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Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
May 22 2013 20:28 GMT
#761
Good. Turtlers shouldn't pass.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 22 2013 20:29 GMT
#762
I can't see Dayshi losing to Strelok now. His TvT is way better than his TvP.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Saat
Profile Joined August 2012
France65 Posts
May 22 2013 20:29 GMT
#763
On May 23 2013 05:20 Greendotz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:17 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:11 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:08 Saat wrote:
Dayshi deals with 3 colossi with 3 vikings.

I think he is better than HasuObs, but he still may lose because of a all in.


i wonder why he is all of a sudden :D

but honestly, he rly stepped it up a lot lately



Millenium is really great for finding great talents (Stephano, Feast, Dayshi...)


Goswser as well, although did they pick him up before or after he went beast mode in Iron Squid 2?


Was just after.
But yes, i forgot him and Huk. But for him, i don't think he proves himself too much, so i did not put him in the "great talents".
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 22 2013 20:30 GMT
#764
On May 23 2013 05:29 Saat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:20 Greendotz wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:17 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:11 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:08 Saat wrote:
Dayshi deals with 3 colossi with 3 vikings.

I think he is better than HasuObs, but he still may lose because of a all in.


i wonder why he is all of a sudden :D

but honestly, he rly stepped it up a lot lately



Millenium is really great for finding great talents (Stephano, Feast, Dayshi...)


Goswser as well, although did they pick him up before or after he went beast mode in Iron Squid 2?


Was just after.
But yes, i forgot him and Huk. But for him, i don't think he proves himself too much, so i did not put him in the "great talents".


if i'm not mistaken, huk won an mlg under millenium's color ? it's huge
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 22 2013 20:30 GMT
#765
On May 23 2013 05:17 Saat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:11 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:08 Saat wrote:
Dayshi deals with 3 colossi with 3 vikings.

I think he is better than HasuObs, but he still may lose because of a all in.


i wonder why he is all of a sudden :D

but honestly, he rly stepped it up a lot lately


Hasu has a better career on SC2. Hasu may win this bo3. But honnestly, i follow Dayshi a lot, and for the last 3 months, he showed a lot of potential. I'm pretty sure in few months he will be a very top foreigner.

Millenium is really great for finding great talents (Stephano, Feast, Dayshi...)

Anyway, he is still a little weak against toss all in.


Edit : And he had the game for a long time. He was sure of that Hasu couldn't expand, he trades cheap gaz units agaisnt expansive gaz units, he made Hasu used his energy on his sentries, he built his 3rd... He was definitely ahead, and with the reinforcement, he had win anyway even with the 2-2 i guess.


You forgot Huk! And that's why I'm a Mil fan they so good at producing really great players. And yea Dayshi really making a name for himself l8tly
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
May 22 2013 20:31 GMT
#766
Damn Hasu

That means the deciding games tomorrow will be:
+ Show Spoiler +

dk (T)Bunny vs. kr (T)MMA
fr (T)Dayshi vs. ua (T)Strelok
nl (Z)Ret vs. es (Z)VortiX
kr (T)Shuttle vs. se (P)SaSe
ua (Z)Bly vs. be (P)Feast
fr (P)ToD vs. se (T)ThorZaIN
nl (P)Grubby vs. [image loading](Z)Nerchio
[image loading] (Z)Tefel vs. [image loading] (P)NaNiwa
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
May 22 2013 20:32 GMT
#767
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
May 22 2013 20:33 GMT
#768
On May 23 2013 05:30 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:29 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:20 Greendotz wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:17 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:11 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:08 Saat wrote:
Dayshi deals with 3 colossi with 3 vikings.

I think he is better than HasuObs, but he still may lose because of a all in.


i wonder why he is all of a sudden :D

but honestly, he rly stepped it up a lot lately



Millenium is really great for finding great talents (Stephano, Feast, Dayshi...)


Goswser as well, although did they pick him up before or after he went beast mode in Iron Squid 2?


Was just after.
But yes, i forgot him and Huk. But for him, i don't think he proves himself too much, so i did not put him in the "great talents".


if i'm not mistaken, huk won an mlg under millenium's color ? it's huge


I think he was talking about Goswser; but yes, HuK won his first MLG with Mill AFAIK.

