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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 12:37:22
January 09 2013 12:36 GMT
#1801
On January 09 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:32 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Zinnwaldite wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Xpace wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:29 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:23 NexCa wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:15 Toxi78 wrote:
Saying hero is "clearly the better player" out of him and stephano is quite stupid considering that first it's very hard to compare 2 players overall when they play different races and second, stephano has a positive record vs HerO of about 13-8.
Not saying it proves the contrary either, but these 2 are quite evenly matched in terms of skills imo, but out of them Stephano seems to have a much better mentality which makes him a more consistent player over time (that's just my opinion though).


Stephano is 10 - 6 against HerO

source : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&vs=Z&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=1&from_day=14&to_year=2013&to_month=11&to_day=24&action=Update#tblt-4443-1-default-0-Stephano

Well Stephano's best m-u is ZvP while HerO's best m-u is not really PvZ (at least he's not specialized in it as Stephano is for ZvP). Anyway we'll see how Stephano does in GSL, afaic, I think Stephano and HerO's level are close


HerO was known for his PvZ until recent, no?


His PvZ has not been very good for quite some time..

Lol, as any protoss PvZ actually...
Edit: *except PartinG of course.


Yeah, nobody left with good, solid macro PvZ. Parting does show flashes of brilliance but mostly just immortal all ins. Can't say I blame him


Creator has some good 3 base timing builds.


True... what I meant is that nobody in the world knows how to play PvZ lategame. Rain, Creator and Parting all have their strong all ins but nobody knows how to do anything vs zerg later in the game.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12411 Posts
January 09 2013 12:36 GMT
#1802
On January 09 2013 21:20 Emzeeshady wrote:
This Code S is going to be AWESOME with tons of Terrans, a good amount of Zergs and almost no Toss. First time I will buy a ticket.


I can't believe you're getting such a pass for saying something like this.
No will to live, no wish to die
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
January 09 2013 12:36 GMT
#1803
On January 09 2013 21:35 Poopi wrote:
Note to myself : stop overrating, for the third time, KesPA players in Up&Down liquidbets.
T;T.
At least I got Bomber right, owning everyone but ByuN.


I never take much thought into the LB but when it comes to live thread prediction I do
The curse is real
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
January 09 2013 12:36 GMT
#1804
Bomber and Byul crushing, sorta like Squirtle and Taeja in their groups 2 days ago
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
January 09 2013 12:37 GMT
#1805
On January 09 2013 21:36 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:35 Poopi wrote:
Note to myself : stop overrating, for the third time, KesPA players in Up&Down liquidbets.
T;T.
At least I got Bomber right, owning everyone but ByuN.


I never take much thought into the LB but when it comes to live thread prediction I do

Lol I have already liquidbetted a 5-0 for Fantasy, gonna regret that imo.
WriterMaru
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
January 09 2013 12:37 GMT
#1806
F U GOM. It was running perfectly until now and now it's buffering uncontrollably... FDKYGFAUKYADUFVLU.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
January 09 2013 12:37 GMT
#1807
On January 09 2013 21:35 Inzan1ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:32 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Zinnwaldite wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Xpace wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:29 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:23 NexCa wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:15 Toxi78 wrote:
Saying hero is "clearly the better player" out of him and stephano is quite stupid considering that first it's very hard to compare 2 players overall when they play different races and second, stephano has a positive record vs HerO of about 13-8.
Not saying it proves the contrary either, but these 2 are quite evenly matched in terms of skills imo, but out of them Stephano seems to have a much better mentality which makes him a more consistent player over time (that's just my opinion though).


Stephano is 10 - 6 against HerO

source : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&vs=Z&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=1&from_day=14&to_year=2013&to_month=11&to_day=24&action=Update#tblt-4443-1-default-0-Stephano

Well Stephano's best m-u is ZvP while HerO's best m-u is not really PvZ (at least he's not specialized in it as Stephano is for ZvP). Anyway we'll see how Stephano does in GSL, afaic, I think Stephano and HerO's level are close


HerO was known for his PvZ until recent, no?


His PvZ has not been very good for quite some time..

Lol, as any protoss PvZ actually...
Edit: *except PartinG of course.


Rain...

