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On May 15 2013 05:34 StarStruck wrote:Oh I missed this. Anyway, none of these results really surprise me. At least you made it close PartinG. Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 03:55 HolyArrow wrote:On May 15 2013 03:25 heartagram wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room shh man, you're not allowed to say stuff like that. Just sit back and be happy and content as you watch as Kespa wins the 2nd GSL in a row and more and more flood into Code A / Code S. But remember, they are on equal level. Yeah because close 3-2 series = huge skill difference. It's always funny seeing people react to whenever a Kespa player wins because all they do is focus on the fact that the player won, rather than how close the match was. As for me, I'm just glad that the Toss hope has been kept alive in the GSL! Um Protoss haven't really doing as bad as you might think. They've been doing fairly well in HotS thus far.
Where did I say Protoss was doing badly? I don't see how I was implying that merely by stating that I'm happy that a Protoss has remained in the running in this specific tournament.
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On May 15 2013 04:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 04:04 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means. It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol
That's a complicated question, but I think very many BW fans if you asked them "who will be the best players one year from now?" would answear Bogus and Soulkey (and Rain if they knew how good he was). The most promising rookies and young players in BW are for a good part the best sc2 players today: sHy, Bogus, Sun... Of course, there are outliers (Roro...) and some promising rookies who didn't become as good in sc2 as they were looking to be in BW (Mini, Hon_Sin, Turn, Trap etc)... But there definitely is a good correlation between BW skill and sc2 skill I would say.
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Why did I find so much hate in the thread for shy not playing standard? lol The whole appeal of his play is that it is so unique and yet super solid. This is the sc2 version of someone getting mad someone cross dresses or something "how dare you be different!" the guy has been dominating in proleague and went b < a < s and straight to ro4 and could still make the finals if he beats SK.
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On May 15 2013 05:44 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 04:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 04:04 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means. It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol That's a complicated question, but I think very many BW fans if you asked them "who will be the best players one year from now?" would answear Bogus and Soulkey (and Rain if they knew how good he was). The most promising rookies and young players in BW are for a good part the best sc2 players today: sHy, Bogus, Sun... Of course, there are outliers (Roro...) and some promising rookies who didn't become as good in sc2 as they were looking to be in BW (Mini, Hon_Sin, Turn, Trap etc)... But there definitely is a good correlation between BW skill and sc2 skill I would say.
It's convenient to say that now, but it's a little late since it's already been revealed who the good players are. If you showed me evidence that the players who are doing really well in SC2 right now were players that many BW fans were hyping up to be the future top talent of BW before Kespa players moved to SC2, then I'd be less skeptical.
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On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins.
The point is that people who don´t agree with the elephant theory, always divert what was wrote.
When it was simple as the OP did an TL/DR:
On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
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On May 15 2013 06:19 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 05:44 Elroi wrote:On May 15 2013 04:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 04:04 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means. It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol That's a complicated question, but I think very many BW fans if you asked them "who will be the best players one year from now?" would answear Bogus and Soulkey (and Rain if they knew how good he was). The most promising rookies and young players in BW are for a good part the best sc2 players today: sHy, Bogus, Sun... Of course, there are outliers (Roro...) and some promising rookies who didn't become as good in sc2 as they were looking to be in BW (Mini, Hon_Sin, Turn, Trap etc)... But there definitely is a good correlation between BW skill and sc2 skill I would say. It's convenient to say that now, but it's a little late since it's already been revealed who the good players are. If you showed me evidence that the players who are doing really well in SC2 right now were players that many BW fans were hyping up to be the future top talent of BW before Kespa players moved to SC2, then I'd be less skeptical.
About Bogus and Soulkey, ask anybody really (they were both the aces of their PL teams...). Soulkey was even regarded by most as the best BW zerg in the world at the time of the switch to sc2. Rain was one of the strongest up and coming protosses, but only fans who followed the scene closely would know how good he was.
