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On April 16 2013 05:55 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:53 krutopatkin wrote:
Btw, finale also managed to qualify for Code A, which no foreigner managed to accomplish, ever. Well that's also because most foreigners didn't even bother to try. Or can you list many non-NA competitive gamers who did try?
Huk, Haypro, Jinro, Sase, Ret, Morrow, Naniwa, Tod, Major, TLO, Nightend, QXC.
Probably some others too.
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Starbuck 20.74% 20.70% 33.78% 24.77% 0.00%
Bunny 18.66% 11.37% 25.71% 44.26% 0.00%
Welmu 15.84% 8.40% 10.34% 32.33% 33.09%
Feast 14.64% 16.85% 30.07% 38.44% 0.00%
duckdeok 13.57% 14.74% 38.55% 33.14% 0.00%
TargA 7.06% 11.94% 19.45% 61.56% 0.00%
Beastyqt 6.09% 7.80% 19.24% 66.86% 0.00%
Brat_OK 1.88% 1.65% 6.16% 23.40% 66.91%
PandaTank 1.51% 6.56% 16.70% 75.23% 0.00%
PsiOniC 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 100.00%
Strelok 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 100.00%
Tefel 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 100.00%
Harstem 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 100.00%
FireCake 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 100.00%
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Hmm, never heard of MYM Starbuck, yet he takes out Lowely, Harstem and Adelscott. Guy seems to be on a roll today.
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On April 16 2013 06:01 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:58 Serinox wrote:On April 16 2013 05:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 16 2013 05:53 krutopatkin wrote:
Btw, finale also managed to qualify for Code A, which no foreigner managed to accomplish, ever. Well that's also because most foreigners didn't even bother to try. Or can you list many non-NA competitive gamers who did try? DeathAngel MacSed TLO funkay HayprO Jinro SaSe ToD Naama Pretty sure Ret tried a couple times as well.
I'm pretty sure HuK and ThorZaIN tried when they weren't handed seeds. Also a couple of the guys on old-Quantic who were in Korea for a bit?
Also SLoG and cArn, right? And the foreigner or two in the most recent one a week or so ago who we've never heard of.
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On April 16 2013 05:59 Paljas wrote:
who is bunny?
A player who's coming out of his hole. Here are some evidences.
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On April 16 2013 06:00 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:58 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 05:49 CoR wrote:On April 16 2013 05:37 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 05:32 s3rp wrote:On April 16 2013 05:30 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week. Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale. No, that's bullshit. Tails is good enough to qualify for Premier, I mean, so are 20 other Europeans but I'd say Tails would still be one of the players with the best chances if he lived in EU. He's not THAT bad. Depends on who he plays .Even Without lag i still rate at least 15 Europeans even or better than him. There are not 15 europeans, probably not even 5, who could win games against good players in GSTL regularly, let alone devise snipe builds to take out anyone. Tied perhaps with finale, Tails is by far the best player in this qualifier. still tails is not like "uh he beast all europeans" i can name instant 10 who are easy better and so naming 15 isnt that hard (even some unknown i am sure in this matchup tails would have HUGE problems, and the players arent rly known ... jaeh 300ms ARE MUCH but top pros can still win (like hyun) in europe ... but tail lose to guys i never heared of ^^ I think this is a weak argument. But alright, i'll play along - name 10 european pros who could win games regularly in GSTL. I thought the game was naming 10 EU players who are better than Tails? :o
Indeed. And to be considered better, I'd say you'd need to match his kill-list either in individual leagues or team leagues.
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On April 16 2013 05:58 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 16 2013 05:53 krutopatkin wrote:
Btw, finale also managed to qualify for Code A, which no foreigner managed to accomplish, ever. Well that's also because most foreigners didn't even bother to try. Or can you list many non-NA competitive gamers who did try? DeathAngel MacSed TLO funkay HayprO Jinro SaSe ToD Naama
Over half of them I wouldn't even consider competitive! :o
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On April 16 2013 06:02 scampioen wrote:
Hmm, never heard of MYM Starbuck, yet he takes out Lowely, Harstem and Adelscott. Guy seems to be on a roll today.
