When: Wednesday, Dec 12 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
Premier Division Group A is made up of four teams: StarTale, Evil Geniuses, FXO, and Prime. Group B contains LG-IM, MVP, Team Liquid, and Karont3. Both groups will play round robin against each other team in their group. When group stages are over, the top two teams from each Group will play in a playoff for the $9,000 first prize!
FXO asd Choya GuMiho JKS Leenock Lucky Sirius TheBest Tree Weekend kAsyu Tear Supreme VoidRay Whale Kong
Prime ByuN MarineKing Creator Maru AriA Classic Lucy Salmosa Bumblebee
This match of the IPTL Premier Division Group A is on Wednesday, Dec 12 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
Today's games will be commentated by Kevin Knocke and Kibbelz!
NOTE: We have changed the naming schema for this season of IPTL. We will now be naming our seasons by year (though I know you were all excited for IPTL XXVI). This will be IPTL 2013 Season 1.
On December 13 2012 05:32 mikkmagro wrote: Do you ask the teams to provide you with the player roster they will be using, or do you just copy/past from the previous IPTL and from Liquipedia?
Wish you could do that extra effort for us team league fans and do some sort of team and player profiles :E
looking forward to this match; FXO to win.
Copy/past from the previous IPTL and from Liquipedia because VoidRay, Tree, Weekend left the team long ago and Kong, kAsyu never played in any league for a while too I doubt they are still on the team. They also list all StarTale players but half of them left the team or retired. The most fresh rosters can be found here but is still rather outdated.
On December 13 2012 05:32 mikkmagro wrote: Do you ask the teams to provide you with the player roster they will be using, or do you just copy/past from the previous IPTL and from Liquipedia?
Wish you could do that extra effort for us team league fans and do some sort of team and player profiles :E
looking forward to this match; FXO to win.
We haven't gotten into the swing of things for this season yet, but for last season we posted Match previews/recaps on ign.com/ipl quite often.
On December 13 2012 05:32 mikkmagro wrote: Do you ask the teams to provide you with the player roster they will be using, or do you just copy/past from the previous IPTL and from Liquipedia?
Wish you could do that extra effort for us team league fans and do some sort of team and player profiles :E
looking forward to this match; FXO to win.
We haven't gotten into the swing of things for this season yet, but for last season we posted Match previews/recaps on ign.com/ipl quite often.
How can they submit rosters if in recent FXO report it is said that Tree, Weekend and VoidRay have left the team but they are listed here? Or how for example KingKong can be listed on StarTale roster if he lives in Australia and plays for Xeria Gaming now?
I know the Prime one is outdated as well. afaik Aria has left the team (not 100% sure on this though) and I know 100% fact that Salmosa has left the team. he told me he left the team and didn't exactly have kind words about Gerrard.
On December 13 2012 05:46 masterbreti wrote: I know the Prime one is outdated as well. afaik Aria has left the team (not 100% sure on this though) and I know 100% fact that Salmosa has left the team. he told me he left the team and didn't exactly have kind words about Gerrard.
Thx for the info it is so hard to have updated rosters when there is no information or news when and who left the team. It is like ST.Virus suddenly retired and there was no word about it.
If FXO can field Leenock+GuMiho, the only player I see holding against FXO is Creator, which isn't that great considering Prime can only hinge their efforts on one player who is fairly vulnerable against Terran recently, and can be defeated by Leenock.
HAHA It is Prime who need a fight FXO is a big favorite here
On December 13 2012 06:04 PhoenixVoid wrote: If FXO can field Leenock+GuMiho, the only player I see holding against FXO is Creator, which isn't that great considering Prime can only hinge their efforts on one player who is fairly vulnerable against Terran recently, and can be defeated by Leenock.
FXO 5-2 Prime
Tear is good as Creator is, he just need to qualify for any tournament to show it. Also Tear sniped Creator in GSTL.
On December 13 2012 05:32 mikkmagro wrote: Do you ask the teams to provide you with the player roster they will be using, or do you just copy/past from the previous IPTL and from Liquipedia?
Wish you could do that extra effort for us team league fans and do some sort of team and player profiles :E
looking forward to this match; FXO to win.
We haven't gotten into the swing of things for this season yet, but for last season we posted Match previews/recaps on ign.com/ipl quite often.
That's cool and all, but to be honest, I don't know how much you paid Liquid for their IPLTAC3 coverage but I'd be SHOCKED if it wasn't worth it. That ended up building just SOOOOO much hype. TAC 3 was easily my favourite teamleague event of 2012 (GSTL, KSL, EGMCSL and IPTL included).