He's 1-6 on his last 7 matches in PvZ in Kr...
GaliX
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany380 Posts
January 09 2013 12:38 GMT
#1808
On January 09 2013 21:35 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:34 GaliX wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:32 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Zinnwaldite wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Xpace wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:29 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:23 NexCa wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:15 Toxi78 wrote:
Saying hero is "clearly the better player" out of him and stephano is quite stupid considering that first it's very hard to compare 2 players overall when they play different races and second, stephano has a positive record vs HerO of about 13-8.
Not saying it proves the contrary either, but these 2 are quite evenly matched in terms of skills imo, but out of them Stephano seems to have a much better mentality which makes him a more consistent player over time (that's just my opinion though).


Stephano is 10 - 6 against HerO

source : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&vs=Z&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=1&from_day=14&to_year=2013&to_month=11&to_day=24&action=Update#tblt-4443-1-default-0-Stephano

Well Stephano's best m-u is ZvP while HerO's best m-u is not really PvZ (at least he's not specialized in it as Stephano is for ZvP). Anyway we'll see how Stephano does in GSL, afaic, I think Stephano and HerO's level are close


HerO was known for his PvZ until recent, no?


His PvZ has not been very good for quite some time..

Lol, as any protoss PvZ actually...
Edit: *except PartinG of course.



doing the same perfect all-in all the time doesnt mean you are a good PvZ player.


If you have a 90% winrate with it it douse.


it just shows you know how to execute this all in as most Zerg are just unable to hold.
But somehow you are right, I dont know what makes the Parting immortal stronger then other.

But as someone said. a Macro PvZ is impossible if you are on a equal level.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
January 09 2013 12:38 GMT
#1809
On January 09 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:32 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Zinnwaldite wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Xpace wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:29 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:23 NexCa wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:15 Toxi78 wrote:
Saying hero is "clearly the better player" out of him and stephano is quite stupid considering that first it's very hard to compare 2 players overall when they play different races and second, stephano has a positive record vs HerO of about 13-8.
Not saying it proves the contrary either, but these 2 are quite evenly matched in terms of skills imo, but out of them Stephano seems to have a much better mentality which makes him a more consistent player over time (that's just my opinion though).


Stephano is 10 - 6 against HerO

source : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&vs=Z&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=1&from_day=14&to_year=2013&to_month=11&to_day=24&action=Update#tblt-4443-1-default-0-Stephano

Well Stephano's best m-u is ZvP while HerO's best m-u is not really PvZ (at least he's not specialized in it as Stephano is for ZvP). Anyway we'll see how Stephano does in GSL, afaic, I think Stephano and HerO's level are close


HerO was known for his PvZ until recent, no?


His PvZ has not been very good for quite some time..

Lol, as any protoss PvZ actually...
Edit: *except PartinG of course.


Yeah, nobody left with good, solid macro PvZ. Parting does show flashes of brilliance but mostly just immortal all ins. Can't say I blame him


Creator has some good 3 base timing builds.



The best I would say. His 3 base timing is so fucking well optimized (i dunno if its the correct term btw) that a lot of
players copied it (including Rain).
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 09 2013 12:38 GMT
#1810
On January 09 2013 21:37 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:35 Inzan1ty wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:32 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Zinnwaldite wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Xpace wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:29 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:23 NexCa wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:15 Toxi78 wrote:
Saying hero is "clearly the better player" out of him and stephano is quite stupid considering that first it's very hard to compare 2 players overall when they play different races and second, stephano has a positive record vs HerO of about 13-8.
Not saying it proves the contrary either, but these 2 are quite evenly matched in terms of skills imo, but out of them Stephano seems to have a much better mentality which makes him a more consistent player over time (that's just my opinion though).


Stephano is 10 - 6 against HerO

source : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&vs=Z&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=1&from_day=14&to_year=2013&to_month=11&to_day=24&action=Update#tblt-4443-1-default-0-Stephano

Well Stephano's best m-u is ZvP while HerO's best m-u is not really PvZ (at least he's not specialized in it as Stephano is for ZvP). Anyway we'll see how Stephano does in GSL, afaic, I think Stephano and HerO's level are close


HerO was known for his PvZ until recent, no?


His PvZ has not been very good for quite some time..