Yeah, MYM has an eye for talent, as evidenced by their pickups of Dragon and Krolu. /s
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On April 16 2013 06:00 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:58 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 05:49 CoR wrote:On April 16 2013 05:37 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 05:32 s3rp wrote:On April 16 2013 05:30 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week. Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale. No, that's bullshit. Tails is good enough to qualify for Premier, I mean, so are 20 other Europeans but I'd say Tails would still be one of the players with the best chances if he lived in EU. He's not THAT bad. Depends on who he plays .Even Without lag i still rate at least 15 Europeans even or better than him. There are not 15 europeans, probably not even 5, who could win games against good players in GSTL regularly, let alone devise snipe builds to take out anyone. Tied perhaps with finale, Tails is by far the best player in this qualifier. still tails is not like "uh he beast all europeans" i can name instant 10 who are easy better and so naming 15 isnt that hard (even some unknown i am sure in this matchup tails would have HUGE problems, and the players arent rly known ... jaeh 300ms ARE MUCH but top pros can still win (like hyun) in europe ... but tail lose to guys i never heared of ^^ I think this is a weak argument. But alright, i'll play along - name 10 european pros who could win games regularly in GSTL. I thought the game was naming 10 EU players who are better than Tails? :o
The point is that it's basically the same I guess (if you didnt mean this sarcastic :> )
On April 16 2013 06:03 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:58 Serinox wrote:On April 16 2013 05:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 16 2013 05:53 krutopatkin wrote:
Btw, finale also managed to qualify for Code A, which no foreigner managed to accomplish, ever. Well that's also because most foreigners didn't even bother to try. Or can you list many non-NA competitive gamers who did try? DeathAngel MacSed TLO funkay HayprO Jinro SaSe ToD Naama Over half of them I wouldn't even consider competitive! :o
anyone of them but funkay were competitive at some point to be honest
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On April 16 2013 05:58 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:49 CoR wrote:On April 16 2013 05:37 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 05:32 s3rp wrote:On April 16 2013 05:30 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week. Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale. No, that's bullshit. Tails is good enough to qualify for Premier, I mean, so are 20 other Europeans but I'd say Tails would still be one of the players with the best chances if he lived in EU. He's not THAT bad. Depends on who he plays .Even Without lag i still rate at least 15 Europeans even or better than him. There are not 15 europeans, probably not even 5, who could win games against good players in GSTL regularly, let alone devise snipe builds to take out anyone. Tied perhaps with finale, Tails is by far the best player in this qualifier. still tails is not like "uh he beast all europeans" i can name instant 10 who are easy better and so naming 15 isnt that hard (even some unknown i am sure in this matchup tails would have HUGE problems, and the players arent rly known ... jaeh 300ms ARE MUCH but top pros can still win (like hyun) in europe ... but tail lose to guys i never heared of ^^ I think this is a weak argument. But alright, i'll play along - name 10 european pros who could win games regularly in GSTL.
I'm naming 10 that could do well just for funsies. I believe Tails is stronger than most EU players.
Stephano, Lucifron, Vortix, Naniwa, Sase, Mana, Nerchio, Grubby, Demuslim, Ret, Snute and Kas are all players I could see do ok in GSTL.
*edit* Regarding better than Tails, I think none. But wouldn't be surprised to see any of these players defeat him in a tournament.
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On April 16 2013 06:03 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:58 Serinox wrote:On April 16 2013 05:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 16 2013 05:53 krutopatkin wrote:
Btw, finale also managed to qualify for Code A, which no foreigner managed to accomplish, ever. Well that's also because most foreigners didn't even bother to try. Or can you list many non-NA competitive gamers who did try? DeathAngel MacSed TLO funkay HayprO Jinro SaSe ToD Naama Over half of them I wouldn't even consider competitive! :o
What about all the ones that got invited to Code A/Code S and then lost right away? A huge amount of those were competitive players and the fact that they lost right away would suggest they would have had trouble in the qualifiers if they had actually tried.