At the same time: TBLS is not what they were (obviously, only Flash being s-class now), Roro was no way near the top in BW (he was a solid a-teamer, comparable to Mvp, not more) and some guys like herO[join] were more or less completely unknown.
It is interesting to compare the prominent players before and after the switch in each of the kespa teams. It would look something like this I think (though I probably forgot about some players):
KT: Flash/Stats/Wookie (BW) --> Flash/Stats (?)/Wookie (SC2)
Khan: Stork/Jangbi/Reality (?) --> Jangbi/Roro/Reality (?)
STX: Bogus/Calm/Trap --> Bogus/Trap
T8: TY/Argo/Tyson (JD traded)-->TY/Argo/Cure
WJS: Soulkey/Zero/Light --> Soulkey/sHy/Flying
CJ: Effort/Hydra/Leta/Horang2--> Effort/Hydra/herO
SKT: Bisu/Best/Fantasy --> Rain/Fantasy/soO (and Parting)
(This is just to get you an idea, of course this is very debatable)
Of all the new players that broke through in the KeSPA teams, only herO really came from nowhere, all the others were strong and known rookies. Some a-teamers (like Roro and Jaehoon) became really good, and some s-class players (Bisu, Jaedong, Stork) became regular a-team level players.
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On May 15 2013 06:42 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 06:19 HolyArrow wrote:On May 15 2013 05:44 Elroi wrote:On May 15 2013 04:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 04:04 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means. It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol That's a complicated question, but I think very many BW fans if you asked them "who will be the best players one year from now?" would answear Bogus and Soulkey (and Rain if they knew how good he was). The most promising rookies and young players in BW are for a good part the best sc2 players today: sHy, Bogus, Sun... Of course, there are outliers (Roro...) and some promising rookies who didn't become as good in sc2 as they were looking to be in BW (Mini, Hon_Sin, Turn, Trap etc)... But there definitely is a good correlation between BW skill and sc2 skill I would say. It's convenient to say that now, but it's a little late since it's already been revealed who the good players are. If you showed me evidence that the players who are doing really well in SC2 right now were players that many BW fans were hyping up to be the future top talent of BW before Kespa players moved to SC2, then I'd be less skeptical. About Bogus and Soulkey, ask anybody really (they were both the aces of their PL teams...). Soulkey was even regarded by most as the best BW zerg in the world at the time of the switch to sc2. Rain was one of the strongest up and coming protosses, but only fans who followed the scene closely would know how good he was. At the same time: TBLS is not what they were (obviously, only Flash being s-class now), Roro was no way near the top in BW (he was a solid a-teamer, comparable to Mvp, not more) and some guys like herO[join] were more or less completely unknown. It is interesting to compare the prominent players before and after the switch in each of the kespa teams. It would look something like this I think (though I probably forgot about some players): KT: Flash/Stats/Wookie (BW) --> Flash/Stats (?)/Wookie (SC2) Khan: Stork/Jangbi/Reality (?) --> Jangbi/Roro/Reality (?) STX: Bogus/Calm/Trap --> Bogus/Trap T8: TY/Argo/Tyson (JD traded)-->TY/Argo/Cure WJS: Soulkey/Zero/Light --> Soulkey/sHy/Flying CJ: Effort/Hydra/Leta/Horang2--> Effort/Hydra/herO SKT: Bisu/Best/Fantasy --> Rain/Fantasy/soO (and Parting) (This is just to get you an idea, of course this is very debatable) Of all the new players that broke through in the KeSPA teams, only herO really came from nowhere, all the others were strong and known rookies. Some a-teamers (like Roro and Jaehoon) became really good, and some s-class players (Bisu, Jaedong, Stork) became regular a-team level players.
Whoa whoa. You're going too far.
Soulkey best Zerg? Better than Zero, Effort, Hydra and Jaedong? He hit like 2-3 last Power Ranks but he wasn't the Elephant people were expecting.
Bogus was ace of STX? Well it's worth to remember that the last proleague (BW) STX ended on sixth place - just ahead Team 8 (which was horrible) and Airforce Ace (which was airforce ace) but I don't think he was considered "the Elephant" caliber of players. He was rock solid regular terran who was shining a bit only when "better" players where underperforming.
