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On May 23 2013 05:57 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 05:51 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:46 MaestroSC wrote:On May 23 2013 05:41 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future. Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now. no. difference is their comparisons/competition. Nestea constantly plays against the top 50 players in the world. Hasu doesnt have to play any of them. Europeans/NA/all foreign players stay relevant because they dominate a weaker scene. If they played where Nestea, Jjakji, Sniper all play, it would be the exact same for them. they would get stuck in the crowd of excellent players without any real note. To an extend this is certainly true, but let me just post the top 16 of GSL 1: Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Ensnare, Liveforever, Maka, Trickster, Inca, HongUn, Nettie, Legalmind, TOP, San, Hyperdub, Check, anypro, Clide. Would you bet money on any of them against Dimaga, Hasu, MaNa or Lucifron? Like I said, the guys you mentioned (Nestea, Sniper, Jjakji) are future possibilities, atm. I still see them on a pretty high level. There's a reason they all gave up and retired. If they played in a weaker scene where they could continue to remain competitive and earn money, they may have continued to practice.
That would be an explanation for what I said, not a counter-argument. Also GSL was´nt always as stacked, as it is now. For example Maka´s GSL career was ended by Sjow, who was pretty comparable to the guys I named before, Ensnare finished behind iNcontroL, Cruncher and Moman at NASL, while he was still in Code S.
Also I did´nt say, that the euro carrers are magically longer than koreans, it is just smth. that is a result of the korean infra-structure. If you live in Europe/America you will not have training houses, where you train with a strict schedule for 12 hours a day. This results in the fact, that koreans are better players during there prime time. But what I said originally is just a conseqeunce of the same thing, if you do´nt have the korean infrastructure, you might not reach a skill level, that the top koreans have at their prime, but you also won´t get immediatly replaced by 3 other guys, who are just as good as you either and thus are able to have a longer career at a level above the current level of Rainbow and co..
Edit at Shellshock: Yes, San is still around, I know, but you get what I mean and that is one guy out of the former top 16 in the wolrd (naming just the ones, that are irrelevant now would be ridiculos) . And I would´nt pick him over those 3 either, but that is debatable I guess. At least he made me happy today, when I finally saw my general eliminating a korean out of smth, even if it was bo1 and online.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 23 2013 06:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 05:51 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:46 MaestroSC wrote:On May 23 2013 05:41 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future. Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now. no. difference is their comparisons/competition. Nestea constantly plays against the top 50 players in the world. Hasu doesnt have to play any of them. Europeans/NA/all foreign players stay relevant because they dominate a weaker scene. If they played where Nestea, Jjakji, Sniper all play, it would be the exact same for them. they would get stuck in the crowd of excellent players without any real note. To an extend this is certainly true, but let me just post the top 16 of GSL 1: Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Ensnare, Liveforever, Maka, Trickster, Inca, HongUn, Nettie, Legalmind, TOP, San, Hyperdub, Check, anypro, Clide. Would you bet money on any of them against Dimaga, Hasu, MaNa or Lucifron? Like I said, the guys you mentioned (Nestea, Sniper, Jjakji) are future possibilities, atm. I still see them on a pretty high level. I know you're just trying to make a point but if these were real bets I'd probably take San over Dimaga, Hasu, and Mana. not Lucifron though.
Is San playing in an online qualifier?
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United States97276 Posts
On May 23 2013 06:12 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 06:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 23 2013 05:51 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:46 MaestroSC wrote:On May 23 2013 05:41 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future. Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now. no. difference is their comparisons/competition. Nestea constantly plays against the top 50 players in the world. Hasu doesnt have to play any of them. Europeans/NA/all foreign players stay relevant because they dominate a weaker scene. If they played where Nestea, Jjakji, Sniper all play, it would be the exact same for them. they would get stuck in the crowd of excellent players without any real note. To an extend this is certainly true, but let me just post the top 16 of GSL 1: Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Ensnare, Liveforever, Maka, Trickster, Inca, HongUn, Nettie, Legalmind, TOP, San, Hyperdub, Check, anypro, Clide. Would you bet money on any of them against Dimaga, Hasu, MaNa or Lucifron? Like I said, the guys you mentioned (Nestea, Sniper, Jjakji) are future possibilities, atm. I still see them on a pretty high level. I know you're just trying to make a point but if these were real bets I'd probably take San over Dimaga, Hasu, and Mana. not Lucifron though. Is San playing in an online qualifier?
If it's an online qualifier then he beats all of them without dropping a map D:
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On May 23 2013 06:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 06:12 stuchiu wrote:On May 23 2013 06:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 23 2013 05:51 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:46 MaestroSC wrote:On May 23 2013 05:41 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future. Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now. no. difference is their comparisons/competition. Nestea constantly plays against the top 50 players in the world. Hasu doesnt have to play any of them. Europeans/NA/all foreign players stay relevant because they dominate a weaker scene. If they played where Nestea, Jjakji, Sniper all play, it would be the exact same for them. they would get stuck in the crowd of excellent players without any real note. To an extend this is certainly true, but let me just post the top 16 of GSL 1: Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Ensnare, Liveforever, Maka, Trickster, Inca, HongUn, Nettie, Legalmind, TOP, San, Hyperdub, Check, anypro, Clide. Would you bet money on any of them against Dimaga, Hasu, MaNa or Lucifron? Like I said, the guys you mentioned (Nestea, Sniper, Jjakji) are future possibilities, atm. I still see them on a pretty high level. I know you're just trying to make a point but if these were real bets I'd probably take San over Dimaga, Hasu, and Mana. not Lucifron though. Is San playing in an online qualifier? If it's an online qualifier then he beats all of them without dropping a map D:
I am not so sure about that, like I edited above, he got kicked out of the online ESET-qualifier by GoOdy today.