GG Dayshi, you played better today, at least Hasu took more maps than the entire Quantic. Now Goody has to win todays ESET, otherwise it´s a pretty sad day for me.
Saat
Profile Joined August 2012
France65 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 20:33:56
May 22 2013 20:33 GMT
#769
I wanted to speak about Gowser.
Huk may be pretty bad nowadays, i think he had prove himself enough during his whole career. Gowser, i'm not sure.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 22 2013 20:33 GMT
#770
On May 23 2013 05:33 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:30 Makro wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:29 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:20 Greendotz wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:17 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:11 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:08 Saat wrote:
Dayshi deals with 3 colossi with 3 vikings.

I think he is better than HasuObs, but he still may lose because of a all in.


i wonder why he is all of a sudden :D

but honestly, he rly stepped it up a lot lately



Millenium is really great for finding great talents (Stephano, Feast, Dayshi...)


Goswser as well, although did they pick him up before or after he went beast mode in Iron Squid 2?


Was just after.
But yes, i forgot him and Huk. But for him, i don't think he proves himself too much, so i did not put him in the "great talents".


if i'm not mistaken, huk won an mlg under millenium's color ? it's huge


I think he was talking about Goswser; but yes, HuK won his first MLG with Mill AFAIK.

GG Dayshi, you played better today, at least Hasu took more maps than the entire Quantic. Now Goody has to win todays ESET, otherwise it´s a pretty sad day for me.


my bad
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 22 2013 20:34 GMT
#771
On May 23 2013 05:30 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:29 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:20 Greendotz wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:17 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:11 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:08 Saat wrote:
Dayshi deals with 3 colossi with 3 vikings.

I think he is better than HasuObs, but he still may lose because of a all in.


i wonder why he is all of a sudden :D

but honestly, he rly stepped it up a lot lately



Millenium is really great for finding great talents (Stephano, Feast, Dayshi...)


Goswser as well, although did they pick him up before or after he went beast mode in Iron Squid 2?


Was just after.
But yes, i forgot him and Huk. But for him, i don't think he proves himself too much, so i did not put him in the "great talents".


if i'm not mistaken, huk won an mlg under millenium's color ? it's huge

Yes, the very first one. To be honest, the level wasn't the same that it is nowadays.

1 - HuK
2 - KiWiKaKi
3 - Socke
4 - LastShadow
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 22 2013 20:35 GMT
#772
On May 23 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:30 Makro wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:29 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:20 Greendotz wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:17 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:11 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:08 Saat wrote:
Dayshi deals with 3 colossi with 3 vikings.

I think he is better than HasuObs, but he still may lose because of a all in.


i wonder why he is all of a sudden :D

but honestly, he rly stepped it up a lot lately



Millenium is really great for finding great talents (Stephano, Feast, Dayshi...)


Goswser as well, although did they pick him up before or after he went beast mode in Iron Squid 2?


Was just after.
But yes, i forgot him and Huk. But for him, i don't think he proves himself too much, so i did not put him in the "great talents".


if i'm not mistaken, huk won an mlg under millenium's color ? it's huge

Yes, the very first one. To be honest, the level wasn't the same that it is nowadays.

1 - HuK
2 - KiWiKaKi
3 - Socke
4 - LastShadow


Still an MLG win
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 22 2013 20:39 GMT
#773
On May 23 2013 05:35 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:34 Boucot wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:30 Makro wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:29 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:20 Greendotz wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:17 Saat wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:11 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:08 Saat wrote:
Dayshi deals with 3 colossi with 3 vikings.

I think he is better than HasuObs, but he still may lose because of a all in.


i wonder why he is all of a sudden :D

but honestly, he rly stepped it up a lot lately



Millenium is really great for finding great talents (Stephano, Feast, Dayshi...)


Goswser as well, although did they pick him up before or after he went beast mode in Iron Squid 2?


Was just after.
But yes, i forgot him and Huk. But for him, i don't think he proves himself too much, so i did not put him in the "great talents".


if i'm not mistaken, huk won an mlg under millenium's color ? it's huge

Yes, the very first one. To be honest, the level wasn't the same that it is nowadays.

1 - HuK
2 - KiWiKaKi
3 - Socke
4 - LastShadow


Still an MLG win

Of course, one of, if not the biggest tournament at the time.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
May 22 2013 20:40 GMT
#774
My predictions for tommorow:

Bunny>MMA
Dayshi<Strelok
Ret<Vortix
Shuttle<SaSe
Bly<Feast
Tod<Thorzain
Grubby>Nerchio
Tefel<Naniwa
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 20:42:32
May 22 2013 20:41 GMT
#775
On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future.


Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 20:46:34
May 22 2013 20:46 GMT
#776
On May 23 2013 05:41 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future.


Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now.



no. difference is their comparisons/competition.

Nestea constantly plays against the top 50 players in the world.

Hasu doesnt have to play any of them.


Europeans/NA/all foreign players stay relevant because they dominate a weaker scene.

If they played where Nestea, Jjakji, Sniper all play, it would be the exact same for them. they would get stuck in the crowd of excellent players without any real note.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 20:52:54
May 22 2013 20:51 GMT
#777
On May 23 2013 05:46 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:41 Xoronius wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future.


Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now.



no. difference is their comparisons/competition.

Nestea constantly plays against the top 50 players in the world.

Hasu doesnt have to play any of them.


Europeans/NA/all foreign players stay relevant because they dominate a weaker scene.

If they played where Nestea, Jjakji, Sniper all play, it would be the exact same for them. they would get stuck in the crowd of excellent players without any real note.


To an extend this is certainly true, but let me just post the top 16 of GSL 1:
Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Ensnare, Liveforever, Maka, Trickster, Inca, HongUn, Nettie, Legalmind, TOP, San, Hyperdub, Check, anypro, Clide.

Would you bet money on any of them against Dimaga, Hasu, MaNa or Lucifron?

Like I said, the guys you mentioned (Nestea, Sniper, Jjakji) are future possibilities, atm. I still see them on a pretty high level.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
May 22 2013 20:53 GMT
#778
On May 23 2013 05:23 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Mr. Bitter and Nathanias should do a cast together

totally
yo
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 22 2013 20:57 GMT
#779
On May 23 2013 05:51 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:46 MaestroSC wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:41 Xoronius wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future.


Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now.



no. difference is their comparisons/competition.

Nestea constantly plays against the top 50 players in the world.

Hasu doesnt have to play any of them.


Europeans/NA/all foreign players stay relevant because they dominate a weaker scene.

If they played where Nestea, Jjakji, Sniper all play, it would be the exact same for them. they would get stuck in the crowd of excellent players without any real note.


To an extend this is certainly true, but let me just post the top 16 of GSL 1:
Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Ensnare, Liveforever, Maka, Trickster, Inca, HongUn, Nettie, Legalmind, TOP, San, Hyperdub, Check, anypro, Clide.

Would you bet money on any of them against Dimaga, Hasu, MaNa or Lucifron?

Like I said, the guys you mentioned (Nestea, Sniper, Jjakji) are future possibilities, atm. I still see them on a pretty high level.

There's a reason they all gave up and retired. If they played in a weaker scene where they could continue to remain competitive and earn money, they may have continued to practice.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 22 2013 21:01 GMT
#780
On May 23 2013 05:51 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 05:46 MaestroSC wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:41 Xoronius wrote:
On May 23 2013 05:32 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Dayshi seems pretty solid. He even might become a top EU Terran foreigner along with Lucifron.
HasuObs on the other hand is a well known player with a long career with good results, but he did not break the line, which separates most foreigners from the very top foreigners. Also it's most unlikely he will do so in the future.


Hasu is just ultra-solid. He was relevant in 2010, before Life, Leenock, Gumiho, JJakji, MMA or DRG came up, he is more relevant than Trickster/San/Inca/anypro/TOP/Maka/Fruitdealer/Boxer now (current state of the game, ofc. Fruitdealer is the first GSL champion and thus an icon of SC) and in two years he will probably be more relevant than Nestea, Jjakji or Sniper. That´s the one thing, foreigners have on their side; their careers are usually longer in a good state, players who were good in the beta (for example Hasu, Socke, Dimaga, Lucifron...) are still good now.



no. difference is their comparisons/competition.

Nestea constantly plays against the top 50 players in the world.

Hasu doesnt have to play any of them.


Europeans/NA/all foreign players stay relevant because they dominate a weaker scene.

If they played where Nestea, Jjakji, Sniper all play, it would be the exact same for them. they would get stuck in the crowd of excellent players without any real note.


To an extend this is certainly true, but let me just post the top 16 of GSL 1:
Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Ensnare, Liveforever, Maka, Trickster, Inca, HongUn, Nettie, Legalmind, TOP, San, Hyperdub, Check, anypro, Clide.

Would you bet money on any of them against Dimaga, Hasu, MaNa or Lucifron?

Like I said, the guys you mentioned (Nestea, Sniper, Jjakji) are future possibilities, atm. I still see them on a pretty high level.

I know you're just trying to make a point but if these were real bets I'd probably take San over Dimaga, Hasu, and Mana. not Lucifron though.
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