The thing is that - with a bit surprising exception of Flash - the top-notch players in SC:BW are not top-notch players in SC2 even if they are still good. Plus they are not nearly as overpowering as Elephant theory was trying to tell us.
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On May 15 2013 07:16 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 06:42 Elroi wrote:On May 15 2013 06:19 HolyArrow wrote:On May 15 2013 05:44 Elroi wrote:On May 15 2013 04:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 04:04 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means. It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol That's a complicated question, but I think very many BW fans if you asked them "who will be the best players one year from now?" would answear Bogus and Soulkey (and Rain if they knew how good he was). The most promising rookies and young players in BW are for a good part the best sc2 players today: sHy, Bogus, Sun... Of course, there are outliers (Roro...) and some promising rookies who didn't become as good in sc2 as they were looking to be in BW (Mini, Hon_Sin, Turn, Trap etc)... But there definitely is a good correlation between BW skill and sc2 skill I would say. It's convenient to say that now, but it's a little late since it's already been revealed who the good players are. If you showed me evidence that the players who are doing really well in SC2 right now were players that many BW fans were hyping up to be the future top talent of BW before Kespa players moved to SC2, then I'd be less skeptical. About Bogus and Soulkey, ask anybody really (they were both the aces of their PL teams...). Soulkey was even regarded by most as the best BW zerg in the world at the time of the switch to sc2. Rain was one of the strongest up and coming protosses, but only fans who followed the scene closely would know how good he was. At the same time: TBLS is not what they were (obviously, only Flash being s-class now), Roro was no way near the top in BW (he was a solid a-teamer, comparable to Mvp, not more) and some guys like herO[join] were more or less completely unknown. It is interesting to compare the prominent players before and after the switch in each of the kespa teams. It would look something like this I think (though I probably forgot about some players): KT: Flash/Stats/Wookie (BW) --> Flash/Stats (?)/Wookie (SC2) Khan: Stork/Jangbi/Reality (?) --> Jangbi/Roro/Reality (?) STX: Bogus/Calm/Trap --> Bogus/Trap T8: TY/Argo/Tyson (JD traded)-->TY/Argo/Cure WJS: Soulkey/Zero/Light --> Soulkey/sHy/Flying CJ: Effort/Hydra/Leta/Horang2--> Effort/Hydra/herO SKT: Bisu/Best/Fantasy --> Rain/Fantasy/soO (and Parting) (This is just to get you an idea, of course this is very debatable) Of all the new players that broke through in the KeSPA teams, only herO really came from nowhere, all the others were strong and known rookies. Some a-teamers (like Roro and Jaehoon) became really good, and some s-class players (Bisu, Jaedong, Stork) became regular a-team level players. Whoa whoa. You're going too far. Soulkey best Zerg? Better than Zero, Effort, Hydra and Jaedong? He hit like 2-3 last Power Ranks but he wasn't the Elephant people were expecting. Bogus was ace of STX? Well it's worth to remember that the last proleague (BW) STX ended on sixth place - just ahead Team 8 (which was horrible) and Airforce Ace (which was airforce ace) but I don't think he was considered "the Elephant" caliber of players. He was rock solid regular terran who was shining a bit only when "better" players where underperforming. The thing is that - with a bit surprising exception of Flash - the top-notch players in SC:BW are not top-notch players in SC2 even if they are still good. Plus they are not nearly as overpowering as Elephant theory was trying to tell us.
SK was 2-3 in the last Power ranks? He was the highest ranked zerg in the last two BW rankings. I don't have time to argue more tonight, but it is an interesting and complicated question, and I might give you a better answer tomorrow (if this isn't too much off topic. I don't want to start a flame war -____-)
Short version of my answer: this shows that BW skill didn't translate directly into SC2, but there is an obvious correlation between high skill in BW and high skill in SC2. And it is also obvious that young players in BW transfered more easily to the new game.
