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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19387 Posts
May 19 2013 04:47 GMT
#401
CJ so much better then this. Gah, they need to be really upset. The coaches need to get it togther.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
May 19 2013 04:47 GMT
#402
On May 19 2013 13:44 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:42 playa wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:39 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:37 playa wrote:
Anyone know if "Innovation" (43-2 GM) on NA is the real one? Getting desperate to find a challenge perhaps.


The 2 losses should be a dead give away that it isn't Innovation.

On May 19 2013 13:37 Mohdoo wrote:
If Innovation comes out ahead against an unscouted proxy oracle...I just don't even know man.


On May 19 2013 13:38 evergreensc wrote:
He lost almost nothing. :l



People lose games, and to people that they shouldn't lose to. It happens. And on NA, there's a lot of hackers, too.

well, i think 99.9% of all players would lose horribly to innovation even with, say, maphack on.


If it helps... I played him and he had 192 or 196 Blizzard APM, w/e that equates to.
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
May 19 2013 04:47 GMT
#403
So how long till someone translates that article and puts it on another sc2 community site?
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 19 2013 04:48 GMT
#404
On May 19 2013 13:46 LighT. wrote:
So...I just HAD to drop this in.
So..Flash is the only player in all of SC2 to have a winning record vs Innovation?


he's probably lost to someone in PL and never played them again
evergreensc
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
May 19 2013 04:48 GMT
#405
On May 19 2013 13:47 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:45 evergreensc wrote:
Losing to EGTL and then getting all-killed next match.

I'm done with this season. Just done.


Losing to EG-TL wasn't surprising, CJ was the worst team in Round 4 while EG-TL was 6th.


No one is supposed to lose to EGTL.
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
May 19 2013 04:48 GMT
#406
On May 19 2013 13:42 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?


so in a scene with even more gosus, how do we separate the best from the rest? how do we see who is truly dominating?

by sheer statistics telling us bogus is 75% vP, 90% vZ, 50% vT, pretty decent no? Take into account that half of his vT are against Flash, half of his vP are against Rain both arguably are the best vT players of their races. Yet this is still being called hollow hype just because he hasn't won anything.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
May 19 2013 04:48 GMT
#407
Innovation will start the next game as well. Oh god this will be so painful for the next team lol
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
May 19 2013 04:48 GMT
#408
The only thing I can see defeating INoVation is his unusually low body weight for his height, and him collapsing from lack of energy.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 19 2013 04:49 GMT
#409
It's so weird for STX to have fangirls, back in BW I knew the ID of every STX fan on these forums, all 5 of them.
UberNuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
May 19 2013 04:49 GMT
#410
Maybe I am missing something, but STX only has two wins this season, so how does Innovation have three all-kills?

O.O
the absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
May 19 2013 04:49 GMT
#411
Innovation is literally miles ahead of the rest of the Kespa players now, with Flash trailing a little bit behind.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 19 2013 04:49 GMT
#412
On May 19 2013 13:48 rj rl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:42 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?


so in a scene with even more gosus, how do we separate the best from the rest? how do we see who is truly dominating?

by sheer statistics telling us bogus is 75% vP, 90% vZ, 50% vT, pretty decent no? Take into account that half of his vT are against Flash, half of his vP are against Rain both arguably are the best vT players of their races. Yet this is still being called hollow hype just because he hasn't won anything.


It's not being called hollow hype, it's being called "we can't compare it to Mvp's 2011 run yet". Read more carefully please.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
May 19 2013 04:49 GMT
#413
On May 19 2013 13:49 UberNuB wrote:
Maybe I am missing something, but STX only has two wins this season, so how does Innovation have three all-kills?

O.O

They meant for this whole SPL season, not just this round.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
May 19 2013 04:50 GMT
#414
On May 19 2013 13:49 Dodgin wrote:
It's so weird for STX to have fangirls, back in BW I knew the ID of every STX fan on these forums, all 5 of them.


stx has korean fangirls bcuz of calm and kal
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
May 19 2013 04:50 GMT
#415
On May 19 2013 13:49 Kinky wrote:
Innovation is literally miles ahead of the rest of the Kespa players now, with Flash trailing a little bit behind.


In my eyes, it's:
Innovation >>> Life >> Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone
Barcelona / Arsenal Fan!
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
May 19 2013 04:50 GMT
#416
On May 19 2013 13:48 rj rl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:42 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?


so in a scene with even more gosus, how do we separate the best from the rest? how do we see who is truly dominating?

by sheer statistics telling us bogus is 75% vP, 90% vZ, 50% vT, pretty decent no? Take into account that half of his vT are against Flash, half of his vP are against Rain both arguably are the best vT players of their races. Yet this is still being called hollow hype just because he hasn't won anything.

Compared to what Mvp did in 2011, yes, it is.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
May 19 2013 04:50 GMT
#417
On May 19 2013 13:46 LighT. wrote:
So...I just HAD to drop this in.
So..Flash is the only player in all of SC2 to have a winning record vs Innovation?

Turn 1-0 INnoVation
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
May 19 2013 04:50 GMT
#418
On May 19 2013 13:48 rj rl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 13:42 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:37 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:33 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:30 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:28 Popkiller wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:26 rj rl wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:20 forsooth wrote:
On May 19 2013 13:18 Talack wrote:
This is more dominate than MVP's 2011 run, just crazy

Let's not get carried away, Innovation needs to actually win something first.

to be dominating - no he doesn't.


to compare him to Mvp, he does.

go compare jjakji and sniper to mvp then, so far you sound like a defending fanboy a bit.


there are guys who have won multiple GSLs and foreign tournaments, and there are guys who haven't. it's pretty simple.

I will pretend that foreign tournaments aren't irrelevant at all and answer to your whole message: the scene evolves and gets by far more gosu dense each year. Is it not simple for you?


so in a scene with even more gosus, how do we separate the best from the rest? how do we see who is truly dominating?

by sheer statistics telling us bogus is 75% vP, 90% vZ, 50% vT, pretty decent no? Take into account that half of his vT are against Flash, half of his vP are against Rain both arguably are the best vT players of their races. Yet this is still being called hollow hype just because he hasn't won anything.


it's not hollow hype. it's legit hype. but that doesn't stop it from meaning nothing at the end of the day. you play to win, so until you win tournaments all your win percentages come with a huge asterisk by them. I fully expect Innovation to win this GSL, but if he doesn't then it is perfectly fair to knock him down a peg until he wins something.
megapants
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1314 Posts
May 19 2013 04:50 GMT
#419
On May 19 2013 13:48 tuho12345 wrote:
Innovation will start the next game as well. Oh god this will be so painful for the next team lol

well the next one is WJS soooo that should be pretty hype
lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
May 19 2013 04:50 GMT
#420
wow all kill. good stuff!
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