EPT[Up/Down] Group D 2013 GSL Season 1 - Page 121
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18760 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:07 bittman wrote: Tell me the main reason Flash is a legend. Because he plays for KT or because he wins individual tournaments? Apply to every famous player. Stop discrediting the wins from the other players. sOs is a good player. He lost to people who played better. Maybe they do want it more, but that doesn't mean sOs turned up hoping to lose or something. Because he is better than other players. Not because he has practiced more for OSL than them. All who participated in OSL/MSL were kespa players and they more or less spent the same amount of time into practice percentages. And then you have GSL with ESF and kespa pros, ESF take the GSL the most prestigious tournament in the world and practice their asses off for it. And then you have the kespa pros who rate the PL more than individual tournaments which is a fact. I am not taking anything from anyone but if you believe ESF and kespa players rate the GSL at the same level you are mistaken. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:03 Emzeeshady wrote: Bomber's vZ and T were always more fun for me to watch despite not being his best matchups. I think all of his matchups are incredibly fun to watch, but imo in TvP he's way less likely to do stupid bombing shit and thrown won games - something that's really damn painful for me to watch. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:41 sharkie wrote: Because he is better than other players. Not because he has practiced more for OSL than them. All who participated in OSL/MSL were kespa players and they more or less spent the same amount of time into practice percentages. And then you have GSL with ESF and kespa pros, ESF take the GSL the most prestigious tournament in the world and practice their asses off for it. And then you have the kespa pros who rate the PL more than individual tournaments which is a fact. I am not taking anything from anyone but if you believe ESF and kespa players rate the GSL at the same level you are mistaken. Ok so I'm with you if your entire argument is indeed "Kespa players care more about PL than GSL" because that's true. Though this entire argument implies that it's the reason they are failing. Not because ESF players are actually better players on the night, but because Kespa players can't be bothered or something. I can't wait for ESF and Kespa to be all on the same schedule. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:41 sharkie wrote: Because he is better than other players. Not because he has practiced more for OSL than them. All who participated in OSL/MSL were kespa players and they more or less spent the same amount of time into practice percentages. And then you have GSL with ESF and kespa pros, ESF take the GSL the most prestigious tournament in the world and practice their asses off for it. And then you have the kespa pros who rate the PL more than individual tournaments which is a fact. I am not taking anything from anyone but if you believe ESF and kespa players rate the GSL at the same level you are mistaken. They do because kespa pros salaries & incentives are based on their performances in proleague thats why they work their asses off. It actually is a fact that bw legends all got their fame because of their championships in individual leagues. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:02 Zath.erin wrote: Players always try their hardest, quit going full retard. yea basically this. I think KeSPA players, since their switch to sc2, have gotten a bigger desire to go to foreign events and have a lot of foreign fans. They understand that the majority of us put GSL above all else in SC2. GSL is the most prestigious tournament in starcraft at the moment and if you want to make your mark on sc2, you do it in GSL. I understand PL is most important for them, but I guarantee they are still trying their asses off for GSL and at the end of the day, many of these progamers, eSF or KeSPA, spend most of their time laddering. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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Rhedsa
Costa Rica594 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:16 ACrow wrote: Hero vs Byun. Holy Shit. P late game being better than T late game is a myth that has been busted once and for all. PS: please Hero, work on gg timing  Right! :D that game was fucking awesome until the stare-off.. Now, how do we get to that stage of dominance ... | ||
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Chronos.
United States805 Posts
HerO not being in Code S though... bit of a surprise there, but I don't think he'll be out of it for too long. | ||
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MetalSlug
Germany443 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:41 sharkie wrote: Because he is better than other players. Not because he has practiced more for OSL than them. All who participated in OSL/MSL were kespa players and they more or less spent the same amount of time into practice percentages. And then you have GSL with ESF and kespa pros, ESF take the GSL the most prestigious tournament in the world and practice their asses off for it. And then you have the kespa pros who rate the PL more than individual tournaments which is a fact. I am not taking anything from anyone but if you believe ESF and kespa players rate the GSL at the same level you are mistaken. A fact ? Can you cite an scientific evidence supporting your claim or are you just pulling these facts out of your ass ? I actuall agree with your generell asumption that kespa players would rate a kespa tournament over a GomTv tournament, also the up/down format doesnt allow for much preperation beside the first match so esf player probably would have a leg up in such a scenario. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
If those understandings are true, then ESF players have a preparatory advantage over KESPA players when competing in the GSL. So... are those understandings true? | ||
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
On January 10 2013 11:53 Severedevil wrote: Player skill and preparation both play a huge role in which player wins a particular Starcraft match. It is my understanding that GSL generally takes priority over GSTL for ESF players, whereas Proleague takes priority over GSL for KESPA players. It is also my understanding that GSTL uses the same maps as GSL, whereas Proleague uses some maps that do not appear in GSL. If those understandings are true, then ESF players have a preparatory advantage over KESPA players when competing in the GSL. So... are those understandings true? yes and teaja performed well in both | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On January 10 2013 11:53 Severedevil wrote: Player skill and preparation both play a huge role in which player wins a particular Starcraft match. It is my understanding that GSL generally takes priority over GSTL for ESF players, whereas Proleague takes priority over GSL for KESPA players. It is also my understanding that GSTL uses the same maps as GSL, whereas Proleague uses some maps that do not appear in GSL. If those understandings are true, then ESF players have a preparatory advantage over KESPA players when competing in the GSL. So... are those understandings true? Depends on what you mean by "preparation." While some players do prepare specific strategies for specific players on specific maps, quite a few players also just ladder as preparation for the U&Ds, because they are BO1s. For instance, going through all the winner interviews for this U&D season, Yoda, Taeja, Byul, Losira, and DRG all stated that they just laddered a lot to prepare for these matches. Of those who don't mention laddering: Squirtle says he didn't prepare for opponents; instead he just worked on his basics and optimized his builds. MC doesn't say how he prepared, while Bomber says he prepared almost exclusively for TvP with teammates. So I'm honestly not sure if eSF players really have all that much of a "preparatory advantage" over KeSPA players when playing in the GSL U&Ds. Sure, some do, but tbh, it really just sounds like a lot of these players are just laddering and cleaning up their basics. (As a very extreme example, you can also look at the GSL S4 semifinals where Life stomped Taeja: Life says all he did was "ladder occasionally," because he didn't have time to really practice with his teammates.) | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
On January 10 2013 09:16 MetalSlug wrote: A fact ? Can you cite an scientific evidence supporting your claim or are you just pulling these facts out of your ass ? I actuall agree with your generell asumption that kespa players would rate a kespa tournament over a GomTv tournament, also the up/down format doesnt allow for much preperation beside the first match so esf player probably would have a leg up in such a scenario. It is a fact. Anyone who followed Broodwar will tell you the exact same thing. Proleague is their most important "league" Anyway, I'm not using that as an excuse, I think esf are just better overall than Kespa. But still. Asking to cite a source for Proleague being their most important event, is like asking me to cite a source that evolution is a theory. Everyone knows it. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:24 FabledIntegral wrote: Let's be honest - most people knew Bomber had the advantage in this group - why are there so many people surprised? He's generaly considered to be the best TvP player in the world, for quite a while now. I don't think so many people are surprised Bomber won this group. He was the second most favored in polls (and polls might have reflected more heart than head). Maybe the surprise came from how dominating his TvP looked, as it's not like his protoss opponents botched their match against him. It was more him being amazingly good in his best match-up. | ||
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
I'd restart sc2 if bomber makes it to ro8! | ||
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