(I don't want to discuss the "elephant article")
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On May 15 2013 07:16 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 06:42 Elroi wrote:On May 15 2013 06:19 HolyArrow wrote:On May 15 2013 05:44 Elroi wrote:On May 15 2013 04:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 04:04 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means. It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol That's a complicated question, but I think very many BW fans if you asked them "who will be the best players one year from now?" would answear Bogus and Soulkey (and Rain if they knew how good he was). The most promising rookies and young players in BW are for a good part the best sc2 players today: sHy, Bogus, Sun... Of course, there are outliers (Roro...) and some promising rookies who didn't become as good in sc2 as they were looking to be in BW (Mini, Hon_Sin, Turn, Trap etc)... But there definitely is a good correlation between BW skill and sc2 skill I would say. It's convenient to say that now, but it's a little late since it's already been revealed who the good players are. If you showed me evidence that the players who are doing really well in SC2 right now were players that many BW fans were hyping up to be the future top talent of BW before Kespa players moved to SC2, then I'd be less skeptical. About Bogus and Soulkey, ask anybody really (they were both the aces of their PL teams...). Soulkey was even regarded by most as the best BW zerg in the world at the time of the switch to sc2. Rain was one of the strongest up and coming protosses, but only fans who followed the scene closely would know how good he was. At the same time: TBLS is not what they were (obviously, only Flash being s-class now), Roro was no way near the top in BW (he was a solid a-teamer, comparable to Mvp, not more) and some guys like herO[join] were more or less completely unknown. It is interesting to compare the prominent players before and after the switch in each of the kespa teams. It would look something like this I think (though I probably forgot about some players): KT: Flash/Stats/Wookie (BW) --> Flash/Stats (?)/Wookie (SC2) Khan: Stork/Jangbi/Reality (?) --> Jangbi/Roro/Reality (?) STX: Bogus/Calm/Trap --> Bogus/Trap T8: TY/Argo/Tyson (JD traded)-->TY/Argo/Cure WJS: Soulkey/Zero/Light --> Soulkey/sHy/Flying CJ: Effort/Hydra/Leta/Horang2--> Effort/Hydra/herO SKT: Bisu/Best/Fantasy --> Rain/Fantasy/soO (and Parting) (This is just to get you an idea, of course this is very debatable) Of all the new players that broke through in the KeSPA teams, only herO really came from nowhere, all the others were strong and known rookies. Some a-teamers (like Roro and Jaehoon) became really good, and some s-class players (Bisu, Jaedong, Stork) became regular a-team level players. Whoa whoa. You're going too far. Soulkey best Zerg? Better than Zero, Effort, Hydra and Jaedong? He hit like 2-3 last Power Ranks but he wasn't the Elephant people were expecting. Bogus was ace of STX? Well it's worth to remember that the last proleague (BW) STX ended on sixth place - just ahead Team 8 (which was horrible) and Airforce Ace (which was airforce ace) but I don't think he was considered "the Elephant" caliber of players. He was rock solid regular terran who was shining a bit only when "better" players where underperforming. The thing is that - with a bit surprising exception of Flash - the top-notch players in SC:BW are not top-notch players in SC2 even if they are still good. Plus they are not nearly as overpowering as Elephant theory was trying to tell us.
Even Kespa b-teamers are elephants according to the article, everyone is "elephant caliber".