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Why would you go up that ramp Beasty? T_T
at least break the rocks, that's just asking to be forcefielded
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On April 16 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:00 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 16 2013 05:58 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 05:49 CoR wrote:On April 16 2013 05:37 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 05:32 s3rp wrote:On April 16 2013 05:30 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week. Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale. No, that's bullshit. Tails is good enough to qualify for Premier, I mean, so are 20 other Europeans but I'd say Tails would still be one of the players with the best chances if he lived in EU. He's not THAT bad. Depends on who he plays .Even Without lag i still rate at least 15 Europeans even or better than him. There are not 15 europeans, probably not even 5, who could win games against good players in GSTL regularly, let alone devise snipe builds to take out anyone. Tied perhaps with finale, Tails is by far the best player in this qualifier. still tails is not like "uh he beast all europeans" i can name instant 10 who are easy better and so naming 15 isnt that hard (even some unknown i am sure in this matchup tails would have HUGE problems, and the players arent rly known ... jaeh 300ms ARE MUCH but top pros can still win (like hyun) in europe ... but tail lose to guys i never heared of ^^ I think this is a weak argument. But alright, i'll play along - name 10 european pros who could win games regularly in GSTL. I thought the game was naming 10 EU players who are better than Tails? :o Indeed. And to be considered better, I'd say you'd need to match his kill-list either in individual leagues or team leagues.
We don't know how good any Europeans are right now because they've barely played HOTS competitively.
We all assume Stephano is still number one but he's been smashed in HOTS so far.
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Ouch! those force fields!
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This looks bad for beastyqt :\
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yep, taht's it. gg... <.<
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On April 16 2013 06:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:03 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 06:00 JustPassingBy wrote:On April 16 2013 05:58 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 05:49 CoR wrote:On April 16 2013 05:37 Zealously wrote:On April 16 2013 05:32 s3rp wrote:On April 16 2013 05:30 StarVe wrote:On April 16 2013 05:28 Champloo wrote:On April 16 2013 05:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't understand why Koreans chose to play in the EU qualifier. They're obviously better overall (although Tails wouldn't even be close to the top 50 Koreans and is worse than quite a few foreigners imo), but not so much better you can win with 300ms+, not to mention it is extremely shitty and not fun to play like that every week. Tails would have a hard time to qualify for EU Premier Division even if he lived in Europe. Just like Daisy, who did nothing when he was in Europe, even failed to make the EPS top 8. The only Korean participating in the qualifiers with a real shot at making Premier Division is Finale. No, that's bullshit. Tails is good enough to qualify for Premier, I mean, so are 20 other Europeans but I'd say Tails would still be one of the players with the best chances if he lived in EU. He's not THAT bad. Depends on who he plays .Even Without lag i still rate at least 15 Europeans even or better than him. There are not 15 europeans, probably not even 5, who could win games against good players in GSTL regularly, let alone devise snipe builds to take out anyone. Tied perhaps with finale, Tails is by far the best player in this qualifier. still tails is not like "uh he beast all europeans" i can name instant 10 who are easy better and so naming 15 isnt that hard (even some unknown i am sure in this matchup tails would have HUGE problems, and the players arent rly known ... jaeh 300ms ARE MUCH but top pros can still win (like hyun) in europe ... but tail lose to guys i never heared of ^^ I think this is a weak argument. But alright, i'll play along - name 10 european pros who could win games regularly in GSTL. I thought the game was naming 10 EU players who are better than Tails? :o Indeed. And to be considered better, I'd say you'd need to match his kill-list either in individual leagues or team leagues. We don't know how good any Europeans are right now because they've barely played HOTS competitively. We all assume Stephano is still number one but he's been smashed in HOTS so far.
Results wise it's MaNa -> Luci/VortiX atm, I'd say. Haven't seen anything out of Stephano.
Bunny/Welmu/BratOK last foreign hopes
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