Lol, as any protoss PvZ actually...
Edit: *except PartinG of course.


Rain...

He's 1-6 on his last 7 matches in PvZ in Kr...


Got slaughtered in Blizzard Cup group with zergs + Seed
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
January 09 2013 12:38 GMT
#1811
On January 09 2013 21:34 GaliX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:32 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Zinnwaldite wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Xpace wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:29 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:23 NexCa wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:15 Toxi78 wrote:
Saying hero is "clearly the better player" out of him and stephano is quite stupid considering that first it's very hard to compare 2 players overall when they play different races and second, stephano has a positive record vs HerO of about 13-8.
Not saying it proves the contrary either, but these 2 are quite evenly matched in terms of skills imo, but out of them Stephano seems to have a much better mentality which makes him a more consistent player over time (that's just my opinion though).


Stephano is 10 - 6 against HerO

source : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&vs=Z&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=1&from_day=14&to_year=2013&to_month=11&to_day=24&action=Update#tblt-4443-1-default-0-Stephano

Well Stephano's best m-u is ZvP while HerO's best m-u is not really PvZ (at least he's not specialized in it as Stephano is for ZvP). Anyway we'll see how Stephano does in GSL, afaic, I think Stephano and HerO's level are close


HerO was known for his PvZ until recent, no?


His PvZ has not been very good for quite some time..

Lol, as any protoss PvZ actually...
Edit: *except PartinG of course.



doing the same perfect all-in all the time doesnt mean you are a good PvZ player.

Well I didn't even say that. Though I think he is because his micro is way too good though.
tj341
Profile Joined October 2012
United States147 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-13 09:04:06
January 09 2013 12:39 GMT
#1812
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Digitalis
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1043 Posts
January 09 2013 12:39 GMT
#1813
On January 09 2013 21:37 Elite_ wrote:
F U GOM. It was running perfectly until now and now it's buffering uncontrollably... FDKYGFAUKYADUFVLU.


k... i thought it was just me :[
GaliX
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany380 Posts
January 09 2013 12:39 GMT
#1814
On January 09 2013 21:36 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:20 Emzeeshady wrote:
This Code S is going to be AWESOME with tons of Terrans, a good amount of Zergs and almost no Toss. First time I will buy a ticket.


I can't believe you're getting such a pass for saying something like this.


Maybe it's ironic.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
January 09 2013 12:39 GMT
#1815
On January 09 2013 21:37 Elite_ wrote:
F U GOM. It was running perfectly until now and now it's buffering uncontrollably... FDKYGFAUKYADUFVLU.


Try closing down the window if you a running popup or site if you aren't and open up a new page.
That helped me when I jumped from laggy/stuttering HQ to EHQ.
The curse is real
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
January 09 2013 12:40 GMT
#1816
On January 09 2013 21:24 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:15 Bowzar wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:08 mongmong wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:05 Bowzar wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On January 09 2013 20:56 stuchiu wrote:
The more Byul wins, the smarter Fionn looks.


Some people can recognize talent, most can't. Or they just don't follow as much SC2 as they claim.

I personally am proud of my predictions with regards to ByuL (since his GSTL Fnatic appearance) and Life (since his online bonjwa status).


I miss the Korean weeklies so much. I knew how good Life, Taeja and Hack were before everybody else did.



Hey I knew Life would win something big in the mid 2011.

:D


Whoah he just got out-hipster'd.

Sadly the interest for such tournaments is simply not there anymore. Not that it was that big to begin with. 99.5% of the community only gives a shit about you if either 1. You get hyped as fuck by Artosis only to disappoint forever or 2. You're already a well-established LAN winner.

;;


I wonder how popular Nestea would be if he didnt have his personal cheerleader. ^^


3 GSLs are still 3 GSLs, the problem is that most people don't seem or don't want to understand the fact that most of the opponents he played were just bad at the game. Consequently they've dropped out of GSL altogether during 2011 and are now either retired or playing other games. That's really the only major instance of bracket luck making a huge difference I can think of in SC2 other than MAYBE Jjakji's run.

This is completely unfair to Nestea.
Sure these players fell of now but back then they were the best, otherwise they wouldn't have been there in the first place.


He's just being retarded, Nestea has proven his worth just staying the hardest league of all more constantly than any other player.

