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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
March 16 2013 21:27 GMT
#4781
(Z)Leenock vs. (T)INnoVation and (T)Flash vs. (Z)Ret gonna be awesome.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10124 Posts
March 16 2013 21:27 GMT
#4782
time to some south american flavor ! gogogo cKiLLeR
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4783
On March 17 2013 06:27 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:26 Tenshix wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:22 iky43210 wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:20 Paincakez wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:18 Mensol wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:17 5ukkub wrote:
http://bashtech.net/twitch/stats.php

Starcraft 131k > LoL 95k !!


Starcraft is dying

LoL 123k > Starcraft 116k

http://www.twitch.tv/ and LoL game just started.

Watching LoL streams is like watching paint dry. I definitely anticipate a huge influx of players constantly coming to SC for esports.


LoL has 32 million active users, they have plenty of people they can grab through marketing and advertising to watch their streams.

100k viewers is like 0.3% of its playerbase. Though this should tell you how dedicated starcraft fans are relative to the playersize


Haha, I was going to say that too. 32 million players yet they can only pull in 100k to watch MLG, while SC2 only has a few million (4 million?) and we are able to get the same amount.


Active users for sc2 ? Probably less.


I imagine there are a lot of people who spectate starcraft 2 that don't play multiplayer actively or haven't bought the game at all.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 21:29:30
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4784
On March 17 2013 06:24 Bowzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:19 dcsoda wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:17 Hylirion wrote:
Why exactly are koreans so much better than the others? With equal practice everyone should be able to get the same skilllevel. Kind of mindboggling.


They don't practice equally though. Also Koreans don't have to stream as much as foreigners do because of the infrastructure already in place with the team houses in Korea. So it has a lot to do with the infrastructure allowing them to practice like crazy without worrying about exposure and the willingness to do so.


The infrastructure didnt build itself though. Most ESF Koreans sacrificed salary for a practice house. The problem with the foreign scene is that all the major tournaments are spread out. They need something like the GSL to center their houses around.


The bulk of players in the West are never going to up and move to a center location just to practice and compete evenly with Koreans. I believe the scene is going to die before that happens.

Practically speaking, people here by and large don't treat the game with the same amount of dedication and never have. Very few people think of this as a permanent career. Those that do have found ways to go to Korea, but then discovered that they're isolated there, too.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4785
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHILE IN DA HOUSE BITCHES
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4786
On March 17 2013 06:26 Grumbels wrote:
Honestly, if Flash would practice only four hours a day living at home in NA, he'd still be better than all foreigners. Talent also plays a role and Korea has always had more competitive players and higher status for professional gamers. (not more players)


If you mean he would be had he been born in the USA etc then I call absolute BS. If you mean if he moved there at start of SC2 then I can see it...
Red and yellow are all I see
Tayar
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1439 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4787
polt getting everything he can out of that reaper, really good play.
dcsoda
Profile Joined June 2011
United States583 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4788
On March 17 2013 06:24 Bowzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:19 dcsoda wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:17 Hylirion wrote:
Why exactly are koreans so much better than the others? With equal practice everyone should be able to get the same skilllevel. Kind of mindboggling.


They don't practice equally though. Also Koreans don't have to stream as much as foreigners do because of the infrastructure already in place with the team houses in Korea. So it has a lot to do with the infrastructure allowing them to practice like crazy without worrying about exposure and the willingness to do so.


The infrastructure didnt build itself though. Most ESF Koreans sacrificed salary for a practice house. The problem with the foreign scene is that all the major tournaments are spread out. They need something like the GSL to center their houses around.


No it didn't build itself but the point about space is key. There's no infrastructure outside of Korea to allow players to sacrifice money for practice. Unfortunately I don't really see it happening anytime soon.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4789
On March 17 2013 06:27 Schelim wrote:
not to be an asshole


Hint: If you have to start your post this way, you are about to be one. Rather than be one, just relax and stop there.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 21:30:10
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4790
On March 17 2013 06:26 Tenshix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:22 iky43210 wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:20 Paincakez wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:18 Mensol wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:17 5ukkub wrote:
http://bashtech.net/twitch/stats.php

Starcraft 131k > LoL 95k !!


Starcraft is dying

LoL 123k > Starcraft 116k

http://www.twitch.tv/ and LoL game just started.

Watching LoL streams is like watching paint dry. I definitely anticipate a huge influx of players constantly coming to SC for esports.


LoL has 32 million active users, they have plenty of people they can grab through marketing and advertising to watch their streams.

100k viewers is like 0.3% of its playerbase. Though this should tell you how dedicated starcraft fans are relative to the playersize


Haha, I was going to say that too. 32 million players yet they can only pull in 100k to watch MLG, while SC2 only has a few million (4 million?) and we are able to get the same amount.


LoL has 1 stream and there are definitely a lot of people with both SC2 streams open. Wait until later, Curse vs. KT Rolster won't be lower than 150k.
Everyday Girl's Day~!
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4791
On March 17 2013 06:25 throttled wrote:
Oh look Terran wins every single match Terran has played in.

They're not OP though, daddy told me so.

User was warned for this post


Did TL have live threads for BW OSLs?

The complaining for the 2007 EVER tournament must have been legendary.
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XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4792
70k viewers!

Hell yeah!
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4793
On March 17 2013 06:27 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:
Can someone explain to me why broodlord infestor doesn't work anymore?

Things counter it now. Skytoss destroys BL/Infestor, Terrans can transition to mass Ravens with cheaper HsM, and ZvZ thus far ends in Mutawars.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4794
On March 17 2013 06:25 throttled wrote:
Oh look Terran wins every single match Terran has played in.

They're not OP though, daddy told me so.

User was warned for this post


kind of bound to happen when you have 9 korean terran vs 9 foreigner toss/zerg
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4795
On March 17 2013 06:23 Falcon_NL wrote:
4 protoss, 4 zerg and 10 terrans left right now.

Remind me of IPL5 those days
@taefoxy
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
March 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#4796
Not really relevant perhaps, but I really love the new background music in HoTS during MP
Pokemon Master
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
March 16 2013 21:29 GMT
#4797
On March 17 2013 06:27 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:
Can someone explain to me why broodlord infestor doesn't work anymore?

probably has something to do with the raven buff in TvZ. in PvZ the buffed voidrays combined with storms just melt away corruptors and if it goes into heavy lategame you add some tempests and a broodlord infestor is basicly useless.
you no take candle
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11089 Posts
March 16 2013 21:29 GMT
#4798
Didn't Polt rape creator recently? Creator gets super greedy with his style no?
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 16 2013 21:29 GMT
#4799
On March 17 2013 06:28 suicideyear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:25 throttled wrote:
Oh look Terran wins every single match Terran has played in.

They're not OP though, daddy told me so.

User was warned for this post


Did TL have live threads for BW OSLs?

The complaining for the 2007 EVER tournament must have been legendary.


I know I should know this, but what was it that happened in EVER OSL? Did Bisu get cheesed out?
AdministratorBreak the chains
AIKfans87
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden170 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 21:30:50
March 16 2013 21:29 GMT
#4800
Yay DjWheat keep on whine at terran balance...Why he even commentating?!
Sweden fighting!!
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