On December 13 2012 06:04 PhoenixVoid wrote: If FXO can field Leenock+GuMiho, the only player I see holding against FXO is Creator, which isn't that great considering Prime can only hinge their efforts on one player who is fairly vulnerable against Terran recently, and can be defeated by Leenock.
FXO 5-2 Prime
Tear is good as Creator is, he just need to qualify for any tournament to show it. Also Tear sniped Creator in GSTL.
LOL! Putting Tear on the same level as Creator because he defended a 4gate against him once is kinda ridiculous. I agree that FXO has the hottest player in Leenock, because Prime has only one strong vZ player in Creator. But one should remember that Prime basically lost vs Symbol and Leenock in the last GSTL. They were up 4-3 and 4-1 before Symbol/Leenock came out, they were just lacking an answer for the Zerg ace in both series. Maybe they have found a solution this time.
Gumiho wants to show off just how insane his multi-tasking is now... he's agreed to play the entire 5 man squad from Prime simultaneously on 5 computers. I think he's got this.
On December 13 2012 09:03 Maloreon wrote: Gumiho wants to show off just how insane his multi-tasking is now... he's agreed to play the entire 5 man squad from Prime simultaneously on 5 computers. I think he's got this.
He lost pretty quickly in the last meeting of the teams
On December 13 2012 09:18 opterown wrote: prime gonna get stomped lol
I'll take this as spoilers since you know the results of everything that gets casted from replays
spoilers or not this should be pretty obvious haha
team leagues are harder to get spoilers for because they switch players very often, there are lots of holes i can't work out unless a player allkills, so i don't know for team leagues haha
HAHA It is Prime who need a fight FXO is a big favorite here
On December 13 2012 06:04 PhoenixVoid wrote: If FXO can field Leenock+GuMiho, the only player I see holding against FXO is Creator, which isn't that great considering Prime can only hinge their efforts on one player who is fairly vulnerable against Terran recently, and can be defeated by Leenock.
FXO 5-2 Prime
Tear is good as Creator is, he just need to qualify for any tournament to show it. Also Tear sniped Creator in GSTL.
LOL! Putting Tear on the same level as Creator because he defended a 4gate against him once is kinda ridiculous. I agree that FXO has the hottest player in Leenock, because Prime has only one strong vZ player in Creator. But one should remember that Prime basically lost vs Symbol and Leenock in the last GSTL. They were up 4-3 and 4-1 before Symbol/Leenock came out, they were just lacking an answer for the Zerg ace in both series. Maybe they have found a solution this time.
I wonder did you see him play? If he is not in GSL it does not mean that he is bad and can not be at the same level LOL! And not once :D
On December 13 2012 09:18 opterown wrote: prime gonna get stomped lol
I'll take this as spoilers since you know the results of everything that gets casted from replays
spoilers or not this should be pretty obvious haha
team leagues are harder to get spoilers for because they switch players very often, there are lots of holes i can't work out unless a player allkills, so i don't know for team leagues haha
MKP is losing his engagement sense, he did pretty poorly in Iron Squid versus Scarlett because he always engaged in bad situations (e.g on creep) and didn't scout BLs at all with even a scan.
HAHA It is Prime who need a fight FXO is a big favorite here
On December 13 2012 06:04 PhoenixVoid wrote: If FXO can field Leenock+GuMiho, the only player I see holding against FXO is Creator, which isn't that great considering Prime can only hinge their efforts on one player who is fairly vulnerable against Terran recently, and can be defeated by Leenock.
FXO 5-2 Prime
Tear is good as Creator is, he just need to qualify for any tournament to show it. Also Tear sniped Creator in GSTL.
LOL! Putting Tear on the same level as Creator because he defended a 4gate against him once is kinda ridiculous. I agree that FXO has the hottest player in Leenock, because Prime has only one strong vZ player in Creator. But one should remember that Prime basically lost vs Symbol and Leenock in the last GSTL. They were up 4-3 and 4-1 before Symbol/Leenock came out, they were just lacking an answer for the Zerg ace in both series. Maybe they have found a solution this time.
I wonder did you see him play? If he is not in GSL it does not mean that he is bad and can not be at the same level LOL! And not once :D
i disagree; i love tear but he is not as good as creator.
MKP is simply off in the past few weeks, his TvP and TvT is nowhere near what it once was just a few months ago haha. he's still good at tvp and tvt but not top2 at either like he used to be
I wonder if MKP's poor performance is due to a lack of good practice partners, it doesn't make sense to me that he can decline without traveling a lot. It's possible that he has become lazy and isn't practicing enough but I kind of doubt that. The only foreign tournament he went to in the past few months is WCG right?
to be honest in current korean teams, not very many have formal practice partners and the like, the vast majority of their practice is actually ladder. it's not like kespa teams at all, and teams like prime and mvp are pretty chill. the only one properly set up imo is FXO haha
On December 13 2012 09:49 Dodgin wrote: I wonder if MKP's poor performance is due to a lack of good practice partners, it doesn't make sense to me that he can decline without traveling a lot. It's possible that he has become lazy and isn't practicing enough but I kind of doubt that. The only foreign tournament he went to in the past few months is WCG right?
