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Flash thinks Rain is the best Protoss in a recent interview.
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Kespa doesn't disappoint. =)
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On May 14 2013 22:03 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 21:54 windowlicker wrote:On May 14 2013 21:52 Ragnarork wrote:On May 14 2013 21:50 Killmouse wrote:On May 14 2013 21:48 Arceus wrote:On May 14 2013 21:40 opterown wrote:On May 14 2013 21:39 Wintex wrote:On May 14 2013 21:36 suicideyear wrote:On May 14 2013 21:34 butchji wrote:
Tasteless calling Bogus the best RTS player ever. Sudden amnesia right there forgetting God exists... boxer and iloveoov An emperor, a bus driver and a God. This combo is hilarious. relative to those guys, how good was moon in wc3? he won everything from Korea to America, he stays on top for 10 years, he won teamleague with a broken hands, he popularized the most abusive build, hes the victim of the second most abusive build, he got a wife, he got the most nicknames, hes the hero of every single Wc3 nerd. so moon > grubby? im a total wc3 noob btw Well Moon was quite really at the very top of WC3. Though I remember ToD won against him, but I can't recall which tournament it was. Yesterday I heard Demuslim saying that Lyn was the best orc player in WC3. I really thought it was Grubby, but maybe he was just glorified because he was a "foreigner". Well, Grubby was always kinda top tier player. He was always pretty darn strong, regardless of period. You could say that he was at a level that you could measure everyone based off him. Lyn had his peaks and downs, during some of his peaks he was better than Grubby, however. Correct me if I'm wrong, tho, my memory feels blurry at the point.
You are right, around 2010(when SC2 was coming out), Lyn was the best Orc player as far as I know. But overall looking at the whole WC3, Grubby never had a bad period, he was always on top(if I recall correctly). Also, there were some other great players, for example, Fly100%, Chinese Orc player.
The funniest thing is, as we are speaking about them, Fly100% and Lyn are playing against each other currently. :D
http://gosugamers.net/warcraft/gosubet/144301
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On May 14 2013 22:03 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 21:54 windowlicker wrote:On May 14 2013 21:52 Ragnarork wrote:On May 14 2013 21:50 Killmouse wrote:On May 14 2013 21:48 Arceus wrote:On May 14 2013 21:40 opterown wrote:On May 14 2013 21:39 Wintex wrote:On May 14 2013 21:36 suicideyear wrote:On May 14 2013 21:34 butchji wrote:
Tasteless calling Bogus the best RTS player ever. Sudden amnesia right there forgetting God exists... boxer and iloveoov An emperor, a bus driver and a God. This combo is hilarious. relative to those guys, how good was moon in wc3? he won everything from Korea to America, he stays on top for 10 years, he won teamleague with a broken hands, he popularized the most abusive build, hes the victim of the second most abusive build, he got a wife, he got the most nicknames, hes the hero of every single Wc3 nerd. so moon > grubby? im a total wc3 noob btw Well Moon was quite really at the very top of WC3. Though I remember ToD won against him, but I can't recall which tournament it was. Yesterday I heard Demuslim saying that Lyn was the best orc player in WC3. I really thought it was Grubby, but maybe he was just glorified because he was a "foreigner". Well, Grubby was always kinda top tier player. He was always pretty darn strong, regardless of period. You could say that he was at a level that you could measure everyone based off him. Lyn had his peaks and downs, during some of his peaks he was better than Grubby, however. Correct me if I'm wrong, tho, my memory feels blurry at the point.
You're not really wrong, in fact War3 has had many periods. It has not lived quite as long as Brood War, but it was still enough time to go through different phases, where different players were at the top, sometimes in an uncontested position, sometimes with a few players battling it out.
