• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:57
CET 09:57
KST 17:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced2[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle [Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Which season is the best in ASL? Data analysis on 70 million replays sas.vorti stream [BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread YouTube Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Earnings: Bigger Pri…
TrAiDoS
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1767 users

[MLG] Day 2 Winter Championship - Page 241

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 239 240 241 242 243 640 Next
The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 16 2013 21:29 GMT
#4801
On March 17 2013 06:28 XiGua wrote:
70k viewers!

Hell yeah!

You're a bit late to the party. Stephano's games were maxing at about 82k.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
March 16 2013 21:29 GMT
#4802
On March 17 2013 06:27 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:21 Insoleet wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:20 Swiipii wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:17 Insoleet wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:13 m0ck wrote:
The sad thing about speed-medivacs is that while they allow T to harass to their hearts content, they also force their opponent to stay defensive. They make for a turtlier game.


Not really, but the zerg/protoss needs to take air control with muta/phoenix. Else, he'll be dropped like a madman.

Maybe but mutas are lame late game . The Terran is just going to sit, max on 3-3 or 2-2 and crush the Zerg .
Viper/ultras seems to be better and with lings/infestors and static defense you can deal with drops .


Muta midgame, overlord speed, vipers + infestors lategame. Ultralisk so that you can fight the terran head to head. I think it's the way yeah.


From what i've seen on streams like Hyun's, mutas are not really the answer. They can't catch up to medivacs anymore and they seem to deal poorly with 2 bases pushes while their harass potential has been reduced because of the widow mines.

I'm waiting to be proven wrong though, i would love for Mutas to be the cornerstone of zergs again.



Well widow mines shouldn't hit air, everybody knows that :p I hope they nerf widow mine this way, and that medivac boost cost energy. Maybe we could see less one-sided games.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
March 16 2013 21:30 GMT
#4803
On March 17 2013 06:29 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:28 suicideyear wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:25 throttled wrote:
Oh look Terran wins every single match Terran has played in.

They're not OP though, daddy told me so.

User was warned for this post


Did TL have live threads for BW OSLs?

The complaining for the 2007 EVER tournament must have been legendary.


I know I should know this, but what was it that happened in EVER OSL? Did Bisu get cheesed out?

Spoilers :;
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
March 16 2013 21:30 GMT
#4804
On March 17 2013 06:24 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:21 Hylirion wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:18 Zealously wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:17 Hylirion wrote:
Why exactly are koreans so much better than the others? With equal practice everyone should be able to get the same skilllevel. Kind of mindboggling.


But everyone isn't getting equal amounts of practice, and certainly not equal quality of practice. Same goes for infrastructure and mentality - the Koreans (usually) have it all, and talent, whereas foreigners only have some of those.


Yeah sure, but I mean, in the Netherlands we have a gold medalist at snowboarding. There are no mountains in our country. That is not good practice environment but with enough dedication anything is/should be possible. But not with SC2 it seems


Does this gold medalist practice in the Netherlands?


also doubt he would be gold medalist with a country that would have embraced snowboarding as a national thing. I mean there is a reason korea has laws regarding gaming. Some countries are getting closer to obtain a gaming culture though, but it is still really sports heavy.
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
March 16 2013 21:30 GMT
#4805
On March 17 2013 06:29 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:28 XiGua wrote:
70k viewers!

Hell yeah!

You're a bit late to the party. Stephano's games were maxing at about 82k.

I was playing the Campaign and forgot about the time. T.T
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
March 16 2013 21:30 GMT
#4806
On March 17 2013 06:27 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:26 126Q;A1 wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:20 Thrax wrote:
So much schadenfreude over Stephano losing. Nothing wrong with "Stephano got out-multitasked badly and Last looked brilliant", but "YAY I'm so happy that Stephano lost" - ugh, that just feels wrong. Some respect please?


Just as how you can root for any player or team in any sport, you can root against one. Disliking/ cheering against a player doesn't mean you're being disrespectful. Anti-fans will necessarily exist just as much as fans will.


It just means you're a pretty sad person.

Not at all.

I believe their is and should be a spectrum. I have people I love, like, neutral, dislike, and heavily dislike, etc. I am a big Flash fan and a big antiMKP fan and neutral with curious.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
March 16 2013 21:30 GMT
#4807
On March 17 2013 06:29 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:28 suicideyear wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:25 throttled wrote:
Oh look Terran wins every single match Terran has played in.

They're not OP though, daddy told me so.

User was warned for this post


Did TL have live threads for BW OSLs?

The complaining for the 2007 EVER tournament must have been legendary.


I know I should know this, but what was it that happened in EVER OSL? Did Bisu get cheesed out?

EVER 2007 was Jaedong's rise.
The Bomber boy
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
March 16 2013 21:30 GMT
#4808
On March 17 2013 06:29 Sabu113 wrote:
Didn't Polt rape creator recently? Creator gets super greedy with his style no?

Polt crushed Creator 5-1 in IPL FC, and the games ended one-sided. Wasn't really Creator's greed, more Creator playing very sloppy with his all-ins and late-game engagements.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
March 16 2013 21:30 GMT
#4809
On March 17 2013 06:28 Porishan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:23 Falcon_NL wrote:
4 protoss, 4 zerg and 10 terrans left right now.

Remind me of IPL5 those days


Sorry IPL5? I think you mistyped there.
The curse is real
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 16 2013 21:30 GMT
#4810
On March 17 2013 06:28 XiGua wrote:
70k viewers!

Hell yeah!

Thats 12k less than when stephano played.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 16 2013 21:30 GMT
#4811
On March 17 2013 06:29 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:28 XiGua wrote:
70k viewers!

Hell yeah!

You're a bit late to the party. Stephano's games were maxing at about 82k.