Prime needs to recruit some good players.
He must be playing some games because he streams plenty of replays >.>
Maru has always been very cheesy. His first game in Code A was a 2 Port Banshee vs Fruitdealer. He 11/11'ed a lot before Terrans started complaining about Zerg too.
Well the stream fail gives me a chance to stop watching and post here, I have to say that Lucky played that game beautifully. He won with 2/2 ling/bane and 1-0 mutas vs 3-3 marines, just amazing moves and tons of skill. No infestor usage at all.
Lucky didn't play brilliantly here, but Byun made a lot of questionable tactical choices in that game, that lead step to step to his defeat. You can talk about imbalance sometimes, you can talk about bad play sometimes, but here it's neither of it. Byun did not play overall bad, he just oftentimes made the wrong decision and had some very bad tactical positioning. very sad to see
On December 13 2012 10:34 Dodgin wrote: Well the stream fail gives me a chance to stop watching and post here, I have to say that Lucky played that game beautifully. He won with 2/2 ling/bane and 1-0 mutas vs 3-3 marines, just amazing moves and tons of skill. No infestor usage at all.
And not a single BL or Infestor was built that day.
On December 13 2012 10:34 Dodgin wrote: Well the stream fail gives me a chance to stop watching and post here, I have to say that Lucky played that game beautifully. He won with 2/2 ling/bane and 1-0 mutas vs 3-3 marines, just amazing moves and tons of skill. No infestor usage at all.
And not a single BL or Infestor was built that day.
nope, just throwing shit tons of ling bling mutas into the Terran over and over and over again
On December 13 2012 10:34 Dodgin wrote: Well the stream fail gives me a chance to stop watching and post here, I have to say that Lucky played that game beautifully. He won with 2/2 ling/bane and 1-0 mutas vs 3-3 marines, just amazing moves and tons of skill. No infestor usage at all.
And not a single BL or Infestor was built that day.
nope, just throwing shit tons of ling bling mutas into the Terran over and over and over again
If you run into a wall enough times, it will eventually crumble... right?
On December 13 2012 10:34 Dodgin wrote: Well the stream fail gives me a chance to stop watching and post here, I have to say that Lucky played that game beautifully. He won with 2/2 ling/bane and 1-0 mutas vs 3-3 marines, just amazing moves and tons of skill. No infestor usage at all.
And not a single BL or Infestor was built that day.
yes you can still win with muta ling baneling.. but why bother if its so much easier to do it with infestor broodlord.. so much gas got wasted inefficiently with banelings and mutas... that game was over a long time ago but byun could delay his defeat for so long like this
On December 13 2012 10:34 Dodgin wrote: Well the stream fail gives me a chance to stop watching and post here, I have to say that Lucky played that game beautifully. He won with 2/2 ling/bane and 1-0 mutas vs 3-3 marines, just amazing moves and tons of skill. No infestor usage at all.
And not a single BL or Infestor was built that day.
yes you can still win with muta ling baneling.. but why bother if its so much easier to do it with infestor broodlord.. so much gas got wasted inefficiently with banelings and mutas... that game was over a long time ago but byun could delay his defeat for so long like this
So we can marvel at his skill!
Maybe It's a style change based on the infestor nerfs.
On December 13 2012 10:34 Dodgin wrote: Well the stream fail gives me a chance to stop watching and post here, I have to say that Lucky played that game beautifully. He won with 2/2 ling/bane and 1-0 mutas vs 3-3 marines, just amazing moves and tons of skill. No infestor usage at all.
And not a single BL or Infestor was built that day.
yes you can still win with muta ling baneling.. but why bother if its so much easier to do it with infestor broodlord.. so much gas got wasted inefficiently with banelings and mutas... that game was over a long time ago but byun could delay his defeat for so long like this
Muta ling baneling loses effectiveness after a while, especially if Terran gets 3/3 marines. If Byun had properly walled off after the 5th time he let lings into his base, the game would've looked a lot different.
Pretty cool build. Hits at 11 minutes with like fewer units than a normal immortal sentry all in but with a couple of phoenixes, and opponent doesn't even have a roach warren yet...
