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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 01:29:27
May 05 2013 01:26 GMT
#21
innovation is prob not that good in tvp. i expect a protoss player like jyp if HerO loses.

Also 1235 fantasy teams own innovation. That's more than 50% of teams... i hope he loses
Never!
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
May 05 2013 01:28 GMT
#22
Innovation allkill pls!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 01:36:01
May 05 2013 01:35 GMT
#23
--- Nuked ---
intmastad
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)38 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 02:06:32
May 05 2013 02:00 GMT
#24
On May 05 2013 10:26 YourHarry wrote:
innovation is prob not that good in tvp. i expect a protoss player like jyp if HerO loses.

Also 1235 fantasy teams own innovation. That's more than 50% of teams... i hope he loses

What are you talking about? Innovation is not good at tvp? With no proof?? Even he beated parting a week ago?? Please dont say without proof
seoul
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 05 2013 02:09 GMT
#25
someone take over the OP, I want to see the results when I wake up
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 02:13:33
May 05 2013 02:13 GMT
#26
Predictions

(P)HerO <Whirlwind> (T)INnoVation
EZTL<Bel'Shir Vestige>(T)INnoVation
EZTL<Neo Planet S>(T)INnoVation
EZTL<Akilon Wastes>(T)INnoVation
<Korhal Floating Island>
<New Fighting Spirit>
<Newkirk Redevelopment Precint>


All kill
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
May 05 2013 02:17 GMT
#27
HerO<Innovation
Alive<Innovation
Jaedong<Innovation
Taeja<Innovation
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
intmastad
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)38 Posts
May 05 2013 02:36 GMT
#28
No snte or idra come to proleague?
seoul
sinigang
Profile Joined August 2012
360 Posts
May 05 2013 02:45 GMT
#29
JD to reverse AK!!
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
May 05 2013 02:49 GMT
#30
On May 05 2013 11:00 intmastad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 10:26 YourHarry wrote:
innovation is prob not that good in tvp. i expect a protoss player like jyp if HerO loses.

Also 1235 fantasy teams own innovation. That's more than 50% of teams... i hope he loses

What are you talking about? Innovation is not good at tvp? With no proof?? Even he beated parting a week ago?? Please dont say without proof

Innovation beat Flash and Life to get out of that group. Aligulac does say that his weakest matchup is vP. I agree, however, that it is good enough to beat any P if he's on his game.
jjakji fan
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
May 05 2013 02:51 GMT
#31
If Innovation wins against Hero, it'll be an all kill.
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
May 05 2013 02:52 GMT
#32
On May 05 2013 11:36 intmastad wrote:
No snte or idra come to proleague?

Snute is now on the roster but whether he plays or not will be up to Coach Park.
IdrA has already stated that he does not plan on going to Korea any time soon.
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
May 05 2013 02:56 GMT
#33
Taeja will probably not play again. So HerO is pretty much the only chance.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 05 2013 03:11 GMT
#34
On May 05 2013 10:26 YourHarry wrote:
innovation is prob not that good in tvp. i expect a protoss player like jyp if HerO loses.

Also 1235 fantasy teams own innovation. That's more than 50% of teams... i hope he loses


It's not that it's bad, it's just that it's his weakest match up apparently. And JYP is horrendous vs Terran.
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 03:20:18
May 05 2013 03:13 GMT
#35
On May 05 2013 11:00 intmastad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 10:26 YourHarry wrote:
innovation is prob not that good in tvp. i expect a protoss player like jyp if HerO loses.

Also 1235 fantasy teams own innovation. That's more than 50% of teams... i hope he loses

What are you talking about? Innovation is not good at tvp? With no proof?? Even he beated parting a week ago?? Please dont say without proof



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=663&part=games&vs=P&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2012&from_month=5&from_day=20&to_year=2013&to_month=3&to_day=4&action=Update

His win rate is less than 30%. Of course, this has to be taken with grain of salt because he seems to have improved a lot recently. And the TLPD doesn't have the latest games (for some reason). But:

In round 4 of SPL, he did play against protoss once and he won that game (against Parting) (1-0)
In round 3, he lost the only protoss game against Aria (0-1)
Games from earlier rounds are included in the TLPD, where:
In round 2, he went 1-2 against protoss, losing to Jyp and Wooki.
In round 1, he went 1-1.

So overall, he doesn't have too many games against protoss. But in HOTS SPL, his record is 3-4. In current GSL, he lost to rain 1-2 in the round of 32 (which are his only games against toss in GSL)

So he doesn't seem to be as good against protoss as he is against zerg (or even terran).
Never!
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
May 05 2013 04:01 GMT
#36
On May 05 2013 12:13 YourHarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 11:00 intmastad wrote:
On May 05 2013 10:26 YourHarry wrote:
innovation is prob not that good in tvp. i expect a protoss player like jyp if HerO loses.

Also 1235 fantasy teams own innovation. That's more than 50% of teams... i hope he loses

What are you talking about? Innovation is not good at tvp? With no proof?? Even he beated parting a week ago?? Please dont say without proof



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=663&part=games&vs=P&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2012&from_month=5&from_day=20&to_year=2013&to_month=3&to_day=4&action=Update

His win rate is less than 30%. Of course, this has to be taken with grain of salt because he seems to have improved a lot recently. And the TLPD doesn't have the latest games (for some reason). But:

In round 4 of SPL, he did play against protoss once and he won that game (against Parting) (1-0)
In round 3, he lost the only protoss game against Aria (0-1)
Games from earlier rounds are included in the TLPD, where:
In round 2, he went 1-2 against protoss, losing to Jyp and Wooki.
In round 1, he went 1-1.

So overall, he doesn't have too many games against protoss. But in HOTS SPL, his record is 3-4. In current GSL, he lost to rain 1-2 in the round of 32 (which are his only games against toss in GSL)

So he doesn't seem to be as good against protoss as he is against zerg (or even terran).

he 2-0ed rain later that night
Maruprime.
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 05 2013 04:15 GMT
#37
Innovation v P

All matches Innovation played against Protoss in Heart of the Swarm.

It's his second best match up.
His TvZ is at 89% (wtffff), TvP at 64% and TvT at 54%.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 04:45:55
May 05 2013 04:43 GMT
#38
On May 05 2013 13:15 gobbledydook wrote:
Innovation v P

All matches Innovation played against Protoss in Heart of the Swarm.

It's his second best match up.
His TvZ is at 89% (wtffff), TvP at 64% and TvT at 54%.


Hmm. I forgot first 3 rounds of SPL were WoL. I stand corrected then. HOTS is a different game especially considering how one of Innovation's major strength is his usage of medavic boost. His TvP based on his record seems pretty legit, even disregarding his 3-0 win against Huk to inflate his 64% win rate.

Edit: His TvT record at 54% is pretty mediocre but I guess this can be misleading since his losses come from top tier players like Flash and Taeja.
Never!
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
May 05 2013 04:56 GMT
#39
either Hero or Taeja fail to beat him means it's all-kill

but believe in Hero

probably bringing in some Heroic stuff
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27206 Posts
May 05 2013 04:59 GMT
#40
Innovation is amazing but I just have a feeling he won't all-kill. He seems to play very straight-up and is rock solid, especially against standard play. HerO hopefully has something planned for him
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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