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[SPL] CJ Entus vs. STX SouL R5 - Page 23

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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
May 19 2013 04:54 GMT
#441
Bogus man Bogus man.
So bloody good.
Play your best
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 04:56:26
May 19 2013 04:54 GMT
#442
innovation 2 stronk. but I miss mindtime TT
"See you space cowboy"
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#443
On May 19 2013 13:50 zyzq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:49 Dodgin wrote:
It's so weird for STX to have fangirls, back in BW I knew the ID of every STX fan on these forums, all 5 of them.


stx has korean fangirls bcuz of calm and kal

Koreans like winners..
Also..there'd be more STX fans if Kal was back.
Also..Calm had fan girls?
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#444
On May 19 2013 13:54 Dodgin wrote:
even in Mvp's prime he didn't have extremely dominant TvP, just TvT and TvZ.


luckily for him, he didn't need it. Sad Zealot ;_;
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#445
On May 19 2013 13:53 largehadroncollider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:36 Black Gun wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:27 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:21 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Not exactly, INoVation needs to win a tournament at least, and across multiple regions.


Haha I don't think these "INnoVation must win something first" counter arguments are relevant at all. If players like INnoVation, Flash, Rain, Soulkey etc etc etc were playing SC2 back then, it would have been an entirely different scenario.

true, but mvp was dominant in all matchups whereas innovation only has this aura of inviciblity in his best matchup, tvz. remember how unbeatable mvp (in his prime) was in tvt? how dominant he was in tvz? and how he was able to win a gsl against almost only protoss opponents, very strong ones nonetheless, at a time where his wrists were already exploding and protoss had the upper hand in the pvt metagame? mvp has the ability to conjure victories out of nothing. so far, innovation has only shown this skill in tvz alone.


Realistically, I don't think he could dominate as easily in all MUs given the higher level of competition today vs. the time before KeSPA transitioned. These guys are definitely playing a notch higher.

The same could be easily said of any number of great players prior to the TBLS era, yet that doesn't diminish what they accomplished. Starcraft just like any other sport evolves over time and the skill level gets ever higher. That doesn't stop players who did great things in their own time from deserving recognition and respect for it.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 04:56:31
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#446
On May 19 2013 13:52 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:51 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:43 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?

Oh, you're one of those. Why didn't you just say so in the first place and not waste everyone's time?

seeing your im sign I bother not even trying to touch your holy mvp fanboyism,

As opposed to shamelessly fellating the Kespa pros and pretending like everything that happened before the switchover is meaningless?


Yeah that Woongjin terran had an impressive run in 2011, I trust Innovation to do and be even better though.
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33648 Posts
May 19 2013 04:55 GMT
#447
On May 19 2013 13:54 Erik.TheRed wrote:
innovation 2 stronk.


here iono if this will help

AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#448
On May 19 2013 13:55 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:54 Dodgin wrote:
even in Mvp's prime he didn't have extremely dominant TvP, just TvT and TvZ.


luckily for him, he didn't need it. Sad Zealot ;_;


Yah Protoss was pretty bad until 2012 ;o
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#449
On May 19 2013 13:54 evergreensc wrote:
Innovation, SoulKey, sOs best players of the three races right now?

Gd it. NO.
There's no "best players" of three races right now.
You can argue Innovation with Flash
Soulkey with Roro/Symbol
sOs with Rain/parting
evergreensc
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
May 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#450
I'm out, everyone enjoy the next match and have a good night. Go SKT and Bisu in particular!
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
May 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#451
On May 19 2013 13:52 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:51 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:43 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?

Oh, you're one of those. Why didn't you just say so in the first place and not waste everyone's time?

seeing your im sign I bother not even trying to touch your holy mvp fanboyism,

As opposed to shamelessly fellating the Kespa pros and pretending like everything that happened before the switchover is meaningless?

don't put words in my mouth, it's not meaningless, it's devalued significantly and you can't deny that. Where's mvp with all the current pros around? Oh I forgot, he's healing the wrists, just as taeja. blahblah
evergreensc
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
May 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#452
On May 19 2013 13:56 LighT. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:54 evergreensc wrote:
Innovation, SoulKey, sOs best players of the three races right now?

Gd it. NO.
There's no "best players" of three races right now.
You can argue Innovation with Flash
Soulkey with Roro/Symbol
sOs with Rain/parting


It was more of a "these are the players I think are doing the best of the three races right now. What are your thoughts?"

