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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
April 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#321
Alive, please keep the dream alive T_T need to get back into the series >_<
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
April 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#322
Baby is doing worse than I thought this season.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Pretty Aluminum
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States95 Posts
April 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#323
On April 14 2013 13:07 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:06 Bagration wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Holy shit please bench jaedong forever. I fucking hate how bad he is now


I know it's a tough feeling just seeing him lose, but he pulled off 2 wins against the top ranked WJS last week. Players have good games and good days, and bad games and bad days

Well he is just really fucking bad vs Protoss. He is a beast vs Zerg and we have no clue about his ZvT right now because he hasn't gotten one yet (we can assume it is not great).

Overall he seems like a weak player, its too bad Stephano had to go .


He is actually really good against T. At least good enough to beat Flash because he did it in the GSL up and downs. Still I hope he gets benched forever or retires. He is my favorite player of all time and I'd rather he die a legend then become a nobody.
It is never too late to be what you might have been. -- George Eliot
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
April 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#324
On April 14 2013 13:10 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:06 EpiK wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Arceus wrote:
On April 14 2013 12:59 Darpa wrote:
No idea why he would try to take a gold in the middle of the map, its obviously a scouting path. Just bad decision


it's called calculated risk. Jaehoon barely scouted it. Imagine if the phoenix took a different route, or Jaehoon didnt go stargate at all, or the gold was taken even earlier, Jaedong woulda gained tremendous resources and rolled over protoss

Then his calculation is pretty off. There is no way that jaehoon would not have scouted that. It's crossmap and stargate openers are common. Plus, if jaedong was planning a timing attack with the high resource yield of that third, the window of opportunity is very small. Miss that window, and his third is gone and he'd probably lose the game.

Again, it seems to me like he had a build planned just banking on the toss going FFE, which would delay any push/scouting enough that he could have the middle established. I don't really find it far fetched that with speed he could deny scouting for a good while. Still find it a bit of a silly risk to take, esp. when he scouted the gateway expand.


I don't think JD is comfortable enough vs P to improvise on the fly. I think he felt sticking to his build would give him the best chance, but the phoenix really messed him up.
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#325
On April 14 2013 13:12 Aerisky wrote:
Alive, please keep the dream alive T_T need to get back into the series >_<

I see what you did there.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 14 2013 04:13 GMT
#326
On April 14 2013 13:12 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:07 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:06 Bagration wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Holy shit please bench jaedong forever. I fucking hate how bad he is now


I know it's a tough feeling just seeing him lose, but he pulled off 2 wins against the top ranked WJS last week. Players have good games and good days, and bad games and bad days

Well he is just really fucking bad vs Protoss. He is a beast vs Zerg and we have no clue about his ZvT right now because he hasn't gotten one yet (we can assume it is not great).

Overall he seems like a weak player, its too bad Stephano had to go .


He is actually really good against T. At least good enough to beat Flash because he did it in the GSL up and downs. Still I hope he gets benched forever or retires. He is my favorite player of all time and I'd rather he die a legend then become a nobody.

That was WoL. No real data on his HotS ZvT.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 14 2013 04:13 GMT
#327
On April 14 2013 13:11 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:05 Darpa wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Arceus wrote:
On April 14 2013 12:59 Darpa wrote:
No idea why he would try to take a gold in the middle of the map, its obviously a scouting path. Just bad decision


it's called calculated risk. Jaehoon barely scouted it. Imagine if the phoenix took a different route, or Jaehoon didnt go stargate at all, or the gold was taken even earlier, Jaedong woulda gained tremendous resources and rolled over protoss



In what world do you not scout the center path to a base on the opposite side of the map.


I doubt pros would just right click the pnix into his opponent's base, but rather set some rally points. Jeahoon would probably be like, in what world do you take that center gold, and rallying his unit to check other locations. JD knows that mentality and exploits on that. Risky, I know. And it doesnt pay off


For Stargate tech, all P's I've seen rally it to the a phoenix in the group. In that case, it would be impossible for Argo to not scout the center.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 14 2013 04:13 GMT
#328
On April 14 2013 13:11 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:05 Darpa wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Arceus wrote:
On April 14 2013 12:59 Darpa wrote:
No idea why he would try to take a gold in the middle of the map, its obviously a scouting path. Just bad decision


it's called calculated risk. Jaehoon barely scouted it. Imagine if the phoenix took a different route, or Jaehoon didnt go stargate at all, or the gold was taken even earlier, Jaedong woulda gained tremendous resources and rolled over protoss



In what world do you not scout the center path to a base on the opposite side of the map.


I doubt pros would just right click the pnix into his opponent's base, but rather set some rally points. Jeahoon would probably be like, in what world do you take that center gold, and rallying his unit to check other locations. JD knows that mentality and exploits on that. Risky, I know. And it doesnt pay off

Except you don't do that. It's reasonable to expect even the less probable possibilities.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Pretty Aluminum
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States95 Posts
April 14 2013 04:14 GMT
#329
On April 14 2013 13:13 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:12 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:07 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:06 Bagration wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Holy shit please bench jaedong forever. I fucking hate how bad he is now


I know it's a tough feeling just seeing him lose, but he pulled off 2 wins against the top ranked WJS last week. Players have good games and good days, and bad games and bad days

Well he is just really fucking bad vs Protoss. He is a beast vs Zerg and we have no clue about his ZvT right now because he hasn't gotten one yet (we can assume it is not great).

