to you? If your argument is base of the fact that it's not pulling in the 80,000-120,000 LCS does, you're right, but then this is Starcraft, not LoL.
... How does one read this much into a single line of text? Last nights WCS AM was lower than usual, today GSL was on low side as well and WCS EU today is only 10k as well. It's just been strangely low, just wondering if this format isn't making people feel tired of starcraft.
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I dont think hasuobs is better then duckduck.. and qualifiers isnt about if EU holdz anymore.. EU proved themselves allready.
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On May 22 2013 02:06 Clazziquai10 wrote:
They really should cast BeastyQT vs Monchi -.-
They will in three hours on TakeTV
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On May 22 2013 02:07 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:59 Greendotz wrote:On May 22 2013 01:36 Ysellian wrote:
Viewer numbers have been rather low in all WCS tournaments. Too much Starcraft? Not sure if you're trying to get a rise out of people? EU premier league has been getting an average of 35,000 with peaks of 50,000 for games like Stephano V Grubby. NA numbers have been around 10,000 lower, but then EU has the advantage of a broadcast time that both EU and NA audiences can watch. Those numbers are low to you? If your argument is base of the fact that it's not pulling in the 80,000-120,000 LCS does, you're right, but then this is Starcraft, not LoL. ... How does one read this much into a single line of text? Last nights WCS AM was lower than usual, today GSL was on low side as well and WCS EU today is only 10k as well. It's just been strangely low, just wondering if this format isn't maing people feel jaded.
The viewer numbers for WCS EU has been true the roof a lot more then what I expected and we got around 20k viewers and remember is only the challenger league Im quite impressed with these numbers
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On May 22 2013 02:07 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:59 Greendotz wrote:On May 22 2013 01:36 Ysellian wrote:
Viewer numbers have been rather low in all WCS tournaments. Too much Starcraft? Not sure if you're trying to get a rise out of people? EU premier league has been getting an average of 35,000 with peaks of 50,000 for games like Stephano V Grubby. NA numbers have been around 10,000 lower, but then EU has the advantage of a broadcast time that both EU and NA audiences can watch. Those numbers are low to you? If your argument is base of the fact that it's not pulling in the 80,000-120,000 LCS does, you're right, but then this is Starcraft, not LoL. ... How does one read this much into a single line of text? Last nights WCS AM was lower than usual, today GSL was on low side as well and WCS EU today is only 10k as well. It's just been strangely low, just wondering if this format isn't making people feel tired of starcraft.
These are challengers.. its like... to challenge code A.. ofc. it wont peak at 50k...
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On May 22 2013 02:09 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 02:07 Ysellian wrote:On May 22 2013 01:59 Greendotz wrote:On May 22 2013 01:36 Ysellian wrote:
Viewer numbers have been rather low in all WCS tournaments. Too much Starcraft? Not sure if you're trying to get a rise out of people? EU premier league has been getting an average of 35,000 with peaks of 50,000 for games like Stephano V Grubby. NA numbers have been around 10,000 lower, but then EU has the advantage of a broadcast time that both EU and NA audiences can watch. Those numbers are low to you? If your argument is base of the fact that it's not pulling in the 80,000-120,000 LCS does, you're right, but then this is Starcraft, not LoL. ... How does one read this much into a single line of text? Last nights WCS AM was lower than usual, today GSL was on low side as well and WCS EU today is only 10k as well. It's just been strangely low, just wondering if this format isn't making people feel tired of starcraft. These are challengers.. its like... to challenge code A.. ofc. it wont peak at 50k...
I expect for the R08 premier league +70k
Edit: Aww Kas . Well played though Bling
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Still don't like this cushion system of the group stage why can't they just turn on man mode like GSL and just get rid of first round losers.
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On May 22 2013 02:07 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:59 Greendotz wrote:On May 22 2013 01:36 Ysellian wrote:
Viewer numbers have been rather low in all WCS tournaments. Too much Starcraft? Not sure if you're trying to get a rise out of people? EU premier league has been getting an average of 35,000 with peaks of 50,000 for games like Stephano V Grubby. NA numbers have been around 10,000 lower, but then EU has the advantage of a broadcast time that both EU and NA audiences can watch. Those numbers are low to you? If your argument is base of the fact that it's not pulling in the 80,000-120,000 LCS does, you're right, but then this is Starcraft, not LoL. ... How does one read this much into a single line of text? Last nights WCS AM was lower than usual, today GSL was on low side as well and WCS EU today is only 10k as well. It's just been strangely low, just wondering if this format isn't making people feel tired of starcraft.
