• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:46
CET 00:46
KST 08:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion What happened to TvZ on Retro? Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2157 users

[SPL] CJ Entus vs. STX SouL R5 - Page 23

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 27 Next All
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 19 2013 04:54 GMT
#441
Bogus man Bogus man.
So bloody good.
Play your best
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 04:56:26
May 19 2013 04:54 GMT
#442
innovation 2 stronk. but I miss mindtime TT
"See you space cowboy"
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#443
On May 19 2013 13:50 zyzq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:49 Dodgin wrote:
It's so weird for STX to have fangirls, back in BW I knew the ID of every STX fan on these forums, all 5 of them.


stx has korean fangirls bcuz of calm and kal

Koreans like winners..
Also..there'd be more STX fans if Kal was back.
Also..Calm had fan girls?
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#444
On May 19 2013 13:54 Dodgin wrote:
even in Mvp's prime he didn't have extremely dominant TvP, just TvT and TvZ.


luckily for him, he didn't need it. Sad Zealot ;_;
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#445
On May 19 2013 13:53 largehadroncollider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:36 Black Gun wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:27 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:21 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Not exactly, INoVation needs to win a tournament at least, and across multiple regions.


Haha I don't think these "INnoVation must win something first" counter arguments are relevant at all. If players like INnoVation, Flash, Rain, Soulkey etc etc etc were playing SC2 back then, it would have been an entirely different scenario.

true, but mvp was dominant in all matchups whereas innovation only has this aura of inviciblity in his best matchup, tvz. remember how unbeatable mvp (in his prime) was in tvt? how dominant he was in tvz? and how he was able to win a gsl against almost only protoss opponents, very strong ones nonetheless, at a time where his wrists were already exploding and protoss had the upper hand in the pvt metagame? mvp has the ability to conjure victories out of nothing. so far, innovation has only shown this skill in tvz alone.


Realistically, I don't think he could dominate as easily in all MUs given the higher level of competition today vs. the time before KeSPA transitioned. These guys are definitely playing a notch higher.

The same could be easily said of any number of great players prior to the TBLS era, yet that doesn't diminish what they accomplished. Starcraft just like any other sport evolves over time and the skill level gets ever higher. That doesn't stop players who did great things in their own time from deserving recognition and respect for it.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 04:56:31
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#446
On May 19 2013 13:52 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:51 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:43 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?

Oh, you're one of those. Why didn't you just say so in the first place and not waste everyone's time?

seeing your im sign I bother not even trying to touch your holy mvp fanboyism,

As opposed to shamelessly fellating the Kespa pros and pretending like everything that happened before the switchover is meaningless?


Yeah that Woongjin terran had an impressive run in 2011, I trust Innovation to do and be even better though.
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33486 Posts
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#447
On May 19 2013 13:54 Erik.TheRed wrote:
innovation 2 stronk.


here iono if this will help

AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#448
On May 19 2013 13:55 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:54 Dodgin wrote:
even in Mvp's prime he didn't have extremely dominant TvP, just TvT and TvZ.


luckily for him, he didn't need it. Sad Zealot ;_;


Yah Protoss was pretty bad until 2012 ;o
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#449
On May 19 2013 13:54 evergreensc wrote:
Innovation, SoulKey, sOs best players of the three races right now?

Gd it. NO.
There's no "best players" of three races right now.
You can argue Innovation with Flash
Soulkey with Roro/Symbol
sOs with Rain/parting
evergreensc
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
May 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#450
I'm out, everyone enjoy the next match and have a good night. Go SKT and Bisu in particular!
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
May 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#451
On May 19 2013 13:52 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:51 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:43 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?

Oh, you're one of those. Why didn't you just say so in the first place and not waste everyone's time?

seeing your im sign I bother not even trying to touch your holy mvp fanboyism,

As opposed to shamelessly fellating the Kespa pros and pretending like everything that happened before the switchover is meaningless?

don't put words in my mouth, it's not meaningless, it's devalued significantly and you can't deny that. Where's mvp with all the current pros around? Oh I forgot, he's healing the wrists, just as taeja. blahblah
evergreensc
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
May 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#452
On May 19 2013 13:56 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:54 evergreensc wrote:
Innovation, SoulKey, sOs best players of the three races right now?

Gd it. NO.
There's no "best players" of three races right now.
You can argue Innovation with Flash
Soulkey with Roro/Symbol
sOs with Rain/parting


It was more of a "these are the players I think are doing the best of the three races right now. What are your thoughts?"

Sorry if I offended you.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:57 GMT
#453
Innovation's good and i'm a big fan but he's getting overrated way out of porportion ><
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:57 GMT
#454
On May 19 2013 13:56 evergreensc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:56 LighT. wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:54 evergreensc wrote:
Innovation, SoulKey, sOs best players of the three races right now?

Gd it. NO.
There's no "best players" of three races right now.
You can argue Innovation with Flash
Soulkey with Roro/Symbol
sOs with Rain/parting


It was more of a "these are the players I think are doing the best of the three races right now. What are your thoughts?"