On December 13 2012 10:55 yankjenets wrote: Pretty cool build. Hits at 11 minutes with like fewer units than a normal immortal sentry all in but with a couple of phoenixes, and opponent doesn't even have a roach warren yet...
On December 13 2012 10:38 ThePowerHour wrote: Today I learned IPTL records their whole broadcast beforehand and then plays it.
Which is good in order to avoid eventual technical mishaps. ..oh wait
Haha, yup. I don't mind it, I just love learning how this stuff works!
Me neither as long as we don't miss anything or get spoiled.
Wasnt that how NASL 1 worked, but they played wrong matches nonetheless? Oh how much NASL improved since then.
I think so. Or maybe they didn't at first but switched in order to buy time for themselves. Don't remember. Sometimes I feel like I was the only one who actually enjoyed the first NASL season. xD
The chat was good, they had re-broadcasts for us Euro peeps and I could watch the vods in great quality in my own time if work or gym came in the way. The finals was a bad experience though. So bad that I didn't pay for the second season.
FXO wins without having to use Leenock, Tear or Gumiho.
I'm not sure if FXO is godly or Prime is just not good enough anymore. LG-IM beat Prime in the last IPTL season using only True and Dreamertt as well, they are losing to lineups that a top team simply should not lose to. edit: my memory failed me, that was TSL and not Prime. LG-IM First all killed Prime last season, PartinG did too actually.
On December 13 2012 11:33 opterown wrote: how did creator lose? missed it lol
I'm not 100% sure, but Whale did some weird Bane drop build with Infestors while Creator geared for a Gateway+Immortal attack that failed to break Whale. Whale did some damage with Lings+Banes and got to a strong Infestor count, and massed Roaches with +1 Ranged Attack and constantly pressured Creator's third. Whale used lots of Infested Terrans, and eventually broke Creator just a few seconds before he had Psi Storm.
Wow FXO is getting better and better at team leagues. 6 months ago it would have looked like a 100% write off for most viewers.
It's hard to think of any team that I wouldn't rate FXO as the favourite against now with their back to back GSTL and all players bringing their a-game to these team leagues.
Can't deny that FXO has been improving, but the fact that two rather unknown FXO players took out Prime's cream of the crop is disheartening for any Prime fan. Prime needs to get back into shape soon, or else other eSF and KeSPA teams might overwhelm them soon in terms of skill and results.
On December 13 2012 11:57 PhoenixVoid wrote: Can't deny that FXO has been improving, but the fact that two rather unknown FXO players took out Prime's cream of the crop is disheartening for any Prime fan. Prime needs to get back into shape soon, or else other eSF and KeSPA teams might overwhelm them soon in terms of skill and results.
In my opinion It's already happening. I don't know much about Prime's financials but the state of their roster is horrible, they have a bad practice environment compared to the other top ESF teams and it shows. Creator is saving them right now by being amazing but he can't carry the team on his back forever. In the previous IPTL season they were all killed twice, once by First and also by Parting, then they narrowly defeated TSL 5-4, the team that went 0-3 in the group. In GSTL S3 they beat Fnatic and lost to everyone else.
In individual leagues, Maru is in Code B, Byun is not performing well since his loss to Seed in 2012 S3 and Classic has not made a splash anywhere. Marineking did make it to the ro8 in S5 but his series against Ryung was horrible and he has been completely unimpressive since then. The only beacon of hope on their team is Creator. 2012 S5 ro8, BWC 2nd place, did pretty well in IPL5 and has advanced from his Iron Squid group only losing to Life. Oh, and there's Terious aka bumblebee, who hasn't done anything in forever.
I guess it sounds pretty bad when I put it like that, I don't know what they need to do to bounce back because I'm not a team manager and I won't pretend to be an expert on these kinds of things but something needs to change for them.
On December 13 2012 11:57 PhoenixVoid wrote: Can't deny that FXO has been improving, but the fact that two rather unknown FXO players took out Prime's cream of the crop is disheartening for any Prime fan. Prime needs to get back into shape soon, or else other eSF and KeSPA teams might overwhelm them soon in terms of skill and results.
Whale may be rather unknown but I've been stealing zvp builds from him for over a year, he's a fucking boss ZvP so the last result wasn't much of a surprise.
On December 13 2012 12:31 redFF wrote: I'm looking at the divisions and I'm curious, do IGN really think that Karon3 is better than Acer/NHS/TSL/Fnatic?
Team Spain got lucky that Slayers died before their Up/Down match, so I wouldn't rank them above HoSeo/Fnatic and certainly not TSL (who lost 5-4 to FXO), but they're a good team.
Sad to see Prime lose like that but FXO is on fire recently. Whale impressed me against Creator with his drop play, i guess it's good to have Leenock as a team partner :p
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