WCS Challenger always maxed out @ 20-25k
and of course the market is oversaturated with SC2 content at the moment - the WCS Content of 3-4 months compressed into 1 1/2 months ? + 4 team leagues + Shoutcraft America + Dreamhack Stockholm
and its not getting better/less until after the WCS S1 finals / Dreamhack Open asf.
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On May 22 2013 02:08 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 02:07 Ysellian wrote:On May 22 2013 01:59 Greendotz wrote:On May 22 2013 01:36 Ysellian wrote:
Viewer numbers have been rather low in all WCS tournaments. Too much Starcraft? Not sure if you're trying to get a rise out of people? EU premier league has been getting an average of 35,000 with peaks of 50,000 for games like Stephano V Grubby. NA numbers have been around 10,000 lower, but then EU has the advantage of a broadcast time that both EU and NA audiences can watch. Those numbers are low to you? If your argument is base of the fact that it's not pulling in the 80,000-120,000 LCS does, you're right, but then this is Starcraft, not LoL. ... How does one read this much into a single line of text? Last nights WCS AM was lower than usual, today GSL was on low side as well and WCS EU today is only 10k as well. It's just been strangely low, just wondering if this format isn't maing people feel jaded. The viewer numbers for WCS EU has been true the roof a lot more then what I expected and we got around 20k viewers and remember is only the challenger league Im quite impressed with these numbers
WCS EU's numbers have indeed been very high, I just expected the premier league viewer numbers to carry over a bit more. Not 40 ~ 60k big, but half of that.
On May 22 2013 02:13 Nebomatic wrote:
WCS Challenger always maxed out @ 20-25k
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Thanks for that. I guess the current numbers for WCS EU at least meet expectations .
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On May 22 2013 02:15 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 02:08 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 22 2013 02:07 Ysellian wrote:On May 22 2013 01:59 Greendotz wrote:On May 22 2013 01:36 Ysellian wrote:
Viewer numbers have been rather low in all WCS tournaments. Too much Starcraft? Not sure if you're trying to get a rise out of people? EU premier league has been getting an average of 35,000 with peaks of 50,000 for games like Stephano V Grubby. NA numbers have been around 10,000 lower, but then EU has the advantage of a broadcast time that both EU and NA audiences can watch. Those numbers are low to you? If your argument is base of the fact that it's not pulling in the 80,000-120,000 LCS does, you're right, but then this is Starcraft, not LoL. ... How does one read this much into a single line of text? Last nights WCS AM was lower than usual, today GSL was on low side as well and WCS EU today is only 10k as well. It's just been strangely low, just wondering if this format isn't maing people feel jaded. The viewer numbers for WCS EU has been true the roof a lot more then what I expected and we got around 20k viewers and remember is only the challenger league Im quite impressed with these numbers WCS EU's numbers have indeed been very high, I just expected the premier league viewer numbers to carry over a bit more. Not 40 ~ 60k big, but half of that.
I expect that WCS EU f they keep it up, will reach 100k standard. Solid production, big names, europeans doing pretty well. There is nothing to hold WCS EU back to reach 100k during premier broadcasts.
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wow ... no main english cast ??? ... thats bad guys coul be soooo much cooler ... I WANT CHALLANGER like code a ... its WORTH IT !
