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On May 17 2013 04:45 megapants wrote:
so i watched roro vs innovation game 3 again just now and its clear that roro threw the game after taking down innovation's scvs
innovation was left with 4 hellbats and 2 medivacs after killing off all of roro's queens, leaving not only his anti-air defense bare, but his production as well. roro decided to build drones (like 15 of them) before restarting his queens and once the final attack hit his base he wasn't able to build enough units due to the damage that innovation returned, basically uncontested.
9:45 roro has 1 queen, innovation has 4 medivacs 6 hellbats
10:07 roro starts 5 drones, then 2 more drones
10:45 roro starts 4 more drones as 3 hellbats get into his natural, then 3 more drones as his drones die
12:00 roro starts 2 queens
13:20 innovation kills roro's 3rd base
14:00 roro's natural is under fire by hellbats and marauders
so yeah, roro choked and continued to build drones even after he killed off innovation's entire economy when all he needed to turn it into a win was build queens and spores first
Exactly what happened. Roro built no queens for like 2 minutes, There's no way to hold off that many hellbats in medivacs with just roaches and drones.
Hellbats need that damn heal removed, and I'm a terran!
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On May 17 2013 04:57 Sevredol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 04:45 megapants wrote:
so i watched roro vs innovation game 3 again just now and its clear that roro threw the game after taking down innovation's scvs
innovation was left with 4 hellbats and 2 medivacs after killing off all of roro's queens, leaving not only his anti-air defense bare, but his production as well. roro decided to build drones (like 15 of them) before restarting his queens and once the final attack hit his base he wasn't able to build enough units due to the damage that innovation returned, basically uncontested.
9:45 roro has 1 queen, innovation has 4 medivacs 6 hellbats
10:07 roro starts 5 drones, then 2 more drones
10:45 roro starts 4 more drones as 3 hellbats get into his natural, then 3 more drones as his drones die
12:00 roro starts 2 queens
13:20 innovation kills roro's 3rd base
14:00 roro's natural is under fire by hellbats and marauders
so yeah, roro choked and continued to build drones even after he killed off innovation's entire economy when all he needed to turn it into a win was build queens and spores first Exactly what happened. Roro built no queens for like 2 minutes, There's no way to hold off that many hellbats in medivacs with just roaches and drones. Hellbats need that damn heal removed, and I'm a terran!
I personally use hellbats in TvP to deal with chargelots, and I need my a-move unit to deal with Protoss a-move unit.
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On May 17 2013 05:28 Emzeeshady wrote:
Symbol knows how to play ZvT right now
All in or die. Silly Life, going for macro games vs Terran.
Actually symbol is just exploiting the metagame a bit. More zergs need to start doing this since Terrans are just going for super greedy openings or tech builds which leave them vulnerable to all ins. Once zergs start doing a lot of allins then terrans will probably tone down their openings a bit allowing zerg to be on a more even ground in the late game.
In any case hellbat heal is too strong...
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On May 17 2013 06:02 Emzeeshady wrote:
Right now Zerg is only winning via all ins. Once Terran puts a stop to them... :/
They can only put a stop to them by not using laughably greedy 3cc into tech builds, which helps Zerg be in better shape in midgame.
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On May 16 2013 23:27 Gorlin wrote:
Hell yeah Symbol! I think he can definitely take down Innovation. Remember that Symbol knocked out Innovation last season as well, and Innovation was almost equally as hyped then as he is now.
Yeah, but that was WoL, which is basically a different game :p
Innovation looked really strong, and if he does his homework against Symbol and doesn't get sniped, I can't really see him not going to the finals.
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On May 17 2013 06:36 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 23:27 Gorlin wrote:
Hell yeah Symbol! I think he can definitely take down Innovation. Remember that Symbol knocked out Innovation last season as well, and Innovation was almost equally as hyped then as he is now. Yeah, but that was WoL, which is basically a different game :p Innovation looked really strong, and if he does his homework against Symbol and doesn't get sniped, I can't really see him not going to the finals.
yea I'm really worried for Symbol lol, they should have an ambulence on standby
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Yeah Symbol! My boyy! Mah boyyy! I love his powerfist when he wins, I always do it along with him.