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United States97276 Posts
On May 23 2013 06:18 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 06:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 23 2013 06:12 stuchiu wrote:On May 23 2013 06:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 23 2013 05:51 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:46 MaestroSC wrote:On May 23 2013 05:41 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future. Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now. no. difference is their comparisons/competition. Nestea constantly plays against the top 50 players in the world. Hasu doesnt have to play any of them. Europeans/NA/all foreign players stay relevant because they dominate a weaker scene. If they played where Nestea, Jjakji, Sniper all play, it would be the exact same for them. they would get stuck in the crowd of excellent players without any real note. To an extend this is certainly true, but let me just post the top 16 of GSL 1: Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Ensnare, Liveforever, Maka, Trickster, Inca, HongUn, Nettie, Legalmind, TOP, San, Hyperdub, Check, anypro, Clide. Would you bet money on any of them against Dimaga, Hasu, MaNa or Lucifron? Like I said, the guys you mentioned (Nestea, Sniper, Jjakji) are future possibilities, atm. I still see them on a pretty high level. I know you're just trying to make a point but if these were real bets I'd probably take San over Dimaga, Hasu, and Mana. not Lucifron though. Is San playing in an online qualifier? If it's an online qualifier then he beats all of them without dropping a map D: I am not so sure about that, like I edited above, he got kicked out of the online ESET-qualifier by GoOdy today.
oh for real? maybe he lost his online qualifier luster then. I'd have to rethink that bet now. But yea, I understood the point you were making before. I just wanted to play around :D
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On May 23 2013 06:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 06:18 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 06:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 23 2013 06:12 stuchiu wrote:On May 23 2013 06:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 23 2013 05:51 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:46 MaestroSC wrote:On May 23 2013 05:41 Xoronius wrote:On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future. Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now. no. difference is their comparisons/competition. Nestea constantly plays against the top 50 players in the world. Hasu doesnt have to play any of them. Europeans/NA/all foreign players stay relevant because they dominate a weaker scene. If they played where Nestea, Jjakji, Sniper all play, it would be the exact same for them. they would get stuck in the crowd of excellent players without any real note. To an extend this is certainly true, but let me just post the top 16 of GSL 1: Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Ensnare, Liveforever, Maka, Trickster, Inca, HongUn, Nettie, Legalmind, TOP, San, Hyperdub, Check, anypro, Clide. Would you bet money on any of them against Dimaga, Hasu, MaNa or Lucifron? Like I said, the guys you mentioned (Nestea, Sniper, Jjakji) are future possibilities, atm. I still see them on a pretty high level. I know you're just trying to make a point but if these were real bets I'd probably take San over Dimaga, Hasu, and Mana. not Lucifron though. Is San playing in an online qualifier? If it's an online qualifier then he beats all of them without dropping a map D: I am not so sure about that, like I edited above, he got kicked out of the online ESET-qualifier by GoOdy today. oh for real? maybe he lost his online qualifier luster then. I'd have to rethink that bet now. But yea, I understood the point you were making before. I just wanted to play around :D
Yes, but it was probably on EU Server. But it should have been the real one, they casted a game of him in the earlier rounds and he dismantled his opponent pretty hard. Unfortunately I was watching WCS, while the San-GoOdy result took place.
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Thank you Grubby, for showing MC that going WCS EU ain't a free money ride.
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who will be casting tonights matches?
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On May 23 2013 05:53 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 05:23 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Mr. Bitter and Nathanias should do a cast together totally
I don't know Kev!
Looking forward to today's games 
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Damn, Tefel and Nerchio play at the same time. The person responsible for schedule is so evil 
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Wow, sick matchups today :D
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None of my boys are left so I guess it's time to go all nationalistic.
GO SWEDES GO 
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Why do grubby and nani play at the same time...
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On May 24 2013 00:52 AlternativeEgo wrote:None of my boys are left so I guess it's time to go all nationalistic. GO SWEDES GO
Screw Sweden go Denmark!!! 
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On May 24 2013 00:57 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 00:52 AlternativeEgo wrote:None of my boys are left so I guess it's time to go all nationalistic. GO SWEDES GO Screw Sweden go Denmark!!!
But..but MMA
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On May 24 2013 00:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 00:57 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 24 2013 00:52 AlternativeEgo wrote:None of my boys are left so I guess it's time to go all nationalistic. GO SWEDES GO Screw Sweden go Denmark!!! But..but MMA
Yea it really sucks. I do think MMA is going to crush the great dane
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France858 Posts
On May 24 2013 01:01 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 00:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 24 2013 00:57 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 24 2013 00:52 AlternativeEgo wrote:None of my boys are left so I guess it's time to go all nationalistic. GO SWEDES GO Screw Sweden go Denmark!!! But..but MMA Yea it really sucks. I do think MMA is going to crush the great dane
MMA is really bad in tvt these days :o if we judge is recent performance. he'd have to step up to beat anybody !
:3 But yeah i'm ready for all these matches !
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On May 24 2013 01:01 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2013 00:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 24 2013 00:57 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 24 2013 00:52 AlternativeEgo wrote:None of my boys are left so I guess it's time to go all nationalistic. GO SWEDES GO Screw Sweden go Denmark!!! But..but MMA Yea it really sucks. I do think MMA is going to crush the great dane
I sure hope so. I wish all the best for Bunny and the Danes, but at the expense of MMA? Hell no. :p
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EPT