I would say that players who have been really at the top uncontested for some period of time (at least 3-4 months) in TFT would be :
(I forget probably 1 or 2 from the old days :s)
Sweet
Zacard
Moon (for quite a long period, which is why he is the biggest name)
Grubby
Lucifer
Sky
Lyn
Now, many other players have been very good at some point when they had a peak, like ToD, Madfrog, FatC, FoV, Remind, Creolophus, Gostop, but I wouldn't put them on the same level of domination.
Those lists are obviously arguable
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On May 14 2013 22:26 Denar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 22:03 DidYuhim wrote:On May 14 2013 21:54 windowlicker wrote:On May 14 2013 21:52 Ragnarork wrote:On May 14 2013 21:50 Killmouse wrote:On May 14 2013 21:48 Arceus wrote:On May 14 2013 21:40 opterown wrote:On May 14 2013 21:39 Wintex wrote:On May 14 2013 21:36 suicideyear wrote:On May 14 2013 21:34 butchji wrote:
Tasteless calling Bogus the best RTS player ever. Sudden amnesia right there forgetting God exists... boxer and iloveoov An emperor, a bus driver and a God. This combo is hilarious. relative to those guys, how good was moon in wc3? he won everything from Korea to America, he stays on top for 10 years, he won teamleague with a broken hands, he popularized the most abusive build, hes the victim of the second most abusive build, he got a wife, he got the most nicknames, hes the hero of every single Wc3 nerd. so moon > grubby? im a total wc3 noob btw Well Moon was quite really at the very top of WC3. Though I remember ToD won against him, but I can't recall which tournament it was. Yesterday I heard Demuslim saying that Lyn was the best orc player in WC3. I really thought it was Grubby, but maybe he was just glorified because he was a "foreigner". Well, Grubby was always kinda top tier player. He was always pretty darn strong, regardless of period. You could say that he was at a level that you could measure everyone based off him. Lyn had his peaks and downs, during some of his peaks he was better than Grubby, however. Correct me if I'm wrong, tho, my memory feels blurry at the point. You're not really wrong, in fact War3 has had many periods. It has not lived quite as long as Brood War, but it was still enough time to go through different phases, where different players were at the top, sometimes in an uncontested position, sometimes with a few players battling it out. I would say that players who have been really at the top uncontested for some period of time (at least 3-4 months) in TFT would be : (I forget probably 1 or 2 from the old days :s) Sweet Zacard Moon (for quite a long period, which is why he is the biggest name) Grubby Lucifer Sky Lyn Now, many other players have been very good at some point when they had a peak, like ToD, Madfrog, FatC, FoV, Remind, Creolophus, Gostop, but I wouldn't put them on the same level of domination. Those lists are obviously arguable
Infi
Fly100%
ReMiND
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On May 14 2013 22:31 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 22:26 Denar wrote:On May 14 2013 22:03 DidYuhim wrote:On May 14 2013 21:54 windowlicker wrote:On May 14 2013 21:52 Ragnarork wrote:On May 14 2013 21:50 Killmouse wrote:On May 14 2013 21:48 Arceus wrote:On May 14 2013 21:40 opterown wrote:On May 14 2013 21:39 Wintex wrote:On May 14 2013 21:36 suicideyear wrote:
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boxer and iloveoov An emperor, a bus driver and a God. This combo is hilarious. relative to those guys, how good was moon in wc3? he won everything from Korea to America, he stays on top for 10 years, he won teamleague with a broken hands, he popularized the most abusive build, hes the victim of the second most abusive build, he got a wife, he got the most nicknames, hes the hero of every single Wc3 nerd. so moon > grubby? im a total wc3 noob btw Well Moon was quite really at the very top of WC3. Though I remember ToD won against him, but I can't recall which tournament it was. Yesterday I heard Demuslim saying that Lyn was the best orc player in WC3. I really thought it was Grubby, but maybe he was just glorified because he was a "foreigner". Well, Grubby was always kinda top tier player. He was always pretty darn strong, regardless of period. You could say that he was at a level that you could measure everyone based off him. Lyn had his peaks and downs, during some of his peaks he was better than Grubby, however. Correct me if I'm wrong, tho, my memory feels blurry at the point. You're not really wrong, in fact War3 has had many periods. It has not lived quite as long as Brood War, but it was still enough time to go through different phases, where different players were at the top, sometimes in an uncontested position, sometimes with a few players battling it out. I would say that players who have been really at the top uncontested for some period of time (at least 3-4 months) in TFT would be : (I forget probably 1 or 2 from the old days :s) Sweet Zacard Moon (for quite a long period, which is why he is the biggest name) Grubby Lucifer Sky Lyn Now, many other players have been very good at some point when they had a peak, like ToD, Madfrog, FatC, FoV, Remind, Creolophus, Gostop, but I wouldn't put them on the same level of domination. Those lists are obviously arguable Infi Fly100% ReMiND
FoV man, freaking FoV. Together with Lucifer and Sweet, three best Undead players out there.
