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Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 06 2013 14:38 GMT
#981
think vortix shouldnt built lings once the pool finishes, just get queen and 16 drones on minerals as the terran cant pressure anyway once he sees the delayed hatch, now the terran is ahead in eco and the lings are useless
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 14:39:58
March 06 2013 14:39 GMT
#982
On March 06 2013 23:37 looken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:33 looken wrote:
funny how QXC does everything to justify these games without admitting that terran is just really really strong against zerg.


Here Qxc was trying not to say directly that Vortix made a terrible decision by going only queens and lings versus hellion, reaper, WM pressure.

what else should he have done? his roachwarren was maybe late yes, but there were 4 queens defending plus lings. thats a really solid defense on paper...


I'm so happy that it's no longer "a solid defence". Qxc told you what he should have done: roach warren earlier (when he scouted EVERYTHING), built spores and spines.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
March 06 2013 14:40 GMT
#983
On March 06 2013 23:37 looken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:33 looken wrote:
funny how QXC does everything to justify these games without admitting that terran is just really really strong against zerg.


Here Qxc was trying not to say directly that Vortix made a terrible decision by going only queens and lings versus hellion, reaper, WM pressure.

what else should he have done? his roachwarren was maybe late yes, but there were 4 queens defending plus lings. thats a really solid defense on paper...

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:35 Zarahtra wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:33 looken wrote:
funny how QXC does everything to justify these games without admitting that terran is just really really strong against zerg.

Well that game told us nothing about if terran is OP, I'd argue Vortix has to atleast play decently and make any sense before we can say that push is OP. He had the correct tech, but he built units which the opponets units hard countered, just because...

i didnt say anything about OP

Well really strong, OP whatever. My point was that was a terrible game from vortix. He had the roach warren down for like 1 minute or something before he actually made roaches, and that was after his roach warren was late and without a spine. He got caught offguard even though he scouted what Sting was doing, so Vortix didnt seem to just know what he was doing or just had a huge brain fart.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
March 06 2013 14:40 GMT
#984
Sees mass marine marching across the map. Builds no spine crawlers.

YOLO
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azzih
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany98 Posts
March 06 2013 14:41 GMT
#985
Lets see how Stephano and TLO will do tomorrow. I think they are the strongest foreigner zergs right now.

But i cant imagine will go well. Zerg right now has so many weaknesses and time windows you can take massive advantage of. And the new terran mech is brutal, even me as a maybe plat to diamond skilled terra can use this composition very easy and with good success. At least its much more easy to use then a bio force.
Germany
Caletor
Profile Joined March 2013
32 Posts
March 06 2013 14:41 GMT
#986
On March 06 2013 23:39 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:37 looken wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:33 looken wrote:
funny how QXC does everything to justify these games without admitting that terran is just really really strong against zerg.


Here Qxc was trying not to say directly that Vortix made a terrible decision by going only queens and lings versus hellion, reaper, WM pressure.

what else should he have done? his roachwarren was maybe late yes, but there were 4 queens defending plus lings. thats a really solid defense on paper...


I'm so happy that it's no longer "a solid defence". Qxc told you what he should have done: roach warren earlier (when he scouted EVERYTHING), built spores and spines.


so he builds roaches spores and spines and defends. He is still behind 1 base and has no mapcontrol. This disadvantage is MUCH more severe than WoL standarts and I don't see that any zerg could overcome that gap. But maybe anyone can enlighten me? Cause I don't see how zerg could come out ahead even if he countered perfectly!
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
March 06 2013 14:42 GMT
#987
lol, dying to a 3 year old strat
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 06 2013 14:42 GMT
#988
On March 06 2013 23:41 azzih wrote:
Lets see how Stephano and TLO will do tomorrow. I think they are the strongest foreigner zergs right now.

But i cant imagine will go well. Zerg right now has so many weaknesses and time windows you can take massive advantage of. And the new terran mech is brutal, even me as a maybe plat to diamond skilled terra can use this composition very easy and with good success. At least its much more easy to use then a bio force.


Not expecting too much from Stephano on HotS, but I have no idea how much he's been playing it.

Dwayn
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany949 Posts
March 06 2013 14:42 GMT
#989
sting plays hots like he plays WoL
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 06 2013 14:43 GMT
#990
HOTS mass marine is clearly imba.
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
March 06 2013 14:43 GMT
#991
--- Nuked ---
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 06 2013 14:43 GMT
#992
On March 06 2013 23:42 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:41 azzih wrote:
Lets see how Stephano and TLO will do tomorrow. I think they are the strongest foreigner zergs right now.

But i cant imagine will go well. Zerg right now has so many weaknesses and time windows you can take massive advantage of. And the new terran mech is brutal, even me as a maybe plat to diamond skilled terra can use this composition very easy and with good success. At least its much more easy to use then a bio force.