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On May 15 2013 07:24 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 07:16 nimdil wrote:On May 15 2013 06:42 Elroi wrote:On May 15 2013 06:19 HolyArrow wrote:On May 15 2013 05:44 Elroi wrote:On May 15 2013 04:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 04:04 Charlie.Sheen wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means. It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol That's a complicated question, but I think very many BW fans if you asked them "who will be the best players one year from now?" would answear Bogus and Soulkey (and Rain if they knew how good he was). The most promising rookies and young players in BW are for a good part the best sc2 players today: sHy, Bogus, Sun... Of course, there are outliers (Roro...) and some promising rookies who didn't become as good in sc2 as they were looking to be in BW (Mini, Hon_Sin, Turn, Trap etc)... But there definitely is a good correlation between BW skill and sc2 skill I would say. It's convenient to say that now, but it's a little late since it's already been revealed who the good players are. If you showed me evidence that the players who are doing really well in SC2 right now were players that many BW fans were hyping up to be the future top talent of BW before Kespa players moved to SC2, then I'd be less skeptical. About Bogus and Soulkey, ask anybody really (they were both the aces of their PL teams...). Soulkey was even regarded by most as the best BW zerg in the world at the time of the switch to sc2. Rain was one of the strongest up and coming protosses, but only fans who followed the scene closely would know how good he was. At the same time: TBLS is not what they were (obviously, only Flash being s-class now), Roro was no way near the top in BW (he was a solid a-teamer, comparable to Mvp, not more) and some guys like herO[join] were more or less completely unknown. It is interesting to compare the prominent players before and after the switch in each of the kespa teams. It would look something like this I think (though I probably forgot about some players): KT: Flash/Stats/Wookie (BW) --> Flash/Stats (?)/Wookie (SC2) Khan: Stork/Jangbi/Reality (?) --> Jangbi/Roro/Reality (?) STX: Bogus/Calm/Trap --> Bogus/Trap T8: TY/Argo/Tyson (JD traded)-->TY/Argo/Cure WJS: Soulkey/Zero/Light --> Soulkey/sHy/Flying CJ: Effort/Hydra/Leta/Horang2--> Effort/Hydra/herO SKT: Bisu/Best/Fantasy --> Rain/Fantasy/soO (and Parting) (This is just to get you an idea, of course this is very debatable) Of all the new players that broke through in the KeSPA teams, only herO really came from nowhere, all the others were strong and known rookies. Some a-teamers (like Roro and Jaehoon) became really good, and some s-class players (Bisu, Jaedong, Stork) became regular a-team level players. Whoa whoa. You're going too far. Soulkey best Zerg? Better than Zero, Effort, Hydra and Jaedong? He hit like 2-3 last Power Ranks but he wasn't the Elephant people were expecting. Bogus was ace of STX? Well it's worth to remember that the last proleague (BW) STX ended on sixth place - just ahead Team 8 (which was horrible) and Airforce Ace (which was airforce ace) but I don't think he was considered "the Elephant" caliber of players. He was rock solid regular terran who was shining a bit only when "better" players where underperforming. The thing is that - with a bit surprising exception of Flash - the top-notch players in SC:BW are not top-notch players in SC2 even if they are still good. Plus they are not nearly as overpowering as Elephant theory was trying to tell us. SK was 2-3 in the last Power ranks? He was the highest ranked zerg in the last two BW rankings. I don't have time to argue more tonight, but it is an interesting and complicated question, and I might give you a better answer tomorrow (if this isn't too much off topic. I don't want to start a flame war -____-) Short version of my answer: this shows that BW skill didn't translate directly into SC2, but there is an obvious correlation between high skill in BW and high skill in SC2. And it is also obvious that young players in BW transfered more easily to the new game. (I don't want to discuss the "elephant article")
I agree with this, also not just younger players transitioning better, but younger players playing better overall from kespa and esf.
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Before blizzard shut down the korean BW scene, a lot of the players were reaching up to Flash's level. A lot of new players were getting really good. I think I saw bogus's record vs flash was 2-4 in BW, and not many people beat flash twice. Soulkey and Zero were the two best zergs at the end of BW, JD had been slumping for a long time. Flying's PvZ was getting real good, which is a very hard match up. A lot of terrans were getting really good at TvP, which was by far the hardest MU for T's.
The 'elephants' are still new to SC2 in comparison to the rest. Don't worry though, in a little while there won't be any non KESPA players worth talking about.
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I think we just witnessed strategy win the matches Protoss. Sos being totally unpredictable winning on that, while Parting looks to be a better player mechanically does seem a bit predictable, making it easier for his opponents.
