• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:14
CEST 04:14
KST 11:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)24Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double Recent Patches and the Future Stellar Fest 1 Replay Pack
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Grand Finals SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder BW General Discussion a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing Where can I find Flash replays that work? Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread All you football fans (soccer)! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Violent-Cooperative Play and…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8647 users

[SPL] CJ Entus vs. STX SouL R5 - Page 22

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 20 21 22 23 24 27 Next All
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 04:51:50
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#421
On May 19 2013 13:50 TimENT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:49 Kinky wrote:
Innovation is literally miles ahead of the rest of the Kespa players now, with Flash trailing a little bit behind.


In my eyes, it's:
Innovation >>> Life >> Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone

sOs 69+% win rate all matchups code s semifinals not good enough? beat innovation last time they played
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#422
On May 19 2013 13:48 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:46 LighT. wrote:
So...I just HAD to drop this in.
So..Flash is the only player in all of SC2 to have a winning record vs Innovation?


he's probably lost to someone in PL and never played them again

Youre right.
TurN: 1-0 100%
SoS: 2-1 66%
Flash: 5-3: 62.5%
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#423
On May 19 2013 13:48 evergreensc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:47 Dodgin wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:45 evergreensc wrote:
Losing to EGTL and then getting all-killed next match.

I'm done with this season. Just done.


Losing to EG-TL wasn't surprising, CJ was the worst team in Round 4 while EG-TL was 6th.


No one is supposed to lose to EGTL.

EGTL has historically had less-awful-than-usual records against top teams like WJS, I think.
jjakji fan
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#424
On May 19 2013 13:50 zyzq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:49 Dodgin wrote:
It's so weird for STX to have fangirls, back in BW I knew the ID of every STX fan on these forums, all 5 of them.


stx has korean fangirls bcuz of calm and kal


weird cause I remember when they would do the player cheers the STX ones would always be like one guy saying it
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#425
On May 19 2013 13:47 BisuDagger wrote:
CJ so much better then this. Gah, they need to be really upset. The coaches need to get it togther.


It's Bogus man.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#426
sOs is our hope
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 04:54:42
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#427
On May 19 2013 13:50 TimENT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:49 Kinky wrote:
Innovation is literally miles ahead of the rest of the Kespa players now, with Flash trailing a little bit behind.


In my eyes, it's:
Innovation >>> Life >> Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone


it's ridiculous to say Roro, Soulkey, Rain, and SoS are just a bunch of in-the-pack jobbers.

not to mention Parting and Symbol
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#428
On May 19 2013 13:50 megapants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:48 tuho12345 wrote:
Innovation will start the next game as well. Oh god this will be so painful for the next team lol

well the next one is WJS soooo that should be pretty hype

we might get a soulkey vs innovation gsl finals preview. ^^
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#429
On May 19 2013 13:43 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?

Oh, you're one of those. Why didn't you just say so in the first place and not waste everyone's time?

seeing your im sign I bother not even trying to touch your holy mvp fanboyism,
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 04:51:57
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#430
On May 19 2013 13:50 megapants wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:48 tuho12345 wrote:
Innovation will start the next game as well. Oh god this will be so painful for the next team lol

well the next one is WJS soooo that should be pretty hype

I wonder why he's the starter for both matches even though he has his WCS match to prepare for. If he allkills again and wins his match, he's got some godlike stamina.
droppanda
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia176 Posts
May 19 2013 04:51 GMT
#431
On May 19 2013 13:44 Ace Frehley wrote:
Hero was in a good position, but threw it, bleh


Is it just me that notices 90% of the people on teamliquid don't understand the meaning of the "threw" or "throwing the match"?

Hero 'blew' it would be appropriate, saying he threw it suggests he lost on purpose..
Evrytime a player loses after being in a good position, all these posts come up about how they threw the matches which makes no sense, unless people really do think they lose on purpose :S
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
May 19 2013 04:52 GMT
#432
On May 19 2013 13:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:50 TimENT wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:49 Kinky wrote:
Innovation is literally miles ahead of the rest of the Kespa players now, with Flash trailing a little bit behind.