Overall he seems like a weak player, its too bad Stephano had to go .


He is actually really good against T. At least good enough to beat Flash because he did it in the GSL up and downs. Still I hope he gets benched forever or retires. He is my favorite player of all time and I'd rather he die a legend then become a nobody.

That was WoL. No real data on his HotS ZvT.

People who claim that WoL is so different from HotS are wrong. Its basically the same ZvT. The only difference is that now you have to worry about drops and mines.

Basically if somebody was good at WoL you can bet they will still be good at the MU in HotS
It is never too late to be what you might have been. -- George Eliot
GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
April 14 2013 04:15 GMT
#330
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.
JD is BONJWA!
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 14 2013 04:16 GMT
#331
On April 14 2013 13:14 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:13 AgentW wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:12 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:07 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:06 Bagration wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Holy shit please bench jaedong forever. I fucking hate how bad he is now


I know it's a tough feeling just seeing him lose, but he pulled off 2 wins against the top ranked WJS last week. Players have good games and good days, and bad games and bad days

Well he is just really fucking bad vs Protoss. He is a beast vs Zerg and we have no clue about his ZvT right now because he hasn't gotten one yet (we can assume it is not great).

Overall he seems like a weak player, its too bad Stephano had to go .


He is actually really good against T. At least good enough to beat Flash because he did it in the GSL up and downs. Still I hope he gets benched forever or retires. He is my favorite player of all time and I'd rather he die a legend then become a nobody.

That was WoL. No real data on his HotS ZvT.

People who claim that WoL is so different from HotS are wrong. Its basically the same ZvT. The only difference is that now you have to worry about drops and mines.

Basically if somebody was good at WoL you can bet they will still be good at the MU in HotS

The only differences are the differences. Of course they are! You forgot vipers in there, as well as the massive infestor nerf, and therefore everyone reverting to Muta-Ling-Bling or going Roach-Hydra-Viper. So, you know, a different game.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 14 2013 04:16 GMT
#332
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 14 2013 04:17 GMT
#333
On April 14 2013 13:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.

It would probably be HerO, which still scares me despite his better PvP as of late.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 14 2013 04:17 GMT
#334
On April 14 2013 13:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.

You send out whoever is best prepared for that ace match. If it's Jaedong, then they send Jaedong.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 14 2013 04:18 GMT
#335
On April 14 2013 13:14 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:13 AgentW wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:12 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:07 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:06 Bagration wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Holy shit please bench jaedong forever. I fucking hate how bad he is now


I know it's a tough feeling just seeing him lose, but he pulled off 2 wins against the top ranked WJS last week. Players have good games and good days, and bad games and bad days

Well he is just really fucking bad vs Protoss. He is a beast vs Zerg and we have no clue about his ZvT right now because he hasn't gotten one yet (we can assume it is not great).

Overall he seems like a weak player, its too bad Stephano had to go .


He is actually really good against T. At least good enough to beat Flash because he did it in the GSL up and downs. Still I hope he gets benched forever or retires. He is my favorite player of all time and I'd rather he die a legend then become a nobody.

That was WoL. No real data on his HotS ZvT.

People who claim that WoL is so different from HotS are wrong. Its basically the same ZvT. The only difference is that now you have to worry about drops and mines.

Basically if somebody was good at WoL you can bet they will still be good at the MU in HotS


WoL ZvT and HotS ZvT are very different.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 14 2013 04:18 GMT
#336
Wonder when Zergs will start to spam Queens alongside Hydras. Basically doubles your production in the first minute of the fight, no way for a Protoss to deal with it effectively on 2 base against 3. And attacking just needs a 100/100 upgrade.

But who cares Zergs are slow in those things, now its a TvT on Akilon, if it doesn't end fast it will take ages.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 14 2013 04:19 GMT
#337
On April 14 2013 13:17 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.

You send out whoever is best prepared for that ace match. If it's Jaedong, then they send Jaedong.

Sorry, that's not how it works. There's a fair bit of mindgames involved, and Jaedong most likely wouldn't play into them.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
April 14 2013 04:19 GMT
#338
Korean casters calling an 1-1-1 for BaBy it seems lol
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 14 2013 04:19 GMT
#339
On April 14 2013 13:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.


Jaedong goes on another level when he gets sent out for ace.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 14 2013 04:19 GMT
#340
On April 14 2013 13:19 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:17 LegalLord wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.

You send out whoever is best prepared for that ace match. If it's Jaedong, then they send Jaedong.

Sorry, that's not how it works. There's a fair bit of mindgames involved, and Jaedong most likely wouldn't play into them.

Unless they are like... well they wont send jaedong because they think we are sending argo. so they'll send hero and we'll counter with TRUE. then suddenly Jaedong in a zvz vs TRUE
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