Sorry if I offended you.

Oh okay, carry on.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 04:58:12
May 19 2013 04:57 GMT
#455
btw, to stay realistic about the Innovation hype train, don't forget TvT....

everyone was so quick to ignore that Life might be weak in a mirror when he made his championship runs at GSL/MLG, and then he was exposed two seasons in a row in that match-up

Innovation is showing GODLY TvZ, very good TvP, but his TvT is still vulnerable, despite being quite good
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 19 2013 04:58 GMT
#456
It would be funny if Symbol beats Bogus in the ro4 with only roach-baneling allins and nydus worm allins, like he has to every other terran.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 19 2013 04:58 GMT
#457
On May 19 2013 13:46 LighT. wrote:
So...I just HAD to drop this in.
So..Flash is the only player in all of SC2 to have a winning record vs Innovation?


Are we counting WoL?
Moderator
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:59 GMT
#458
On May 19 2013 13:58 Dodgin wrote:
It would be funny if Symbol beats Bogus in the ro4 with only roach-baneling allins and nydus worm allins, like he has to every other terran.

hyvaa is basically a miniatur version of symbol though.
he loves em timing attacks sans nydus worms.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
May 19 2013 04:59 GMT
#459
On May 19 2013 13:55 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:53 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:36 Black Gun wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:27 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:21 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Not exactly, INoVation needs to win a tournament at least, and across multiple regions.


Haha I don't think these "INnoVation must win something first" counter arguments are relevant at all. If players like INnoVation, Flash, Rain, Soulkey etc etc etc were playing SC2 back then, it would have been an entirely different scenario.

true, but mvp was dominant in all matchups whereas innovation only has this aura of inviciblity in his best matchup, tvz. remember how unbeatable mvp (in his prime) was in tvt? how dominant he was in tvz? and how he was able to win a gsl against almost only protoss opponents, very strong ones nonetheless, at a time where his wrists were already exploding and protoss had the upper hand in the pvt metagame? mvp has the ability to conjure victories out of nothing. so far, innovation has only shown this skill in tvz alone.


Realistically, I don't think he could dominate as easily in all MUs given the higher level of competition today vs. the time before KeSPA transitioned. These guys are definitely playing a notch higher.

The same could be easily said of any number of great players prior to the TBLS era, yet that doesn't diminish what they accomplished. Starcraft just like any other sport evolves over time and the skill level gets ever higher. That doesn't stop players who did great things in their own time from deserving recognition and respect for it.


There's a difference between players of different time eras, and players playing quite similar games in the same era.
gg no re thx
largehadroncollider
Profile Joined May 2013
United States88 Posts
May 19 2013 04:59 GMT
#460
On May 19 2013 13:55 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:53 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:36 Black Gun wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:27 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:21 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Not exactly, INoVation needs to win a tournament at least, and across multiple regions.


Haha I don't think these "INnoVation must win something first" counter arguments are relevant at all. If players like INnoVation, Flash, Rain, Soulkey etc etc etc were playing SC2 back then, it would have been an entirely different scenario.

true, but mvp was dominant in all matchups whereas innovation only has this aura of inviciblity in his best matchup, tvz. remember how unbeatable mvp (in his prime) was in tvt? how dominant he was in tvz? and how he was able to win a gsl against almost only protoss opponents, very strong ones nonetheless, at a time where his wrists were already exploding and protoss had the upper hand in the pvt metagame? mvp has the ability to conjure victories out of nothing. so far, innovation has only shown this skill in tvz alone.


Realistically, I don't think he could dominate as easily in all MUs given the higher level of competition today vs. the time before KeSPA transitioned. These guys are definitely playing a notch higher.

The same could be easily said of any number of great players prior to the TBLS era, yet that doesn't diminish what they accomplished. Starcraft just like any other sport evolves over time and the skill level gets ever higher. That doesn't stop players who did great things in their own time from deserving recognition and respect for it.


I think you just shifted to another topic. lol.
still alive
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 27 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 15m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 444
PiGStarcraft252
UpATreeSC 162
Nathanias 92
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2494
Shuttle 425
LaStScan 159
NaDa 13
Bale 9
ivOry 4
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox331
Other Games
gofns6068
Grubby5166
summit1g1271
shahzam144
C9.Mang0132
ViBE90
Maynarde70
ZombieGrub26
PPMD21
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta21
• RyuSc2 20
• Hupsaiya 1
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 29
• FirePhoenix7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2690
• Ler88
Other Games
• imaqtpie1086
• WagamamaTV446
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
10h 15m
RSL Revival
10h 15m
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
12h 15m
Cure vs Reynor
Classic vs herO
IPSL
17h 15m
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
OSC
19h 15m
BSL 21
20h 15m
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 10h
RSL Revival
1d 10h
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
1d 12h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 12h
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
1d 20h
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
1d 20h
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
1d 23h
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL: GosuLeague
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
RSL Revival: Season 3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.