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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
January 09 2013 12:40 GMT
#1817
On January 09 2013 21:38 GaliX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:35 Tobblish wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:34 GaliX wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:32 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Zinnwaldite wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Xpace wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:29 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:23 NexCa wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:15 Toxi78 wrote:
Saying hero is "clearly the better player" out of him and stephano is quite stupid considering that first it's very hard to compare 2 players overall when they play different races and second, stephano has a positive record vs HerO of about 13-8.
Not saying it proves the contrary either, but these 2 are quite evenly matched in terms of skills imo, but out of them Stephano seems to have a much better mentality which makes him a more consistent player over time (that's just my opinion though).


Stephano is 10 - 6 against HerO

source : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&vs=Z&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=1&from_day=14&to_year=2013&to_month=11&to_day=24&action=Update#tblt-4443-1-default-0-Stephano

Well Stephano's best m-u is ZvP while HerO's best m-u is not really PvZ (at least he's not specialized in it as Stephano is for ZvP). Anyway we'll see how Stephano does in GSL, afaic, I think Stephano and HerO's level are close


HerO was known for his PvZ until recent, no?


His PvZ has not been very good for quite some time..

Lol, as any protoss PvZ actually...
Edit: *except PartinG of course.



doing the same perfect all-in all the time doesnt mean you are a good PvZ player.


If you have a 90% winrate with it it douse.


it just shows you know how to execute this all in as most Zerg are just unable to hold.
But somehow you are right, I dont know what makes the Parting immortal stronger then other.

But as someone said. a Macro PvZ is impossible if you are on a equal level.

Soul
The curse is real
Soda-88
Profile Joined April 2012
Croatia476 Posts
January 09 2013 12:40 GMT
#1818
On January 09 2013 21:36 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:20 Emzeeshady wrote:
This Code S is going to be AWESOME with tons of Terrans, a good amount of Zergs and almost no Toss. First time I will buy a ticket.


I can't believe you're getting such a pass for saying something like this.

Typical bronze-diamond terran hero who dies to chargelots alot cause he can't stutterstep. Of course he's going to love it.
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany985 Posts
January 09 2013 12:40 GMT
#1819
Hero v Genius on Daybreak
Hero bottom left, Genius on the other side of the map
both pylon close to nex
both 13gate
genius' gas 2seconds earlier and genius checks for sneaky stuff in his main+nat but no scout
hero starts scouting
both 2nd gas at ~3:10
hero gets a zlot, genius doesnt
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
January 09 2013 12:41 GMT
#1820
On January 09 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 21:34 Dodgin wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:32 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Zinnwaldite wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:30 Xpace wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:29 samurai80 wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:23 NexCa wrote:
On January 09 2013 21:15 Toxi78 wrote:
Saying hero is "clearly the better player" out of him and stephano is quite stupid considering that first it's very hard to compare 2 players overall when they play different races and second, stephano has a positive record vs HerO of about 13-8.
Not saying it proves the contrary either, but these 2 are quite evenly matched in terms of skills imo, but out of them Stephano seems to have a much better mentality which makes him a more consistent player over time (that's just my opinion though).


Stephano is 10 - 6 against HerO

source : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=222&part=games&vs=Z&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=1&from_day=14&to_year=2013&to_month=11&to_day=24&action=Update#tblt-4443-1-default-0-Stephano

Well Stephano's best m-u is ZvP while HerO's best m-u is not really PvZ (at least he's not specialized in it as Stephano is for ZvP). Anyway we'll see how Stephano does in GSL, afaic, I think Stephano and HerO's level are close


HerO was known for his PvZ until recent, no?


His PvZ has not been very good for quite some time..

Lol, as any protoss PvZ actually...
Edit: *except PartinG of course.


Yeah, nobody left with good, solid macro PvZ. Parting does show flashes of brilliance but mostly just immortal all ins. Can't say I blame him


Creator has some good 3 base timing builds.


True... what I meant is that nobody in the world knows how to play PvZ lategame. Rain, Creator and Parting all have their strong all ins but nobody knows how to do anything vs zerg later in the game.



Exactly, this is why a lot of protoss players with great late game pvz got fucked *cough* Hero *cough*
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