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ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
May 15 2013 01:29 GMT
#2301
Guys can we stop arguing who's the best Kespa player and accept the fact that Shine is fucking amazing?
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 01:34:13
May 15 2013 01:31 GMT
#2302
On May 15 2013 09:48 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 09:00 heartagram wrote:
On May 15 2013 08:58 StarVe wrote:
On May 15 2013 08:24 heartagram wrote:
On May 15 2013 06:36 Taipoka wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late

- Elephant in the room

No, just no.

the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins.

The point is that people who don´t agree with the elephant theory, always divert what was wrote.
When it was simple as the OP did an TL/DR:

On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?

I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.




To be fair Life was heralded as "the best player in the world" and he's been stomped out by Kespa players in the last 3 GSLs. He's probably not even top 10 in the world if you include Kespa.

Twice to PartinG who isn't an elephant


Innovation made him look like a diamond player


Lol so what? Innovation got stomped in PL yesterday by someone he had no business losing to. And if Innovation made Parting look like a diamond player, then what does that make Flash, who Parting 2-0'd?

just for the sake of truth I reply to you: it's not the score that does make you look like a diamond, not even the result (as you can always lose in a close fight like losira did yesterday), but the way game goes and in that sense bogus really outclassed life which is being referred as "made him look like a diamond".
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 01:40:39
May 15 2013 01:39 GMT
#2303
KEspa domination continues......

Add: Bomber and Symbol are lucky, that they aren't facing a Kespa ......
Never!
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 15 2013 01:40 GMT
#2304
On May 15 2013 10:31 rj rl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 09:48 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 15 2013 09:00 heartagram wrote:
On May 15 2013 08:58 StarVe wrote:
On May 15 2013 08:24 heartagram wrote:
On May 15 2013 06:36 Taipoka wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late

- Elephant in the room

No, just no.

the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins.

The point is that people who don´t agree with the elephant theory, always divert what was wrote.
When it was simple as the OP did an TL/DR:

On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?

I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.




To be fair Life was heralded as "the best player in the world" and he's been stomped out by Kespa players in the last 3 GSLs. He's probably not even top 10 in the world if you include Kespa.

Twice to PartinG who isn't an elephant


Innovation made him look like a diamond player


Lol so what? Innovation got stomped in PL yesterday by someone he had no business losing to. And if Innovation made Parting look like a diamond player, then what does that make Flash, who Parting 2-0'd?

just for the sake of truth I reply to you: it's not the score that does make you look like a diamond, not even the result (as you can always lose in a close fight like losira did yesterday), but the way game goes and in that sense bogus really outclassed life which is being referred as "made him look like a diamond".


That's a convenient way out because there's no analysis or objectivity here. It's just "Oh, I felt like he made Life look like a diamond player because of the way the game went". Innovation played like crap against Turn, and given that, I could easily claim that Turn made Innovation look like a diamond player and you'd have no concrete way of disproving me because it's just an opinion. What IS objective is the score and the result.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
May 15 2013 01:42 GMT
#2305
PartinG nooooooo


Atleast SoS made it through, so there's a chance of a Protoss winning. I'm rooting for Bomber from here on out though. I don't give 2 shits if people think he's the weakest player on that half of the bracket.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 01:50:18
May 15 2013 01:50 GMT
#2306
On May 15 2013 05:51 Maghetti wrote:
Why did I find so much hate in the thread for shy not playing standard? lol The whole appeal of his play is that it is so unique and yet super solid. This is the sc2 version of someone getting mad someone cross dresses or something "how dare you be different!" the guy has been dominating in proleague and went b < a < s and straight to ro4 and could still make the finals if he beats SK.


Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 02:05:09
May 15 2013 02:02 GMT
#2307
nvm.
This thread is already on "infinite argumentation."
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
May 15 2013 02:18 GMT
#2308
On May 15 2013 10:40 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 10:31 rj rl wrote:
On May 15 2013 09:48 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 15 2013 09:00 heartagram wrote:
On May 15 2013 08:58 StarVe wrote:
On May 15 2013 08:24 heartagram wrote:
On May 15 2013 06:36 Taipoka wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late

- Elephant in the room

No, just no.

the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins.

The point is that people who don´t agree with the elephant theory, always divert what was wrote.
When it was simple as the OP did an TL/DR:

On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?

I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.




To be fair Life was heralded as "the best player in the world" and he's been stomped out by Kespa players in the last 3 GSLs. He's probably not even top 10 in the world if you include Kespa.

Twice to PartinG who isn't an elephant


Innovation made him look like a diamond player


Lol so what? Innovation got stomped in PL yesterday by someone he had no business losing to. And if Innovation made Parting look like a diamond player, then what does that make Flash, who Parting 2-0'd?

just for the sake of truth I reply to you: it's not the score that does make you look like a diamond, not even the result (as you can always lose in a close fight like losira did yesterday), but the way game goes and in that sense bogus really outclassed life which is being referred as "made him look like a diamond".


