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On February 07 2013 20:28 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:26 Rollora wrote: I guess it is less embarassing now, that Stephano lost to him Why would it be embarrassing at all? wrong word choice, sorry. Too early in the morning, and EN not my mothers tongue ![](/mirror/smilies/frown.gif) I was going for something like it should shut the mouthes of those who say Stephano isn't Code S Material because he was 4-1 by Innovation (3 of theese won games where cheesy/allins). I don't say Innovation won already, but it is no shame to lose against him I guess ;-)
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On February 07 2013 20:30 Type|NarutO wrote: I think Bogus shows very well the superiority of KeSPa players (or their training/mindset). Not saying he's better than DRG or that he'll win for sure or even make the group, but the training they undergo and variety of builds they can bring to the table is amazing. I really feel that everyone that followed broodwar can relate to what I'm saying here.
Bogus can play standard games, cheese games. He can flip the coin. He is able to react and dictate games, enjoying his play very much! gogo Bogus! So... he's basically playing like an in-form Mvp, who isn't considered an elephant.
Wouldn't really call that "superior"
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On February 07 2013 20:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:26 Shellshock1122 wrote: GSL S1 2013 Code S Ro16 Group A ![](/mirror/smilies/zerg-big.gif) DongRaeGu vs ![](/mirror/smilies/terran-big.gif) INnoVation Game 2 (0-1) Map: Akilon Flats 0:00 ![](/mirror/smilies/zerg-big.gif) DongRaeGu spawns in the bottom right ![](/mirror/smilies/terran-big.gif) INnoVation spawns in the top left 1:40 rax first for Innovation 2:00 hatch first for DRG drone scout from DRG sees rax first pool for DRG 3:00 CC on the low ground for Innovation double gas for Innovation 4:00 Factory for Innovation 5:00 reactor for Innovation double gas for DRG Starport for Innovation reactored hellion production started for Innovation 6:00 double evo for DRG 3rd base for DRG ling speed started for DRG
7:00 banshee started for Innovation 3rd CC startedf or Innovation 1-1 started for DRG hellions trying to deny creep but queens chase them back
8:00 double ebay started for Innovation Lair started for DRG 2 more rax for Innovation 1-1 started for Innovation
9:00 banshee arrives at the main of DRG but DRG transfuses his queen to save it the banshee is chased away 2 more rax for Innovation Spire started for DRG baneling nest for DRG siege tank production started for Innovation
10:00 viking comes out for Innovation to harass overlords 3rd OC lands for Innovation armory for Innovation DRG breaking down the rocks to his 4th overseer scouts the main of Innovation combat shields started for DRG macro hatch for DRG siege mode started for Innovation
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On February 07 2013 20:31 bo1b wrote: Honestly what depresses me the most is people making it out like bogus had 3x the apm of drg that game. maybe you need to be a terran player to realize how freaking difficult it is to do what bogus was doing. microing your hellions everywhere denying creep whilst macroing is very unforgiving. It was spectacular play really.
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On February 07 2013 20:30 Type|NarutO wrote: I think Bogus shows very well the superiority of KeSPa players (or their training/mindset). Not saying he's better than DRG or that he'll win for sure or even make the group, but the training they undergo and variety of builds they can bring to the table is amazing. I really feel that everyone that followed broodwar can relate to what I'm saying here.
Bogus can play standard games, cheese games. He can flip the coin. He is able to react and dictate games, enjoying his play very much! gogo Bogus! I don't understand why everytime a kespa player plays, people feel the need to either point out how "superior" kespa players are, or start typical kespa vs ESF bullshit. He played well because he's an excellent player.
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I think it's more he demonstrates the potential level KesPa players might eventually reach. As it stands KesPa guys usually seem to have flashes of amazingness and then go full retard and die hideously.
I do think that their training regime gives them a potential higher ceiling, providing they can play at that level consistently. So far none of them - including Innovation - are playing at that consistent high level though.
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On February 07 2013 20:32 wildstyle1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:30 Tobblish wrote: 14500 people watching atm, more than when Stephano played. Really shows how good these games are! It is a lot more 15k on twitchtv rest ppl on gomtv.net The majority don't watch on GOM but yeah theres the korean stream as well.