Sorry if I offended you.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:57 GMT
#453
Innovation's good and i'm a big fan but he's getting overrated way out of porportion ><
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:57 GMT
#454
On May 19 2013 13:56 evergreensc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:56 LighT. wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:54 evergreensc wrote:
Innovation, SoulKey, sOs best players of the three races right now?

Gd it. NO.
There's no "best players" of three races right now.
You can argue Innovation with Flash
Soulkey with Roro/Symbol
sOs with Rain/parting


It was more of a "these are the players I think are doing the best of the three races right now. What are your thoughts?"

Sorry if I offended you.

Oh okay, carry on.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33648 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 04:58:12
May 19 2013 04:57 GMT
#455
btw, to stay realistic about the Innovation hype train, don't forget TvT....

everyone was so quick to ignore that Life might be weak in a mirror when he made his championship runs at GSL/MLG, and then he was exposed two seasons in a row in that match-up

Innovation is showing GODLY TvZ, very good TvP, but his TvT is still vulnerable, despite being quite good
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 19 2013 04:58 GMT
#456
It would be funny if Symbol beats Bogus in the ro4 with only roach-baneling allins and nydus worm allins, like he has to every other terran.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 19 2013 04:58 GMT
#457
On May 19 2013 13:46 LighT. wrote:
So...I just HAD to drop this in.
So..Flash is the only player in all of SC2 to have a winning record vs Innovation?


Are we counting WoL?
Moderator
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:59 GMT
#458
On May 19 2013 13:58 Dodgin wrote:
It would be funny if Symbol beats Bogus in the ro4 with only roach-baneling allins and nydus worm allins, like he has to every other terran.

hyvaa is basically a miniatur version of symbol though.
he loves em timing attacks sans nydus worms.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
May 19 2013 04:59 GMT
#459
On May 19 2013 13:55 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:53 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:36 Black Gun wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:27 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:21 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Not exactly, INoVation needs to win a tournament at least, and across multiple regions.


Haha I don't think these "INnoVation must win something first" counter arguments are relevant at all. If players like INnoVation, Flash, Rain, Soulkey etc etc etc were playing SC2 back then, it would have been an entirely different scenario.

true, but mvp was dominant in all matchups whereas innovation only has this aura of inviciblity in his best matchup, tvz. remember how unbeatable mvp (in his prime) was in tvt? how dominant he was in tvz? and how he was able to win a gsl against almost only protoss opponents, very strong ones nonetheless, at a time where his wrists were already exploding and protoss had the upper hand in the pvt metagame? mvp has the ability to conjure victories out of nothing. so far, innovation has only shown this skill in tvz alone.


Realistically, I don't think he could dominate as easily in all MUs given the higher level of competition today vs. the time before KeSPA transitioned. These guys are definitely playing a notch higher.

The same could be easily said of any number of great players prior to the TBLS era, yet that doesn't diminish what they accomplished. Starcraft just like any other sport evolves over time and the skill level gets ever higher. That doesn't stop players who did great things in their own time from deserving recognition and respect for it.


There's a difference between players of different time eras, and players playing quite similar games in the same era.
gg no re thx
largehadroncollider
Profile Joined May 2013
United States88 Posts
May 19 2013 04:59 GMT
#460
On May 19 2013 13:55 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:53 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:36 Black Gun wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:27 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:21 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Not exactly, INoVation needs to win a tournament at least, and across multiple regions.


Haha I don't think these "INnoVation must win something first" counter arguments are relevant at all. If players like INnoVation, Flash, Rain, Soulkey etc etc etc were playing SC2 back then, it would have been an entirely different scenario.

true, but mvp was dominant in all matchups whereas innovation only has this aura of inviciblity in his best matchup, tvz. remember how unbeatable mvp (in his prime) was in tvt? how dominant he was in tvz? and how he was able to win a gsl against almost only protoss opponents, very strong ones nonetheless, at a time where his wrists were already exploding and protoss had the upper hand in the pvt metagame? mvp has the ability to conjure victories out of nothing. so far, innovation has only shown this skill in tvz alone.


Realistically, I don't think he could dominate as easily in all MUs given the higher level of competition today vs. the time before KeSPA transitioned. These guys are definitely playing a notch higher.

The same could be easily said of any number of great players prior to the TBLS era, yet that doesn't diminish what they accomplished. Starcraft just like any other sport evolves over time and the skill level gets ever higher. That doesn't stop players who did great things in their own time from deserving recognition and respect for it.


I think you just shifted to another topic. lol.
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