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On May 01 2013 03:06 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units. Yeah... Except I remember a 6 base Naniwa being torn apart by a 3-4 base Thorzain. No one who is remotely sane and isn't either Rain or Parting willingly engages Thorzain in lategame TvP.
I'm a Thorzain fan as well but that is just not true. His lategame TvP is very good but by no means as insurmountable as you described.
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On May 01 2013 03:02 Longtimer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... If they are so shit, why didn't you qualify (did you even try?)? I get it, it's OK to to criticise even if you're not top level, but some of these threads slowly turns towards cancer if one of the players does anything wrong. They aren't shit. They are mere mortals.
They arent SHIT.They are OUR EU Progamers and represent us.I ma not there only because I am like 15 yers older than any of them and there wasnt SC or Internet where I was 13 or 14 as Life or Maru.I think I got the right to criticize and tell something is wrong or ugly if its the true or not? We got the liberty to do this here if the manners are OK,right?
If you try to compare Messi with some player from another Team you can easily say whos better or NOT? Can you do this? I suppose all the newpapers are full with professional players or coaches writing about football right?Come on.We need to realise,our players are not so good and they need more practice.If everyone is like you saying them :"dont be worry,you are mortal.Its ok" They will never improve and the WCS EU and NA will be only WSC KR 2 and KR 3.The WCS finals will be 15 Koreans+1 Foreigner invited by Blizzard.
I suppose for you Koreans are nor mortals then.They do mistakes as well,but not that HUUUUGE mistakes in the supposly Premier League.This almost seems Code B or less...
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On May 01 2013 03:06 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units. Yeah... Except I remember a 6 base Naniwa being torn apart by a 3-4 base Thorzain. No one who is remotely sane and isn't either Rain or Parting willingly engages Thorzain in lategame TvP.
Except Naniwa played beyond horrible this CK game, playing mass zeals/archons/immortals and wondering why he was getting stomped by 25+ Ghosts...
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On May 01 2013 03:06 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units. Yeah... Except I remember a 6 base Naniwa being torn apart by a 3-4 base Thorzain. No one who is remotely sane and isn't either Rain or Parting willingly engages Thorzain in lategame TvP.
Yeah, well, I remember Titan beating MarineKing with ease, that doesn't mean it's relevant now and the player in question is still on the same level in this matchup or in general.
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does Strelok play only mech every game every matchup now? i don't think I've seen him play a non-mech game in HotS.
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Strelok's drop control is not very good.
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On May 01 2013 03:09 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:04 n0ise wrote:On May 01 2013 03:02 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 03:00 AlternativeEgo wrote:On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I dont know what is this guy "Titan" doing here as invited player,but that last engagement in the Thorzains 3rd was the most horrible I ve ever seen!!! After several EMPs on his army and the gau still there trying to kill Perfect Bio concave with 1k medivac support..
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... Russian WCS Champion who placed 13th-16th in the European finals. It's a good invite but I'm not sure of how much he has played lately. I guess not enough. :/ He played 750 ladder games this season on his main account alone, not counting customs and potential smurfs, normally that should be more than enough for a player of his potential, I don't know why he's not getting the hang of it yet, his decision making this series was simply abysmal. You can find a random ladder person with 1500 games, it still won't give him nerves of steel playing Thorzain with a WCS spot on the line. Many people are saying "i haven't heard too much about him" which obviously translates into "he doesn't have that much high-play experience", which of course makes it natural for him to be nervous. Which is obviously complete bullshit because he has a lot of experience and is familiar with high-pressure situations. Yes, maybe he's nervous, but not more than Thorzain, that's for sure. Maybe something is bothering him, but he's not more nervous by nature. If you haven't heard much of him, it's not his fault, it's yours. Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:08 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 03:03 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 03:02 Roman666 wrote:On May 01 2013 02:59 StarVe wrote:On May 01 2013 02:57 Evangelist wrote:
Thorzain is essentially undefeatable in late game TvP. Little things like the double barracks walloff on the ramp up to the natural, burning 300m to delay a zealot push into his nat by a good 30s. Brilliant stuff that no one comments on because it's not micro, just strategic. Are you implying what we just saw was undefeatable? Any Protoss with competent decision-making would have been in an awesome position. This game was not a Thorzain win but rather a Titan's loss. Any more competent Protoss would never, ever engaged into that concave of Terran units. yes, that's exactly what I said And I had your back! 
I'd try to clarify my point, but that would just mean rewriting my initial post. I know who his, I played him more than I can count, and if someone hasn't heard of him, I definitely wouldn't 'fault' him for it, rofl.
Then again, you seem to think that Titan and TZ have played at the same level and have similar experience with the game, so I'm probably not managing my time very well to start with.
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So much bad decision making.
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On May 01 2013 03:11 Dvriel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:02 Longtimer wrote:On May 01 2013 02:56 Dvriel wrote:
I understand this is WCS as Strelok said and they are all nervous,but man...You are progamer and have been it for what??? 5 years? This make our ladder seem so bad... If they are so shit, why didn't you qualify (did you even try?)? I get it, it's OK to to criticise even if you're not top level, but some of these threads slowly turns towards cancer if one of the players does anything wrong. They aren't shit. They are mere mortals. They arent SHIT.They are OUR EU Progamers and represent us.I ma not there only because I am like 15 yers older than any of them and there wasnt SC or Internet where I was 13 or 14 as Life or Maru.I think I got the right to criticize and tell something is wrong or ugly if its the true or not? We got the liberty to do this here if the manners are OK,right? If you try to compare Messi with some player from another Team you can easily say whos better or NOT? Can you do this? I suppose all the newpapers are full with professional players or coaches writing about football right?Come on.We need to realise,our players are not so good and they need more practice.If everyone is like you saying them :"dont be worry,you are mortal.Its ok" They will never improve and the WCS EU and NA will be only WSC KR 2 and KR 3.The WCS finals will be 15 Koreans+1 Foreigner invited by Blizzard. I suppose for you Koreans are nor mortals then.They do mistakes as well,but not that HUUUUGE mistakes in the supposly Premier League.This almost seems Code B or less...
What the actual fuck...
I surrender.
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All those 1v1's with Flo are clearly paying off
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Is daybreak in the map pool? This series might never end if it is.
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On May 01 2013 03:16 Swords wrote:
Is daybreak in the map pool? This series might never end if it is.
yes, we saw it twice already today, didn't we?
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I love bio vs mech . So intense . 
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I feel like Strelock goes mech in every matchup. Is that true? I don't think I've seen him go bio once - just Hellbat drops into Hellbat/tank/mine.
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On May 01 2013 03:17 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:16 Swords wrote:
Is daybreak in the map pool? This series might never end if it is. yes, we saw it twice already today, didn't we?
Whoops! I was so disgusted by Titan/Thorzain game 3 I swept it from my mind.
And I missed Strelock vs. Ret 
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The audio of the casting isn't properly balanced and it's very annoying (right side is much louder than left). Sorry if it has been mentioned before.
And yes, strelok mechs (almost?) exclusively.
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6 mins without building a single suppply depot from 153 supply.Come on Strelok...What am I watching???
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20 minutes, then I can finally watch Champions League instead. :D
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On May 01 2013 03:20 Dvriel wrote:
6 mins without building a single suppply depot from 153 supply.Come on Strelok...What am I watching???
Finally made 3!
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Maps for ThorZaIN vs. Strelok are:
1. Newkirk Precinct
2. Akilon Wastes
3. Neo Planet S
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EPT