In my eyes, it's:
Innovation >>> Life >> Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone

sOs 69% win rate all matchups code s semifinals not good enough? beat innovation last time they played


Oh. I just don't watch Protoss.
Barcelona / Arsenal Fan!
[OGN]Remmy
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1206 Posts
May 19 2013 04:52 GMT
#433
INnoVation finally knows SCV-pulled all in haha
指原莉乃 應援
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
May 19 2013 04:52 GMT
#434
On May 19 2013 13:51 rj rl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:43 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?

Oh, you're one of those. Why didn't you just say so in the first place and not waste everyone's time?

seeing your im sign I bother not even trying to touch your holy mvp fanboyism,

As opposed to shamelessly fellating the Kespa pros and pretending like everything that happened before the switchover is meaningless?
largehadroncollider
Profile Joined May 2013
United States88 Posts
May 19 2013 04:53 GMT
#435
On May 19 2013 13:36 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:27 largehadroncollider wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:21 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Not exactly, INoVation needs to win a tournament at least, and across multiple regions.


Haha I don't think these "INnoVation must win something first" counter arguments are relevant at all. If players like INnoVation, Flash, Rain, Soulkey etc etc etc were playing SC2 back then, it would have been an entirely different scenario.

true, but mvp was dominant in all matchups whereas innovation only has this aura of inviciblity in his best matchup, tvz. remember how unbeatable mvp (in his prime) was in tvt? how dominant he was in tvz? and how he was able to win a gsl against almost only protoss opponents, very strong ones nonetheless, at a time where his wrists were already exploding and protoss had the upper hand in the pvt metagame? mvp has the ability to conjure victories out of nothing. so far, innovation has only shown this skill in tvz alone.


Realistically, I don't think he could dominate as easily in all MUs given the higher level of competition today vs. the time before KeSPA transitioned. These guys are definitely playing a notch higher.
still alive
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
May 19 2013 04:53 GMT
#436
grats stx

innovation with 3 all-kills now. that's nice.
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 19 2013 04:53 GMT
#437
On May 19 2013 13:50 TimENT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:49 Kinky wrote:
Innovation is literally miles ahead of the rest of the Kespa players now, with Flash trailing a little bit behind.


In my eyes, it's:
Innovation >>> Life >> Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone

How is Innovation > Flash?
If Flash is 5-3 against Innovation?
Moreso..
Tier 1: Innovation/Flash/Life/sOs/Rain

Tier 2: Symbol/Taeja/SK/Roro/Parting
evergreensc
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
May 19 2013 04:54 GMT
#438
Innovation, SoulKey, sOs best players of the three races right now?
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
May 19 2013 04:54 GMT
#439
On May 19 2013 13:49 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:48 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:42 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?


so in a scene with even more gosus, how do we separate the best from the rest? how do we see who is truly dominating?

by sheer statistics telling us bogus is 75% vP, 90% vZ, 50% vT, pretty decent no? Take into account that half of his vT are against Flash, half of his vP are against Rain both arguably are the best vT players of their races. Yet this is still being called hollow hype just because he hasn't won anything.


It's not being called hollow hype, it's being called "we can't compare it to Mvp's 2011 run yet". Read more carefully please.

your IM mate disagrees.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 19 2013 04:54 GMT
#440
even in Mvp's prime he didn't have extremely dominant TvP, just TvT and TvZ. It's actually funny because in 2012 and in HotS his TvP has been better than his TvT
Prev 1 20 21 22 23 24 27 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 46m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 148
Nina 96
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 12221
Rain 2252
Artosis 667
Dewaltoss 29
Bale 25
NaDa 25
Dota 2
monkeys_forever501
NeuroSwarm222
League of Legends
Doublelift4944
Counter-Strike
taco 589
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1602
ArmadaUGS307
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor1580
WinterStarcraft549
Other Games
summit1g9084
JimRising 615
PiGStarcraft394
C9.Mang0208
Maynarde171
ViBE118
ZombieGrub7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick851
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream128
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 111
• davetesta29
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki9
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
7h 46m
OSC
10h 46m
Stellar Fest
10h 46m
OSC
21h 46m
Stellar Fest
1d 10h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Online Event
2 days
FEL
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
INu's Battles
3 days
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
INu's Battles
5 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-27
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.