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On May 14 2013 22:26 Denar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 22:03 DidYuhim wrote:On May 14 2013 21:54 windowlicker wrote:On May 14 2013 21:52 Ragnarork wrote:On May 14 2013 21:50 Killmouse wrote:On May 14 2013 21:48 Arceus wrote:On May 14 2013 21:40 opterown wrote:On May 14 2013 21:39 Wintex wrote:On May 14 2013 21:36 suicideyear wrote:On May 14 2013 21:34 butchji wrote:
Tasteless calling Bogus the best RTS player ever. Sudden amnesia right there forgetting God exists... boxer and iloveoov An emperor, a bus driver and a God. This combo is hilarious. relative to those guys, how good was moon in wc3? he won everything from Korea to America, he stays on top for 10 years, he won teamleague with a broken hands, he popularized the most abusive build, hes the victim of the second most abusive build, he got a wife, he got the most nicknames, hes the hero of every single Wc3 nerd. so moon > grubby? im a total wc3 noob btw Well Moon was quite really at the very top of WC3. Though I remember ToD won against him, but I can't recall which tournament it was. Yesterday I heard Demuslim saying that Lyn was the best orc player in WC3. I really thought it was Grubby, but maybe he was just glorified because he was a "foreigner". Well, Grubby was always kinda top tier player. He was always pretty darn strong, regardless of period. You could say that he was at a level that you could measure everyone based off him. Lyn had his peaks and downs, during some of his peaks he was better than Grubby, however. Correct me if I'm wrong, tho, my memory feels blurry at the point. You're not really wrong, in fact War3 has had many periods. It has not lived quite as long as Brood War, but it was still enough time to go through different phases, where different players were at the top, sometimes in an uncontested position, sometimes with a few players battling it out. I would say that players who have been really at the top uncontested for some period of time (at least 3-4 months) in TFT would be : (I forget probably 1 or 2 from the old days :s) Sweet Zacard Moon (for quite a long period, which is why he is the biggest name) Grubby Lucifer Sky Lyn Now, many other players have been very good at some point when they had a peak, like ToD, Madfrog, FatC, FoV, Remind, Creolophus, Gostop, but I wouldn't put them on the same level of domination. Those lists are obviously arguable
You miss out people like DayFly, Check (domination duo in early days), ReiGn (10 consecutive wins on MBC) or FreeDoM (OGN winner into Samsung terran into poker pro), FoV also won a convincing ESWC & stuffs. It's like talking about BW history without mentioning Reach or rA etc
Infi
Fly100%
ReMiND
1. shameless tower abuser
2. shameless race abuser
3. world class player but only dominate when the scene was half-dead
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On May 14 2013 21:54 windowlicker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 21:52 Ragnarork wrote:On May 14 2013 21:50 Killmouse wrote:On May 14 2013 21:48 Arceus wrote:On May 14 2013 21:40 opterown wrote:On May 14 2013 21:39 Wintex wrote:On May 14 2013 21:36 suicideyear wrote:On May 14 2013 21:34 butchji wrote:
Tasteless calling Bogus the best RTS player ever. Sudden amnesia right there forgetting God exists... boxer and iloveoov An emperor, a bus driver and a God. This combo is hilarious. relative to those guys, how good was moon in wc3? he won everything from Korea to America, he stays on top for 10 years, he won teamleague with a broken hands, he popularized the most abusive build, hes the victim of the second most abusive build, he got a wife, he got the most nicknames, hes the hero of every single Wc3 nerd. so moon > grubby? im a total wc3 noob btw Well Moon was quite really at the very top of WC3. Though I remember ToD won against him, but I can't recall which tournament it was. Yesterday I heard Demuslim saying that Lyn was the best orc player in WC3. I really thought it was Grubby, but maybe he was just glorified because he was a "foreigner".
