• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:33
CEST 06:33
KST 13:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy18ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy2GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding3Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Quebec Clan still alive ? BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. BW General Discussion Gypsy to Korea Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group F [BSL22] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The China Politics Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Loot Boxes—Emotions, And Why…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Electronics
mantequilla
Any Web Designers Out there?…
sob3k
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2256 users

[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Team 8 R4 Week 2 - Page 17

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 37 Next All
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
April 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#321
Alive, please keep the dream alive T_T need to get back into the series >_<
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
April 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#322
Baby is doing worse than I thought this season.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Pretty Aluminum
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States95 Posts
April 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#323
On April 14 2013 13:07 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:06 Bagration wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Holy shit please bench jaedong forever. I fucking hate how bad he is now


I know it's a tough feeling just seeing him lose, but he pulled off 2 wins against the top ranked WJS last week. Players have good games and good days, and bad games and bad days

Well he is just really fucking bad vs Protoss. He is a beast vs Zerg and we have no clue about his ZvT right now because he hasn't gotten one yet (we can assume it is not great).

Overall he seems like a weak player, its too bad Stephano had to go .


He is actually really good against T. At least good enough to beat Flash because he did it in the GSL up and downs. Still I hope he gets benched forever or retires. He is my favorite player of all time and I'd rather he die a legend then become a nobody.
It is never too late to be what you might have been. -- George Eliot
HotGlueGun
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1409 Posts
April 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#324
On April 14 2013 13:10 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:06 EpiK wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Arceus wrote:
On April 14 2013 12:59 Darpa wrote:
No idea why he would try to take a gold in the middle of the map, its obviously a scouting path. Just bad decision


it's called calculated risk. Jaehoon barely scouted it. Imagine if the phoenix took a different route, or Jaehoon didnt go stargate at all, or the gold was taken even earlier, Jaedong woulda gained tremendous resources and rolled over protoss

Then his calculation is pretty off. There is no way that jaehoon would not have scouted that. It's crossmap and stargate openers are common. Plus, if jaedong was planning a timing attack with the high resource yield of that third, the window of opportunity is very small. Miss that window, and his third is gone and he'd probably lose the game.

Again, it seems to me like he had a build planned just banking on the toss going FFE, which would delay any push/scouting enough that he could have the middle established. I don't really find it far fetched that with speed he could deny scouting for a good while. Still find it a bit of a silly risk to take, esp. when he scouted the gateway expand.


I don't think JD is comfortable enough vs P to improvise on the fly. I think he felt sticking to his build would give him the best chance, but the phoenix really messed him up.
Don't hoot with the Owls at night if you cant soar with the Eagles at dawn.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 14 2013 04:12 GMT
#325
On April 14 2013 13:12 Aerisky wrote:
Alive, please keep the dream alive T_T need to get back into the series >_<

I see what you did there.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 14 2013 04:13 GMT
#326
On April 14 2013 13:12 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:07 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:06 Bagration wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Holy shit please bench jaedong forever. I fucking hate how bad he is now


I know it's a tough feeling just seeing him lose, but he pulled off 2 wins against the top ranked WJS last week. Players have good games and good days, and bad games and bad days

Well he is just really fucking bad vs Protoss. He is a beast vs Zerg and we have no clue about his ZvT right now because he hasn't gotten one yet (we can assume it is not great).

Overall he seems like a weak player, its too bad Stephano had to go .


He is actually really good against T. At least good enough to beat Flash because he did it in the GSL up and downs. Still I hope he gets benched forever or retires. He is my favorite player of all time and I'd rather he die a legend then become a nobody.

That was WoL. No real data on his HotS ZvT.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 14 2013 04:13 GMT
#327
On April 14 2013 13:11 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:05 Darpa wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Arceus wrote:
On April 14 2013 12:59 Darpa wrote:
No idea why he would try to take a gold in the middle of the map, its obviously a scouting path. Just bad decision


it's called calculated risk. Jaehoon barely scouted it. Imagine if the phoenix took a different route, or Jaehoon didnt go stargate at all, or the gold was taken even earlier, Jaedong woulda gained tremendous resources and rolled over protoss



In what world do you not scout the center path to a base on the opposite side of the map.