Not expecting too much from Stephano on HotS, but I have no idea how much he's been playing it.



How about TLO ?
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 06 2013 14:44 GMT
#993
On March 06 2013 23:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:34 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Am I the only one watching the resultpage on liquipedia wanting everyone on the right of the matchlist to keep winning? OCD strikes again


Judging by the remaining sets (and who's on the right side of the article), the rest of the right side could very well win!


Cmoooooon right side of the table!
KCCO!
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 06 2013 14:44 GMT
#994
On March 06 2013 23:41 Caletor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:39 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:37 looken wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:34 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:33 looken wrote:
funny how QXC does everything to justify these games without admitting that terran is just really really strong against zerg.


Here Qxc was trying not to say directly that Vortix made a terrible decision by going only queens and lings versus hellion, reaper, WM pressure.

what else should he have done? his roachwarren was maybe late yes, but there were 4 queens defending plus lings. thats a really solid defense on paper...


I'm so happy that it's no longer "a solid defence". Qxc told you what he should have done: roach warren earlier (when he scouted EVERYTHING), built spores and spines.


so he builds roaches spores and spines and defends. He is still behind 1 base and has no mapcontrol. This disadvantage is MUCH more severe than WoL standarts and I don't see that any zerg could overcome that gap. But maybe anyone can enlighten me? Cause I don't see how zerg could come out ahead even if he countered perfectly!


more queens and lings, earlier third.

People fall in the trap of trying to counter units this early in the metagame. Instead they should counter gameplay. There is no reason why VortiX should go for 2base speedroaches that early over taking a third and just throwing as much mineralstuff as possible at his opponent. At least not in a macrogame.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
March 06 2013 14:44 GMT
#995
dat split o_ô
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 06 2013 14:44 GMT
#996
On March 06 2013 23:43 Scrubwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:33 looken wrote:
funny how QXC does everything to justify these games without admitting that terran is just really really strong against zerg.

Funny how months of zergs dominating terrans, reflected in statistics, weren't proof of anything, but this one day is proof that terran is just really strong against zerg.
Bravo.


2011 statistics were not prove Terran was dominating back then either, funny how any suporter of any race is just the same.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
March 06 2013 14:44 GMT
#997
On March 06 2013 23:43 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:42 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:41 azzih wrote:
Lets see how Stephano and TLO will do tomorrow. I think they are the strongest foreigner zergs right now.

But i cant imagine will go well. Zerg right now has so many weaknesses and time windows you can take massive advantage of. And the new terran mech is brutal, even me as a maybe plat to diamond skilled terra can use this composition very easy and with good success. At least its much more easy to use then a bio force.


Not expecting too much from Stephano on HotS, but I have no idea how much he's been playing it.



How about TLO ?

He'll probably do something cute but ineffective and die to straight-up play.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 06 2013 14:45 GMT
#998
On March 06 2013 23:43 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:42 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:41 azzih wrote:
Lets see how Stephano and TLO will do tomorrow. I think they are the strongest foreigner zergs right now.

But i cant imagine will go well. Zerg right now has so many weaknesses and time windows you can take massive advantage of. And the new terran mech is brutal, even me as a maybe plat to diamond skilled terra can use this composition very easy and with good success. At least its much more easy to use then a bio force.


Not expecting too much from Stephano on HotS, but I have no idea how much he's been playing it.



How about TLO ?

TLO was one of the most active HOTS streamers towards the end at least.
Caletor
Profile Joined March 2013
32 Posts
March 06 2013 14:45 GMT
#999
On March 06 2013 23:43 Scrubwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:33 looken wrote:
funny how QXC does everything to justify these games without admitting that terran is just really really strong against zerg.

Funny how months of zergs dominating terrans, reflected in statistics, weren't proof of anything, but this one day is proof that terran is just really strong against zerg.
Bravo.


What do you mean? I think everyone agrees in this thread that zergs were favoured against terran the last year. However, this is a new game with new balance and I don't think its fair to say all zergs are noobs and deserve to get slaughtert by 10 minute pressure builds with 3 cc against 2 hatch and 4 queens.
How is the balance of the past even a matter in this discussion?
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 06 2013 14:45 GMT
#1000
On March 06 2013 23:43 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 23:42 AxionSteel wrote:
On March 06 2013 23:41 azzih wrote:
Lets see how Stephano and TLO will do tomorrow. I think they are the strongest foreigner zergs right now.

But i cant imagine will go well. Zerg right now has so many weaknesses and time windows you can take massive advantage of. And the new terran mech is brutal, even me as a maybe plat to diamond skilled terra can use this composition very easy and with good success. At least its much more easy to use then a bio force.


Not expecting too much from Stephano on HotS, but I have no idea how much he's been playing it.



How about TLO ?

well like ret, he's been playing a lot of HotS, so he should go okay...but then again it's a tough group

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