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On February 07 2013 20:32 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:29 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 20:28 n0ise wrote:On February 07 2013 20:27 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 20:26 sudosu wrote:On February 07 2013 20:24 YyapSsap wrote: So does blizzard want most Ts to play like that? hahaha
Man that was insane. Sort of MMA-esque 2011 but on a whole new level.. If you don't go mech well...yeah... you're kinda supposed to get a third arm and outplay your opponent. Thats really not fair to drg at all lol. Defending two bases poking the third spreading creep etc still takes ridiculous multi tasking. honestly, if you go for subpar mutas and lose to drops, just don't go mutas tbh Got noise telling drg not to go mutas sick. yeah you're right, it worked fantastic for him Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:30 Eufouria wrote:On February 07 2013 20:28 n0ise wrote:On February 07 2013 20:27 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 20:26 sudosu wrote:On February 07 2013 20:24 YyapSsap wrote: So does blizzard want most Ts to play like that? hahaha
Man that was insane. Sort of MMA-esque 2011 but on a whole new level.. If you don't go mech well...yeah... you're kinda supposed to get a third arm and outplay your opponent. Thats really not fair to drg at all lol. Defending two bases poking the third spreading creep etc still takes ridiculous multi tasking. honestly, if you go for subpar mutas and lose to drops, just don't go mutas tbh It was so sick because Innovation dropped the main as DRG was trying to pressure the third with his mutas and lings and he defended his third while doing insane damage in the main and then managed to move his army into position at the 4th. He won the game right there in the ~20 seconds of incredible multitasking. yep, was pretty awesome to watch ^^, drg completely fell apart I agree, he shouldn't go muta/bane when it's basically what he's known for. I guess one drop getting through means he shouldn't do it.
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On February 07 2013 20:33 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:31 bo1b wrote: Honestly what depresses me the most is people making it out like bogus had 3x the apm of drg that game. maybe you need to be a terran player to realize how freaking difficult it is to do what bogus was doing. microing your hellions everywhere denying creep whilst macroing is very unforgiving. It was spectacular play really. I am a terran player lol.
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On February 07 2013 20:31 Mensol wrote: you have to subscribe for +540p? kind of joke is that? u don't suscribe only for 540p, but for watching VODs whenever you have time, for awesome commentary (the best english cast there is) and.... for a very high niveau at ok quality. BTW here it is for sure higher than 540+, looks more like 720, but I can be wrong
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On February 07 2013 20:33 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:30 Type|NarutO wrote: I think Bogus shows very well the superiority of KeSPa players (or their training/mindset). Not saying he's better than DRG or that he'll win for sure or even make the group, but the training they undergo and variety of builds they can bring to the table is amazing. I really feel that everyone that followed broodwar can relate to what I'm saying here.
Bogus can play standard games, cheese games. He can flip the coin. He is able to react and dictate games, enjoying his play very much! gogo Bogus! I don't understand why everytime a kespa player plays, people feel the need to either point out how "superior" kespa players are, or start typical kespa vs ESF bullshit. He played well because he's an excellent player.
Yeaaaaaaap.
But this is SC2 - its like Bloods and Crips...
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How the hell did DRG miss that medivac?!?
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Mech in this map is crazy bad.
Hope bogus doesn't go for it.
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On February 07 2013 20:31 Mensol wrote: you have to subscribe for +540p? kind of joke is that? The kind of joke that makes Gom the only big tournament (almost) that does not live off venture capital and sponsors to operate, having established an actual source of revenue.
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On February 07 2013 20:33 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:32 wildstyle1337 wrote:On February 07 2013 20:30 Tobblish wrote: 14500 people watching atm, more than when Stephano played. Really shows how good these games are! It is a lot more 15k on twitchtv rest ppl on gomtv.net The majority don't watch on GOM but yeah theres the korean stream as well. i think a similar amount watch on GOM and twitch? not many on KR stream i bet too, i think foreign viewers outnumber domestic by quite a bit
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Wtf are you doing Innovation? Two "useless" drops =/
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On February 07 2013 20:33 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:30 Type|NarutO wrote: I think Bogus shows very well the superiority of KeSPa players (or their training/mindset). Not saying he's better than DRG or that he'll win for sure or even make the group, but the training they undergo and variety of builds they can bring to the table is amazing. I really feel that everyone that followed broodwar can relate to what I'm saying here.
Bogus can play standard games, cheese games. He can flip the coin. He is able to react and dictate games, enjoying his play very much! gogo Bogus! I don't understand why everytime a kespa player plays, people feel the need to either point out how "superior" kespa players are, or start typical kespa vs ESF bullshit. He played well because he's an excellent player.
Don't know how its ESF vs KeSPa when I compliment the training/mindset of a KeSPa players or the KeSPa players overall. It just shows in most series that KeSPa players tend to be more build/map specific than the ESF ones. I did never bash ESF players and I also didn't say DRG is bad, I even complimented him earlier this thread, but as I said, everyone that did follow broodwar can and will relate to the training/mindset/preperation of the players that mirrors their behaviour in broodwar.
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I think this map is just impossible ZvT.... For terran that is.... Every terran doesn't only get crushed, but its so one sided the Terran looks like they shouldn't be in this tournament.
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he's not gonna do a 2/2 timing against lair tech Oo
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