I doubt pros would just right click the pnix into his opponent's base, but rather set some rally points. Jeahoon would probably be like, in what world do you take that center gold, and rallying his unit to check other locations. JD knows that mentality and exploits on that. Risky, I know. And it doesnt pay off


For Stargate tech, all P's I've seen rally it to the a phoenix in the group. In that case, it would be impossible for Argo to not scout the center.
Moderator
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 14 2013 04:13 GMT
#328
On April 14 2013 13:11 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:05 Darpa wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Arceus wrote:
On April 14 2013 12:59 Darpa wrote:
No idea why he would try to take a gold in the middle of the map, its obviously a scouting path. Just bad decision


it's called calculated risk. Jaehoon barely scouted it. Imagine if the phoenix took a different route, or Jaehoon didnt go stargate at all, or the gold was taken even earlier, Jaedong woulda gained tremendous resources and rolled over protoss



In what world do you not scout the center path to a base on the opposite side of the map.


I doubt pros would just right click the pnix into his opponent's base, but rather set some rally points. Jeahoon would probably be like, in what world do you take that center gold, and rallying his unit to check other locations. JD knows that mentality and exploits on that. Risky, I know. And it doesnt pay off

Except you don't do that. It's reasonable to expect even the less probable possibilities.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Pretty Aluminum
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States95 Posts
April 14 2013 04:14 GMT
#329
On April 14 2013 13:13 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:12 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:07 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:06 Bagration wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Holy shit please bench jaedong forever. I fucking hate how bad he is now


I know it's a tough feeling just seeing him lose, but he pulled off 2 wins against the top ranked WJS last week. Players have good games and good days, and bad games and bad days

Well he is just really fucking bad vs Protoss. He is a beast vs Zerg and we have no clue about his ZvT right now because he hasn't gotten one yet (we can assume it is not great).

Overall he seems like a weak player, its too bad Stephano had to go .


He is actually really good against T. At least good enough to beat Flash because he did it in the GSL up and downs. Still I hope he gets benched forever or retires. He is my favorite player of all time and I'd rather he die a legend then become a nobody.

That was WoL. No real data on his HotS ZvT.

People who claim that WoL is so different from HotS are wrong. Its basically the same ZvT. The only difference is that now you have to worry about drops and mines.

Basically if somebody was good at WoL you can bet they will still be good at the MU in HotS
It is never too late to be what you might have been. -- George Eliot
GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
April 14 2013 04:15 GMT
#330
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.
JD is BONJWA!
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 14 2013 04:16 GMT
#331
On April 14 2013 13:14 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:13 AgentW wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:12 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:07 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:06 Bagration wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Holy shit please bench jaedong forever. I fucking hate how bad he is now


I know it's a tough feeling just seeing him lose, but he pulled off 2 wins against the top ranked WJS last week. Players have good games and good days, and bad games and bad days

Well he is just really fucking bad vs Protoss. He is a beast vs Zerg and we have no clue about his ZvT right now because he hasn't gotten one yet (we can assume it is not great).

Overall he seems like a weak player, its too bad Stephano had to go .


He is actually really good against T. At least good enough to beat Flash because he did it in the GSL up and downs. Still I hope he gets benched forever or retires. He is my favorite player of all time and I'd rather he die a legend then become a nobody.

That was WoL. No real data on his HotS ZvT.

People who claim that WoL is so different from HotS are wrong. Its basically the same ZvT. The only difference is that now you have to worry about drops and mines.

Basically if somebody was good at WoL you can bet they will still be good at the MU in HotS

The only differences are the differences. Of course they are! You forgot vipers in there, as well as the massive infestor nerf, and therefore everyone reverting to Muta-Ling-Bling or going Roach-Hydra-Viper. So, you know, a different game.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 14 2013 04:16 GMT
#332
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 14 2013 04:17 GMT
#333
On April 14 2013 13:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.

It would probably be HerO, which still scares me despite his better PvP as of late.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 14 2013 04:17 GMT
#334
On April 14 2013 13:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.