82k people watched Stephano get destroyed by a player 99% of them have never heard of before since Last has only played in PL and the first sc2 OSL.

Goodbye foreigner hope ;/
Vorkreist
Profile Joined February 2013
21 Posts
March 16 2013 21:30 GMT
#4812
I wonder whats gonna be the reaction on TL if Leenock and Life get rolled out by terrans hehe
"One phoenix is like the sound of one hand clapping, it's not very much." - Artosis
WIllBIll
Profile Joined June 2011
590 Posts
March 16 2013 21:31 GMT
#4813
Let's go Thorzain, gimme them TvT's.
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
March 16 2013 21:31 GMT
#4814
On March 17 2013 06:27 Schelim wrote:
not to be an asshole but i gotta say i've been wondering about many decisions that MLG makes for a long time. they've been receiving heavy criticism for mass downtime, then they finally announce they'll 'fix it' like 2 years later... and then they don't fix shit. i guess they show the players faces before they actually start playing sometimes, which is kinda cool. that 'highlight reel' thingy was rather embarassing though, not sure that people a-moving hellbats into mineral lines with Axeltoss saying stuff over it is the best possible content you could come up with. i personally don't even mind the downtime that much, i know how to keep myself busy and/or entertained on the computer, but i'm just astonished by the fact that fixing something like this seems to be so difficult for MLG, along with many other decisions they have made, and yet they still manage to invite all the best players in the world (and then add some random americans... well let's not get into that one), have amazing games, solid caster lineups and more or less flawless production. you would think if they can handle all this stuff, they could produce a few decent videos and have someone actually play them between games.

but that doesn't stop you from watching does it? My guess is that they're aware of this but there are just so much bigger things to focus on, production-wise that would affect viewer counts more.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
March 16 2013 21:31 GMT
#4815
On March 17 2013 06:28 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:26 Grumbels wrote:
Honestly, if Flash would practice only four hours a day living at home in NA, he'd still be better than all foreigners. Talent also plays a role and Korea has always had more competitive players and higher status for professional gamers. (not more players)


If you mean he would be had he been born in the USA etc then I call absolute BS. If you mean if he moved there at start of SC2 then I can see it...

Why not? What player in NA does have equal natural talent as Flash?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
March 16 2013 21:31 GMT
#4816
On March 17 2013 06:26 Tenshix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:22 iky43210 wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:20 Paincakez wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:18 Mensol wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:17 5ukkub wrote:
http://bashtech.net/twitch/stats.php

Starcraft 131k > LoL 95k !!


Starcraft is dying

LoL 123k > Starcraft 116k

http://www.twitch.tv/ and LoL game just started.

Watching LoL streams is like watching paint dry. I definitely anticipate a huge influx of players constantly coming to SC for esports.


LoL has 32 million active users, they have plenty of people they can grab through marketing and advertising to watch their streams.

100k viewers is like 0.3% of its playerbase. Though this should tell you how dedicated starcraft fans are relative to the playersize


Haha, I was going to say that too. 32 million players yet they can only pull in 100k to watch MLG, while SC2 only has a few million (4 million?) and we are able to get the same amount.

there's no MLG for lol, just the same championship games they get every single week
there was a showmatch, but it was yesterday
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
March 16 2013 21:31 GMT
#4817
I don't see how Creator can win this game.
Chicken gank op
duct_TAPE
Profile Joined May 2011
492 Posts
March 16 2013 21:31 GMT
#4818
Is MKP still in this?
"WHAT!? but I thought there was only one way in Canada!" "Yeah, and y'all went the wrong direction on it"
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
March 16 2013 21:32 GMT
#4819
i wonder if protoss players realize how powerful void rays are nowdays. i think some kind of chargelot voidray timing with sheild upgrades (boosts both air and ground defence) with a mothership core and templar tech as a followup could be incredibly deadly in almost every matchup.
you no take candle
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
March 16 2013 21:32 GMT
#4820
On March 17 2013 06:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:21 farvacola wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:18 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:17 Hylirion wrote:
Why exactly are koreans so much better than the others? With equal practice everyone should be able to get the same skilllevel. Kind of mindboggling.


They practice smarter and longer. That's about it.

Ehh, I'm not so sure it's so simple. There is most certainly a cultural element at work in Korean dominance; 'tis not only how they practice but why they practice.


What I said is a general description that does not take into account the infrastructure, community, schedules, personnel, or personal motivation of Korean teams. But all of it serves to create better dedicated practice, which is the key difference between Korean and foreign players. The very best players usually create their own specific schedules and habits which distinguishes them from their peers.

Yes, and my point is that there is a reason that those who benefit from or are able to devote themselves to dedicated practice in the manner you describe are Korean. I mean, you can stop at "it's the practice", but I'm more interested in why Koreans are so able and willing to practice in such a way. Try as they might, foreigners are seemingly unable to recreate it in any way, be it by traveling to Korea or creating a domestic team house. There is more at work here than just practice.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Prev 1 239 240 241 242 243 640 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 3m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 178
ProTech131
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20789
Shuttle 1666
Hyuk 1207
Larva 288
Zeus 170
EffOrt 127
Backho 122
Leta 75
soO 50
Sharp 42
[ Show more ]
Sacsri 19
Noble 17
Free 16
Bale 7
Terrorterran 6
Rush 5
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm102
XcaliburYe6
League of Legends
JimRising 586
Reynor110
Counter-Strike
allub97
Other Games
Happy234
Fuzer 197
Mew2King105
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream230
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 74
lovetv 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 92
• LUISG 18
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos231
Upcoming Events
OSC
8h 3m
LAN Event
9h 3m
Replay Cast
14h 3m
Replay Cast
1d
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 3h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.