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On May 22 2013 02:15 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 02:08 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 22 2013 02:07 Ysellian wrote:On May 22 2013 01:59 Greendotz wrote:On May 22 2013 01:36 Ysellian wrote:
Viewer numbers have been rather low in all WCS tournaments. Too much Starcraft? Not sure if you're trying to get a rise out of people? EU premier league has been getting an average of 35,000 with peaks of 50,000 for games like Stephano V Grubby. NA numbers have been around 10,000 lower, but then EU has the advantage of a broadcast time that both EU and NA audiences can watch. Those numbers are low to you? If your argument is base of the fact that it's not pulling in the 80,000-120,000 LCS does, you're right, but then this is Starcraft, not LoL. ... How does one read this much into a single line of text? Last nights WCS AM was lower than usual, today GSL was on low side as well and WCS EU today is only 10k as well. It's just been strangely low, just wondering if this format isn't maing people feel jaded. The viewer numbers for WCS EU has been true the roof a lot more then what I expected and we got around 20k viewers and remember is only the challenger league Im quite impressed with these numbers WCS EU's numbers have indeed been very high, I just expected the premier league viewer numbers to carry over a bit more. Not 40 ~ 60k big, but half of that.
The players for challenger aren't exactly the big crowd pullers until grubby, mana or ret come on.
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On May 22 2013 02:17 CoR wrote:
wow ... no main english cast ??? ... thats bad guys coul be soooo much cooler ... I WANT CHALLANGER like code a ... its WORTH IT !
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/WCS Europe 2
I dunno what just happened but it just went off the calender it's still on though
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On May 22 2013 02:17 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 02:15 Ysellian wrote:On May 22 2013 02:08 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 22 2013 02:07 Ysellian wrote:On May 22 2013 01:59 Greendotz wrote:On May 22 2013 01:36 Ysellian wrote:
Viewer numbers have been rather low in all WCS tournaments. Too much Starcraft? Not sure if you're trying to get a rise out of people? EU premier league has been getting an average of 35,000 with peaks of 50,000 for games like Stephano V Grubby. NA numbers have been around 10,000 lower, but then EU has the advantage of a broadcast time that both EU and NA audiences can watch. Those numbers are low to you? If your argument is base of the fact that it's not pulling in the 80,000-120,000 LCS does, you're right, but then this is Starcraft, not LoL. ... How does one read this much into a single line of text? Last nights WCS AM was lower than usual, today GSL was on low side as well and WCS EU today is only 10k as well. It's just been strangely low, just wondering if this format isn't maing people feel jaded. The viewer numbers for WCS EU has been true the roof a lot more then what I expected and we got around 20k viewers and remember is only the challenger league Im quite impressed with these numbers WCS EU's numbers have indeed been very high, I just expected the premier league viewer numbers to carry over a bit more. Not 40 ~ 60k big, but half of that. I expect that WCS EU f they keep it up, will reach 100k standard. Solid production, big names, europeans doing pretty well. There is nothing to hold WCS EU back to reach 100k during premier broadcasts.
Imagine a Stephano-Mvp final. We could easily break the 100k.
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why didn't finale get a mothership core with a 4 gate... you need vision to kill sentries
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On May 22 2013 02:07 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:59 Greendotz wrote:On May 22 2013 01:36 Ysellian wrote:
Viewer numbers have been rather low in all WCS tournaments. Too much Starcraft? Not sure if you're trying to get a rise out of people? EU premier league has been getting an average of 35,000 with peaks of 50,000 for games like Stephano V Grubby. NA numbers have been around 10,000 lower, but then EU has the advantage of a broadcast time that both EU and NA audiences can watch. Those numbers are low to you? If your argument is base of the fact that it's not pulling in the 80,000-120,000 LCS does, you're right, but then this is Starcraft, not LoL. ... How does one read this much into a single line of text? Last nights WCS AM was lower than usual, today GSL was on low side as well and WCS EU today is only 10k as well. It's just been strangely low, just wondering if this format isn't making people feel tired of starcraft.
Apologies if I came across as aggressive, I just get a little peed off with people always measuring success by stream views, and when the numbers drop there always seems to be calls of “the end is nigh for Esports”. Not that you did that but I just associated your post with those other neigh sayers. This article actually sums up my opinion on it nicely.
Personally I think near 20,000 views EU is currently getting is great. I assume most people are causal viewers like me and care very little about Challenger league (I’m not even watching it properly, just have it running in the background and kind of drifting in and out). GSL’s numbers are no different then usual, views from the RO8 and up are very dependent on the popularity of the players who are competing, today we had two KesPa players, who despite their extremely high skill still aren’t as popular as more established Esf players. I can’t account for the low NA numbers, guess there is a lot of content and people are prioritising KR and EU over NA.
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