So when one person says something you blindly believe it and throw all other logic out the window ?
At times Lyn was better but he was also often worse, Grubby and Moon strength was that they were more consistent and kinda always relivent.
OT: sad for Losira oh well there is always next season !
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On May 14 2013 21:49 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 21:34 butchji wrote:
Tasteless calling Bogus the best RTS player ever. Sudden amnesia right there forgetting God exists... Don't mind Tasteless sometimes because some of the things he says is just kinda funny and just plain wrong. Like how he said during the world of tanks cast that world of tanks takes more skill then CS 1.6 which a flat out lie lol
ogod he really said that? hahaha 
man I kinda miss the cs scene. not sure if CS:GO could bring it back
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wow I'm glad the Woongjin players got through but I did not expect sOs vs Losira to be that close. phew.
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On May 14 2013 22:38 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 22:26 Denar wrote:On May 14 2013 22:03 DidYuhim wrote:On May 14 2013 21:54 windowlicker wrote:On May 14 2013 21:52 Ragnarork wrote:On May 14 2013 21:50 Killmouse wrote:On May 14 2013 21:48 Arceus wrote:On May 14 2013 21:40 opterown wrote:On May 14 2013 21:39 Wintex wrote:On May 14 2013 21:36 suicideyear wrote:
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boxer and iloveoov An emperor, a bus driver and a God. This combo is hilarious. relative to those guys, how good was moon in wc3? he won everything from Korea to America, he stays on top for 10 years, he won teamleague with a broken hands, he popularized the most abusive build, hes the victim of the second most abusive build, he got a wife, he got the most nicknames, hes the hero of every single Wc3 nerd. so moon > grubby? im a total wc3 noob btw Well Moon was quite really at the very top of WC3. Though I remember ToD won against him, but I can't recall which tournament it was. Yesterday I heard Demuslim saying that Lyn was the best orc player in WC3. I really thought it was Grubby, but maybe he was just glorified because he was a "foreigner". Well, Grubby was always kinda top tier player. He was always pretty darn strong, regardless of period. You could say that he was at a level that you could measure everyone based off him. Lyn had his peaks and downs, during some of his peaks he was better than Grubby, however. Correct me if I'm wrong, tho, my memory feels blurry at the point. You're not really wrong, in fact War3 has had many periods. It has not lived quite as long as Brood War, but it was still enough time to go through different phases, where different players were at the top, sometimes in an uncontested position, sometimes with a few players battling it out. I would say that players who have been really at the top uncontested for some period of time (at least 3-4 months) in TFT would be : (I forget probably 1 or 2 from the old days :s) Sweet Zacard Moon (for quite a long period, which is why he is the biggest name) Grubby Lucifer Sky Lyn Now, many other players have been very good at some point when they had a peak, like ToD, Madfrog, FatC, FoV, Remind, Creolophus, Gostop, but I wouldn't put them on the same level of domination. Those lists are obviously arguable You miss out people like DayFly, Check (domination duo in early days), ReiGn (10 consecutive wins on MBC) or FreeDoM (OGN winner into Samsung terran into poker pro), FoV also won a convincing ESWC & stuffs. It's like talking about BW history without mentioning Reach or rA etc
Oh thanks! Those were the older ones I knew I was forgetting.