... anyway, some great matches, really fun to watch. 
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On May 15 2013 06:36 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. The point is that people who don´t agree with the elephant theory, always divert what was wrote. When it was simple as the OP did an TL/DR: Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
To be fair Life was heralded as "the best player in the world" and he's been stomped out by Kespa players in the last 3 GSLs. He's probably not even top 10 in the world if you include Kespa.
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On May 15 2013 08:24 heartagram wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 06:36 Taipoka wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. The point is that people who don´t agree with the elephant theory, always divert what was wrote. When it was simple as the OP did an TL/DR: On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
To be fair Life was heralded as "the best player in the world" and he's been stomped out by Kespa players in the last 3 GSLs. He's probably not even top 10 in the world if you include Kespa.
Twice to PartinG who isn't an elephant
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On May 15 2013 08:58 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 08:24 heartagram wrote:On May 15 2013 06:36 Taipoka wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. The point is that people who don´t agree with the elephant theory, always divert what was wrote. When it was simple as the OP did an TL/DR: On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
To be fair Life was heralded as "the best player in the world" and he's been stomped out by Kespa players in the last 3 GSLs. He's probably not even top 10 in the world if you include Kespa. Twice to PartinG who isn't an elephant
Innovation made him look like a diamond player
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On May 15 2013 07:50 Marshall_D wrote:
Before blizzard shut down the korean BW scene, a lot of the players were reaching up to Flash's level. A lot of new players were getting really good. I think I saw bogus's record vs flash was 2-4 in BW, and not many people beat flash twice. Soulkey and Zero were the two best zergs at the end of BW, JD had been slumping for a long time. Flying's PvZ was getting real good, which is a very hard match up. A lot of terrans were getting really good at TvP, which was by far the hardest MU for T's.
The 'elephants' are still new to SC2 in comparison to the rest. Don't worry though, in a little while there won't be any non KESPA players worth talking about.
Couldn't agree more. Soulkey and Zero were the best zergs. JD's been in downhill ever since he joined the team 8, and joining EG made it even worse. Stork's been declining for quite some time. Bisu was the only player who was still performing at the top level at the end of BW who failed to transition to SC2 primarily because the style doesn't suit him. Had Bisu switched to Terran, and I've heard rumors that he is actually the best Terran in SKT, we would see him more often in the Proleague.
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On May 15 2013 08:24 heartagram wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 06:36 Taipoka wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. The point is that people who don´t agree with the elephant theory, always divert what was wrote. When it was simple as the OP did an TL/DR: On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
To be fair Life was heralded as "the best player in the world" and he's been stomped out by Kespa players in the last 3 GSLs. He's probably not even top 10 in the world if you include Kespa.
To be fair to Life, he can't play SC2 full time because he's still in middle school.
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On May 15 2013 09:00 heartagram wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 08:58 StarVe wrote:On May 15 2013 08:24 heartagram wrote:On May 15 2013 06:36 Taipoka wrote:On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room No, just no. the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins. The point is that people who don´t agree with the elephant theory, always divert what was wrote. When it was simple as the OP did an TL/DR: On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
To be fair Life was heralded as "the best player in the world" and he's been stomped out by Kespa players in the last 3 GSLs. He's probably not even top 10 in the world if you include Kespa. Twice to PartinG who isn't an elephant Innovation made him look like a diamond player
Lol so what? Innovation got stomped in PL yesterday by someone he had no business losing to. And if Innovation made Parting look like a diamond player, then what does that make Flash, who Parting 2-0'd? Oh, but let's not forget Flash recently beating Innovation in PL as well, despite him losing to Innovation in the GSL, along with him beating Parting at MLG despite losing to Parting in the GSL. Oh, but Life took out Flash at MLG in a fairly one-sided Bo7 despite Inovation 2-0ing Life in the GSL. Why am I mentioning all this? Because they're all extremely strong players and they all trade wins and losses. It's so silly seeing people take a couple matches and cite them as proof that anyone is better than anyone else right now. Look at the big picture.
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