You send out whoever is best prepared for that ace match. If it's Jaedong, then they send Jaedong.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 14 2013 04:18 GMT
#335
On April 14 2013 13:14 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:13 AgentW wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:12 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:07 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:06 Bagration wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:02 Pretty Aluminum wrote:
Holy shit please bench jaedong forever. I fucking hate how bad he is now


I know it's a tough feeling just seeing him lose, but he pulled off 2 wins against the top ranked WJS last week. Players have good games and good days, and bad games and bad days

Well he is just really fucking bad vs Protoss. He is a beast vs Zerg and we have no clue about his ZvT right now because he hasn't gotten one yet (we can assume it is not great).

Overall he seems like a weak player, its too bad Stephano had to go .


He is actually really good against T. At least good enough to beat Flash because he did it in the GSL up and downs. Still I hope he gets benched forever or retires. He is my favorite player of all time and I'd rather he die a legend then become a nobody.

That was WoL. No real data on his HotS ZvT.

People who claim that WoL is so different from HotS are wrong. Its basically the same ZvT. The only difference is that now you have to worry about drops and mines.

Basically if somebody was good at WoL you can bet they will still be good at the MU in HotS


WoL ZvT and HotS ZvT are very different.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 14 2013 04:18 GMT
#336
Wonder when Zergs will start to spam Queens alongside Hydras. Basically doubles your production in the first minute of the fight, no way for a Protoss to deal with it effectively on 2 base against 3. And attacking just needs a 100/100 upgrade.

But who cares Zergs are slow in those things, now its a TvT on Akilon, if it doesn't end fast it will take ages.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 14 2013 04:19 GMT
#337
On April 14 2013 13:17 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.

You send out whoever is best prepared for that ace match. If it's Jaedong, then they send Jaedong.

Sorry, that's not how it works. There's a fair bit of mindgames involved, and Jaedong most likely wouldn't play into them.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
April 14 2013 04:19 GMT
#338
Korean casters calling an 1-1-1 for BaBy it seems lol
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 14 2013 04:19 GMT
#339
On April 14 2013 13:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.


Jaedong goes on another level when he gets sent out for ace.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 14 2013 04:19 GMT
#340
On April 14 2013 13:19 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:17 LegalLord wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On April 14 2013 13:15 GWdeathscythe wrote:
JD will return in the ace match and EGTL will win.

If this goes to an ace match, considering Argo is Team 8's ace this season, it's probably not a good idea to send out Jaedong.

You send out whoever is best prepared for that ace match. If it's Jaedong, then they send Jaedong.

Sorry, that's not how it works. There's a fair bit of mindgames involved, and Jaedong most likely wouldn't play into them.

Unless they are like... well they wont send jaedong because they think we are sending argo. so they'll send hero and we'll counter with TRUE. then suddenly Jaedong in a zvz vs TRUE
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 37 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
20:15
Best Games of SC
Rogue vs TriGGeR
Maru vs MaxPax
Rogue vs herO
Clem vs herO
Rogue vs Maru
PiGStarcraft472
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft506
PiGStarcraft472
RuFF_SC2 183
ViBE119
Nina 38
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 9145
Icarus 5
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm127
League of Legends
JimRising 651
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K683
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox788
C9.Mang0381
Other Games
summit1g12863
Hui .139
Mew2King31
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1067
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta22
• Response 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Shiphtur117
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
5h 28m
WardiTV Team League
6h 28m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
10h 28m
IPSL
11h 28m
Hawk vs TBD
StRyKeR vs TBD
BSL
14h 28m
n0maD vs perroflaco
TerrOr vs ZZZero
MadiNho vs WolFix
DragOn vs LancerX
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 5h
WardiTV Team League
1d 6h
OSC
1d 8h
BSL
1d 14h
Sterling vs Azhi_Dahaki
Napoleon vs Mazur
Jimin vs Nesh
spx vs Strudel
IPSL
1d 14h
Artosis vs TBD
Napoleon vs TBD
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs YSC
Sharp vs sSak
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs PianO
hero vs Rain
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Escore
6 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W2
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.