That's a convenient way out because there's no analysis or objectivity here. It's just "Oh, I felt like he made Life look like a diamond player because of the way the game went". Innovation played like crap against Turn, and given that, I could easily claim that Turn made Innovation look like a diamond player and you'd have no concrete way of disproving me because it's just an opinion. What IS objective is the score and the result.

ok here you go, the score and result atm is: 3/4 semifinalists are kespa? omg omg stomping
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
May 15 2013 02:20 GMT
#2309
Isn't there a thread now for people to argue on Kespa vs ESF? lol

Anyway I miss interviews, they made the players come to life for me :'( I really wanted to hear soulkey's thoughts after that 4th game, as well as SoS before round 5.
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 15 2013 05:07 GMT
#2310
On May 15 2013 11:18 rj rl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 10:40 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 15 2013 10:31 rj rl wrote:
On May 15 2013 09:48 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 15 2013 09:00 heartagram wrote:
On May 15 2013 08:58 StarVe wrote:
On May 15 2013 08:24 heartagram wrote:
On May 15 2013 06:36 Taipoka wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
[quote]
No, just no.

the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins.

The point is that people who don´t agree with the elephant theory, always divert what was wrote.
When it was simple as the OP did an TL/DR:

On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?

I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.




To be fair Life was heralded as "the best player in the world" and he's been stomped out by Kespa players in the last 3 GSLs. He's probably not even top 10 in the world if you include Kespa.

Twice to PartinG who isn't an elephant


Innovation made him look like a diamond player


Lol so what? Innovation got stomped in PL yesterday by someone he had no business losing to. And if Innovation made Parting look like a diamond player, then what does that make Flash, who Parting 2-0'd?

just for the sake of truth I reply to you: it's not the score that does make you look like a diamond, not even the result (as you can always lose in a close fight like losira did yesterday), but the way game goes and in that sense bogus really outclassed life which is being referred as "made him look like a diamond".


That's a convenient way out because there's no analysis or objectivity here. It's just "Oh, I felt like he made Life look like a diamond player because of the way the game went". Innovation played like crap against Turn, and given that, I could easily claim that Turn made Innovation look like a diamond player and you'd have no concrete way of disproving me because it's just an opinion. What IS objective is the score and the result.

ok here you go, the score and result atm is: 3/4 semifinalists are kespa? omg omg stomping


What's also objective is how close the matches were. You clearly don't want to have a rational discussion considering all the factors and instead just want to mindlessly push your "Kespa stomping everyone" agenda even though I find it hilarious that one can use the word "stomp" in light of such close series.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 05:59:55
May 15 2013 05:59 GMT
#2311
Maybe eSF vs Kespa is the new caster bashing / balance whine to be moderated preemptively. Would sure be a nice signal, but I doubt it will happen. I guess some kind of comparing dicks of other people is bound to happen, so why not this way.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
May 15 2013 06:25 GMT
#2312
On May 15 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Maybe eSF vs Kespa is the new caster bashing / balance whine to be moderated preemptively. Would sure be a nice signal, but I doubt it will happen. I guess some kind of comparing dicks of other people is bound to happen, so why not this way.


Progression went something like Balance whine -> Caster bashing -> Balance whine -> foreigners suck -> balance whine -> HuK's not a foreigner anymore -> balance whine -> foreigners suck again except all these counter examples because GSL -> balance whine & caster bashing -> ForGG the elephant -> balance whine -> Rain the elephant -> balance whine -> kespa vs esf -> HotS balance whine -> HotS "the reset" kespa vs esf

I feel the above is a historical depiction of LR threads for starcraft 2.

We'll move on when there's new balance to whine about.
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
May 15 2013 06:31 GMT
#2313
On May 15 2013 15:25 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Maybe eSF vs Kespa is the new caster bashing / balance whine to be moderated preemptively. Would sure be a nice signal, but I doubt it will happen. I guess some kind of comparing dicks of other people is bound to happen, so why not this way.


Progression went something like Balance whine -> Caster bashing -> Balance whine -> foreigners suck -> balance whine -> HuK's not a foreigner anymore -> balance whine -> foreigners suck again except all these counter examples because GSL -> balance whine & caster bashing -> ForGG the elephant -> balance whine -> Rain the elephant -> balance whine -> kespa vs esf -> HotS balance whine -> HotS "the reset" kespa vs esf

I feel the above is a historical depiction of LR threads for starcraft 2.

We'll move on when there's new balance to whine about.


So if I understand this correctly, the current esf vs kespa "discussion" is because David Kim refuses to fix the bunker.
largehadroncollider
Profile Joined May 2013
United States88 Posts
May 15 2013 08:11 GMT
#2314
Just watched the games on twitch. Soulkey is on an entirely different level.
still alive
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3775 Posts
May 15 2013 09:04 GMT
#2315
On May 15 2013 14:59 Daswollvieh wrote:
Maybe eSF vs Kespa is the new caster bashing / balance whine to be moderated preemptively. Would sure be a nice signal, but I doubt it will happen. I guess some kind of comparing dicks of other people is bound to happen, so why not this way.

KeSPA vs eSF is pretty entertaining storyline. Of course it won't be if KeSPA will start lol-stomping eSF players but I guess that's not happening anytime soon, even if KeSPA people are a bit ahead ATM.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
June 08 2013 04:16 GMT
#2316
Just watched Game 4 of Soulkey vs Parting. Is it just me or did Soulkey completely throw that game away by not attacking when he was maxed? He let Parting catch up... Got a bad unit composition, and just lost.
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