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n0ise
3452 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:54 DoeniDon wrote: I stopped watching after the HT-Zealot harass, how did Thorzain manage to win this game? titan messed up hardcore and engaged in an awful spot for no reason TT | ||
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Dvriel
607 Posts
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:56 n0ise wrote: titan messed up hardcore and engaged in an awful spot for no reason TT The second time in this series. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
Protoss players have nightmares about engaging a ghost heavy Thorzain in lategame TvP. I'm not surprised people try and force early engagements. | ||
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
Is this the new standard required for posting a criticism? What a stupid post. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26668 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote: Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. He occasionally looks it, but top Korean Ps can still crush him pretty handily in the lategame. I do love Thorzain's intelligent play though not the 'spoon' element so much. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:57 StarVe wrote: Anyway, I knew that Titan isn't that good at the moment, but I'm really quite disappointed by Thorzain, too. I remember the old days and I kind of feel sad. I remember watching his games vs mc in tsl ... good times. His macro and especially his micro were so damn good back than. | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
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Swords
6038 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:57 StarVe wrote: Anyway, I knew that Titan isn't that good at the moment, but I'm really quite disappointed by Thorzain, too. I remember the old days and I kind of feel sad. Yeah, this was not standard Thorzain at all. Titan I know took time off and was barely playing when HoTS came out (not sure how he ended up invited to Code S), but Thorzain's been practicing in Korea and should theoretically be improving not regressing. | ||
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freerolll
Belgium1056 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote: Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. | ||
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote: Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. yeah true, the barrack walling/choking is a fantastic response against titan's style in both the last games, I also highly recommend it if you're scared about ultras and such ^^ On the other hand, as in every TvP ever on daybreak, he was starting to fall behind to non-stop harass, happily titan was generous and donated his army  TZ played it very proper | ||
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Bermuda
Belgium411 Posts
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote: Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Protoss players have nightmares about engaging a ghost heavy Thorzain in lategame TvP. I'm not surprised people try and force early engagements. Titan just threw this game, I don't think Thorzain is that untouchable in lategame TvP (at least not judging from these games). | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote: I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support.. I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... Russian WCS Champion who placed 13th-16th in the European finals. It's a good invite but I'm not sure of how much he has played lately. I guess not enough. :/ | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote: Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. because what won him the game wasn't sick micro or harass, but instead Titan engaging in the worse spot with like no AOE/surface area since no storm and colossi dying to vikings since no stalkers. Thorzain at that engagement just backed into a corner then stimmed and emped with no micro just hoping his medivacs heal through the damage which they did easily with like no AOE. Thorzain didn't play great at all it was Titan completely fucking up. Also I wouldn't really call this late game. | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote: I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support.. I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... How will they handle playing in a studio in front of a crowd? I expect a lot of choking. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:58 Wombat_NI wrote: He occasionally looks it, but top Korean Ps can still crush him pretty handily in the lategame. I do love Thorzain's intelligent play though not the 'spoon' element so much. He took out Creator pretty handily but bear in mind, Thorzain is the kind of player who appears with specific timings and then practices those timings to excess OR he relies on his lategame control. When he has a timing down he's usually hitting it 10-15s earlier than anyone else. HoTS hasn't been remotely figured out yet. Give him a few months. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote: Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. What? I remember HerO easily dismantling ThorZaIN on Metropolis at Dreamhack Winter 2012. He has a strong lategame TvP indeed, but here he wasn't in a lategame position with mass Ghosts. | ||
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote: Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. Was about to ask the same question. Titan came really close to winning this series if it wasn't for two horrible unnecessary attacks that cost him game 1 and 3 and he didn't play exceptionally well. | ||
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