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On May 17 2013 05:46 WickedBit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 05:28 Emzeeshady wrote:
Symbol knows how to play ZvT right now
All in or die. Silly Life, going for macro games vs Terran. Actually symbol is just exploiting the metagame a bit. More zergs need to start doing this since Terrans are just going for super greedy openings or tech builds which leave them vulnerable to all ins. Once zergs start doing a lot of allins then terrans will probably tone down their openings a bit allowing zerg to be on a more even ground in the late game. In any case hellbat heal is too strong...
This is one of those things that's so weird about balance discussions. People complain about the widow mine and the hellbat and so on, but really, balance mostly pivots on how much greed each race can get away with. I've felt that recently terran can be so greedy that they can just overwhelm the zerg, but this is also very volatile since it can change next metagame shift.
On May 17 2013 06:48 monkybone wrote:
Innovation is the reason I watch this game
seriously, he is so badass
fun fact, innovation and flash are younger than almost all foreign players in the wcs (they're 19&20)
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Well I think innovation is good but still over hyped. That last game was just bad by roro I mean I know its a lot harder when you cant see what is happening, but your up by what 50 scv kills? Lets see what is the only way possible for terran to try to come back? Oh yeah fast medivacs maybe put up spines and spores at your bases he just donated that last game to innovation
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On May 17 2013 00:23 shell wrote:
This is the one thing i never really understand in BW/SC!
why do nerd males talk so much about the looks of players?
Do you do the same thing with football players? Ribery is ugly.. we all know that but it's never a argument and it will never make him have less fans(only if it's female fans)..
Inovation has less fans because he is not atractive like Bisu? that's just rubish
I think these comments are referring to female fans in Korea. But yeah I've seen some post that "X is so cute" etc etc, but maybe because http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147829
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Symbol vs Innovation will be a reenactment of Calm vs Fantasy.
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The amount of hate Symbol got here was simply staggering! It was amazing to see the anti-Hellbat whiners clam up...in order to make room for every single whiner that could possibly fit into the thread rage on about roach-bane all-ins. Give him some credit guys, did he or did he not advance to the semis today? I don't know what he has in store for Innovation, nor how it will fare against Innovation's superb level of play. I can only congratulate him and wish him luck in the semifinals!
As just one more note, just because one may not like Symbol's playstyle now wouldn't be a reason to go about denouncing his career, which has been relatively successful so far. Remember that engagement vs. Parting? Ultras, banes, and infestors absolutely annihilating what was once a strong Protoss army.
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On May 17 2013 09:09 largehadroncollider wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 00:23 shell wrote:
This is the one thing i never really understand in BW/SC!
why do nerd males talk so much about the looks of players?
Do you do the same thing with football players? Ribery is ugly.. we all know that but it's never a argument and it will never make him have less fans(only if it's female fans)..
Inovation has less fans because he is not atractive like Bisu? that's just rubish I think these comments are referring to female fans in Korea. But yeah I've seen some post that "X is so cute" etc etc, but maybe because http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147829
Pretty much two reasons. Either we're comfortable about talking about looks of people we're not actually attracted to (which not everyone is. I wasn't for years) or we're actually attracted to them.
As a category A person, I'll tell you Leenock is freaking adorable.
People talk about the looks of anyone in the public eye. It's probably just more interesting in the nerd culture zones. There's just as much chat in LoL about looks for sure. They just haven't made a thread titled "HotshotGG's Body".
On May 17 2013 10:24 ppshchik wrote:
Symbol vs Innovation will be a reenactment of Calm vs Fantasy.
Sorry I don't know the reference, please explain =)
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How can you not find Liquid HerO's face the most beautiful thing you've ever seen, is what I would ask you LHC shell.
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