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United States97276 Posts
On May 19 2013 13:50 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:49 Kinky wrote: Innovation is literally miles ahead of the rest of the Kespa players now, with Flash trailing a little bit behind. In my eyes, it's: Innovation >>> Life >> Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone sOs 69+% win rate all matchups code s semifinals not good enough? beat innovation last time they played
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On May 19 2013 13:48 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:46 LighT. wrote: So...I just HAD to drop this in. So..Flash is the only player in all of SC2 to have a winning record vs Innovation? he's probably lost to someone in PL and never played them again Youre right. TurN: 1-0 100% SoS: 2-1 66% Flash: 5-3: 62.5%
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On May 19 2013 13:48 evergreensc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:47 Dodgin wrote:On May 19 2013 13:45 evergreensc wrote: Losing to EGTL and then getting all-killed next match.
I'm done with this season. Just done. Losing to EG-TL wasn't surprising, CJ was the worst team in Round 4 while EG-TL was 6th. No one is supposed to lose to EGTL.  EGTL has historically had less-awful-than-usual records against top teams like WJS, I think.
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On May 19 2013 13:50 zyzq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:49 Dodgin wrote: It's so weird for STX to have fangirls, back in BW I knew the ID of every STX fan on these forums, all 5 of them. stx has korean fangirls bcuz of calm and kal
weird cause I remember when they would do the player cheers the STX ones would always be like one guy saying it
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On May 19 2013 13:47 BisuDagger wrote: CJ so much better then this. Gah, they need to be really upset. The coaches need to get it togther.
It's Bogus man.
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On May 19 2013 13:50 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:49 Kinky wrote: Innovation is literally miles ahead of the rest of the Kespa players now, with Flash trailing a little bit behind. In my eyes, it's: Innovation >>> Life >> Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone
it's ridiculous to say Roro, Soulkey, Rain, and SoS are just a bunch of in-the-pack jobbers.
not to mention Parting and Symbol
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On May 19 2013 13:50 megapants wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:48 tuho12345 wrote: Innovation will start the next game as well. Oh god this will be so painful for the next team lol well the next one is WJS soooo that should be pretty hype  we might get a soulkey vs innovation gsl finals preview. ^^
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On May 19 2013 13:43 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote: This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first. to be dominating - no he doesn't. to compare him to Mvp, he does. go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit. there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple. I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you? Oh, you're one of those. Why didn't you just say so in the first place and not waste everyone's time? seeing your im sign I bother not even trying to touch your holy mvp fanboyism,
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United States4126 Posts
On May 19 2013 13:50 megapants wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:48 tuho12345 wrote: Innovation will start the next game as well. Oh god this will be so painful for the next team lol well the next one is WJS soooo that should be pretty hype  I wonder why he's the starter for both matches even though he has his WCS match to prepare for. If he allkills again and wins his match, he's got some godlike stamina.
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On May 19 2013 13:44 Ace Frehley wrote: Hero was in a good position, but threw it, bleh
Is it just me that notices 90% of the people on teamliquid don't understand the meaning of the "threw" or "throwing the match"?
Hero 'blew' it would be appropriate, saying he threw it suggests he lost on purpose.. Evrytime a player loses after being in a good position, all these posts come up about how they threw the matches which makes no sense, unless people really do think they lose on purpose :S
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On May 19 2013 13:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:50 TimENT wrote:On May 19 2013 13:49 Kinky wrote: Innovation is literally miles ahead of the rest of the Kespa players now, with Flash trailing a little bit behind. In my eyes, it's: Innovation >>> Life >> Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone sOs 69% win rate all matchups code s semifinals not good enough? beat innovation last time they played
Oh. I just don't watch Protoss.
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INnoVation finally knows SCV-pulled all in haha
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On May 19 2013 13:51 rj rl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:43 forsooth wrote:On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote: This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first. to be dominating - no he doesn't. to compare him to Mvp, he does. go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit. there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple. I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you? Oh, you're one of those. Why didn't you just say so in the first place and not waste everyone's time? seeing your im sign I bother not even trying to touch your holy mvp fanboyism, As opposed to shamelessly fellating the Kespa pros and pretending like everything that happened before the switchover is meaningless?
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On May 19 2013 13:36 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:27 largehadroncollider wrote:On May 19 2013 13:21 PhoenixVoid wrote:On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote: This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy Not exactly, INoVation needs to win a tournament at least, and across multiple regions. Haha I don't think these "INnoVation must win something first" counter arguments are relevant at all. If players like INnoVation, Flash, Rain, Soulkey etc etc etc were playing SC2 back then, it would have been an entirely different scenario. true, but mvp was dominant in all matchups whereas innovation only has this aura of inviciblity in his best matchup, tvz. remember how unbeatable mvp (in his prime) was in tvt? how dominant he was in tvz? and how he was able to win a gsl against almost only protoss opponents, very strong ones nonetheless, at a time where his wrists were already exploding and protoss had the upper hand in the pvt metagame? mvp has the ability to conjure victories out of nothing. so far, innovation has only shown this skill in tvz alone.
Realistically, I don't think he could dominate as easily in all MUs given the higher level of competition today vs. the time before KeSPA transitioned. These guys are definitely playing a notch higher.
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grats stx 
innovation with 3 all-kills now. that's nice.
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On May 19 2013 13:50 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:49 Kinky wrote: Innovation is literally miles ahead of the rest of the Kespa players now, with Flash trailing a little bit behind. In my eyes, it's: Innovation >>> Life >> Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone How is Innovation > Flash? If Flash is 5-3 against Innovation? Moreso.. Tier 1: Innovation/Flash/Life/sOs/Rain
Tier 2: Symbol/Taeja/SK/Roro/Parting
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Innovation, SoulKey, sOs best players of the three races right now?
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On May 19 2013 13:49 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 13:48 rj rl wrote:On May 19 2013 13:42 Popkiller wrote:On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote: This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first. to be dominating - no he doesn't. to compare him to Mvp, he does. go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit. there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple. I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you? so in a scene with even more gosus, how do we separate the best from the rest? how do we see who is truly dominating? by sheer statistics telling us bogus is 75% vP, 90% vZ, 50% vT, pretty decent no? Take into account that half of his vT are against Flash, half of his vP are against Rain both arguably are the best vT players of their races. Yet this is still being called hollow hype just because he hasn't won anything. It's not being called hollow hype, it's being called "we can't compare it to Mvp's 2011 run yet". Read more carefully please. your IM mate disagrees.
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even in Mvp's prime he didn't have extremely dominant TvP, just TvT and TvZ. It's actually funny because in 2012 and in HotS his TvP has been better than his TvT
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