Man! DayFly....
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I wanted KangHo, but I'm pretty pleased considering how well he did. sOs has been on a rampage recently, and KangHo almost shut him down.
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On May 14 2013 22:59 Denar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 22:38 Arceus wrote:On May 14 2013 22:26 Denar wrote:On May 14 2013 22:03 DidYuhim wrote:On May 14 2013 21:54 windowlicker wrote:On May 14 2013 21:52 Ragnarork wrote:On May 14 2013 21:50 Killmouse wrote:On May 14 2013 21:48 Arceus wrote:On May 14 2013 21:40 opterown wrote:On May 14 2013 21:39 Wintex wrote:
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An emperor, a bus driver and a God. This combo is hilarious. relative to those guys, how good was moon in wc3? he won everything from Korea to America, he stays on top for 10 years, he won teamleague with a broken hands, he popularized the most abusive build, hes the victim of the second most abusive build, he got a wife, he got the most nicknames, hes the hero of every single Wc3 nerd. so moon > grubby? im a total wc3 noob btw Well Moon was quite really at the very top of WC3. Though I remember ToD won against him, but I can't recall which tournament it was. Yesterday I heard Demuslim saying that Lyn was the best orc player in WC3. I really thought it was Grubby, but maybe he was just glorified because he was a "foreigner". Well, Grubby was always kinda top tier player. He was always pretty darn strong, regardless of period. You could say that he was at a level that you could measure everyone based off him. Lyn had his peaks and downs, during some of his peaks he was better than Grubby, however. Correct me if I'm wrong, tho, my memory feels blurry at the point. You're not really wrong, in fact War3 has had many periods. It has not lived quite as long as Brood War, but it was still enough time to go through different phases, where different players were at the top, sometimes in an uncontested position, sometimes with a few players battling it out. I would say that players who have been really at the top uncontested for some period of time (at least 3-4 months) in TFT would be : (I forget probably 1 or 2 from the old days :s) Sweet Zacard Moon (for quite a long period, which is why he is the biggest name) Grubby Lucifer Sky Lyn Now, many other players have been very good at some point when they had a peak, like ToD, Madfrog, FatC, FoV, Remind, Creolophus, Gostop, but I wouldn't put them on the same level of domination. Those lists are obviously arguable You miss out people like DayFly, Check (domination duo in early days), ReiGn (10 consecutive wins on MBC) or FreeDoM (OGN winner into Samsung terran into poker pro), FoV also won a convincing ESWC & stuffs. It's like talking about BW history without mentioning Reach or rA etc Oh thanks! Those were the older ones I knew I was forgetting. Man! DayFly....
Everyone seems to have forgotten Madfrog
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Gah, glad SK beat Parting. Parting's pretty good, I've got a few reasons to be irritated with him, chiefly aiding in Flash and Life getting knocked out earlier than I'd like. Also, doing that 3 base blink stalker build that Seed used to do (similar anyway). That build is my Zerg nightmare.
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Woongjin coach is going for his third GSL championship
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On May 15 2013 00:37 Dodgin wrote:
Woongjin coach is going for his third GSL championship
Wasn't he a terran coach? Why would he behind the success of sOs and Soulkey?
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On May 15 2013 01:13 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 00:37 Dodgin wrote:
Woongjin coach is going for his third GSL championship Wasn't he a terran coach? Why would he behind the success of sOs and Soulkey?
Ryu Won works in mysterious ways
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On May 14 2013 22:21 affliction wrote:
Concerning Protoss players, i think that Rain is by FAR the most solid. He massively lacks unpredictability. If he would add that, he would be perfect. So sOs and Rain please merge to the ultimate Archon.
But solid and unpredictability kind of contradict each other (not 100% but in some ways). There are some unpredictable builds that just outright lose to hard counters even if you execute them solidly.
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