When: Tuesday, Dec 11 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
Premier Division Group A is made up of four teams: StarTale, Evil Geniuses, FXO, and Prime. Group B contains LG-IM, MVP, Team Liquid, and Karont3. Both groups will play round robin against each other team in their group. When group stages are over, the top two teams from each Group will play in a playoff for the $9,000 first prize!
StarTale AcE Avenge Bomber Curious Hack Harrier July Life PartinG Sound Squirtle SuHoSin TREME Aphrodite Virus Brain KingKong MisS Pet Sparta SoN Tiger Zero
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
Today's games will be commentated by Kevin Knocke and Kibbelz!
NOTE: We have changed the naming schema for this season of IPTL. We will now be naming our seasons by year (though I know you were all excited for IPTL XXVI). This will be IPTL 2013 Season 1.
On December 12 2012 06:12 LockeTazeline wrote: Interesting starting game. I could see Revival winning that but still StarTale 5-3.
Dont forget they have Incontrol, Lzgamer and Machine! Could go to an ace!
You know that Lzgamer was one game away from getting into groups last MLG, but got beaten by Rain, right? Not saying he can stand up to Startale but he's certainly not bad...
Group A is insane. I doubt we will see any foreigners other than Stephano play for EG. PuMa, JYP, Revival, JD, and Stephano is probably the roster they will use for all their games.
On December 12 2012 08:01 HotGlueGun wrote: Group A is insane. I doubt we will see any foreigners other than Stephano play for EG. PuMa, JYP, Revival, JD, and Stephano is probably the roster they will use for all their games.
Wouldn't be surprised for them to use their "Proleague roster" and throw in Idra, Huk and Thorzain too. Definitely if they were in Korea when these games were played, which the latter two are, whereas Stephano and Idra are not and they would want to avoid cross-server play.
Just checked out the contender division... Boy did Acer get the bitter end of the stick there. Though if Fnatic keeps on shrinking I guess it might not be so bad.
I am always amazed at how enormously huge the StarTale team is. With the current form of their players I don't think EG will win this. EG has tons of really good players but StarTale is just insane. I doubt they can take out a GSL champion with Life, The BWC and WCG champions and on top of that players like Squirtle, Bomber, Curious and so many more talented players.
On December 12 2012 08:05 opterown wrote: sad to think with HOTS around the corner, i won't be able to bnet stalk results anymore ;p
not that i actually know the results of this series mind you
I never quite understood why you wanted to do that
i'm more invested in cheering for players rather than actually seeing the games themselves. i think it's what happens when you cheer for a team/player but don't really mind about the quality of the play haha
On December 12 2012 08:05 opterown wrote: sad to think with HOTS around the corner, i won't be able to bnet stalk results anymore ;p
not that i actually know the results of this series mind you
I never quite understood why you wanted to do that
i'm more invested in cheering for players rather than actually seeing the games themselves. i think it's what happens when you cheer for a team/player but don't really mind about the quality of the play haha
I get it. I like that tense feeling you get from watching games with your favorite players though. Not knowing whether he'll win or not.
On December 12 2012 09:35 sitromit wrote: Parting had a huge window to kill Revival but didn't use it. Now he'll be up against Broodlords. I don't get it.
On December 12 2012 09:39 JJH777 wrote: I don't there's anyone on EG who can beat Parting tbh. Maybe JYP since it's PvP.
Eh I think JYP/Jaedong/Stephano could beat parting. Puma can possibly do it to, but I haven't seen him play in so long I have no idea what his skill levels at.
Beating Parting will be really difficult for EG. Their greatest strength lies in zerg players, and that's a poor option against him. Perhaps sniping him with some T or P all in, but he's such a solid player I don't see that happening.
On December 12 2012 09:39 JJH777 wrote: I don't there's anyone on EG who can beat Parting tbh. Maybe JYP since it's PvP.
Eh I think JYP/Jaedong/Stephano could beat parting. Puma can possibly do it to, but I haven't seen him play in so long I have no idea what his skill levels at.
Plus anything can happen in a 1 on 1 anyway. I can picture EG using Idra as a zvz sniper in proleague.
On December 12 2012 09:43 KristofferAG wrote: Have IPL announced how many IPTL seasons will be each year, orrr?
I don't think they have announced much of anything, the only reason I knew IPTL was coming back today is because I follow the IPL account on Twitter, they did a poor job of hyping up their new season on Reddit/TL.
On December 12 2012 09:43 KristofferAG wrote: Have IPL announced how many IPTL seasons will be each year, orrr?
I don't think they have announced much of anything, the only reason I knew IPTL was coming back today is because I follow the IPL account on Twitter, they did a poor job of hyping up their new season on Reddit/TL.
On December 12 2012 09:54 Soyuz wrote: Why on earth did he back up to an enclosed space....
I was really surprised too, you would think that a player of PuMa's caliber would know NOT to back into tight areas when he saw HTs, which obviously means Storms.
On December 12 2012 09:54 Soyuz wrote: Why on earth did he back up to an enclosed space....
I was really surprised too, you would think that a player of PuMa's caliber would know NOT to back into tight areas when he saw HTs, which obviously means Storms.
nah man the HTs were obviously to feedback the orbital commands
haha that would be pretty funny tbh, feedback OC, warp DT
To make it clear: Thorzain is not a bad player, in fact he might be one of EG's strongest. But going with Huk for a PvP or Jaedong for a PvZ on a more Z favorable map would just be 1000times better than throwing terran after terran at Parting. There are only 4 Terrans in the world I would consider sending against Parting if they are in form: Marineking, Polt, Bomber, Byun - none of them is on EG though!
On December 12 2012 09:54 Soyuz wrote: Why on earth did he back up to an enclosed space....
I was really surprised too, you would think that a player of PuMa's caliber would know NOT to back into tight areas when he saw HTs, which obviously means Storms.
nah man the HTs were obviously to feedback the orbital commands
haha that would be pretty funny tbh, feedback OC, warp DT
On December 12 2012 09:54 Soyuz wrote: Why on earth did he back up to an enclosed space....
I was really surprised too, you would think that a player of PuMa's caliber would know NOT to back into tight areas when he saw HTs, which obviously means Storms.
nah man the HTs were obviously to feedback the orbital commands
haha that would be pretty funny tbh, feedback OC, warp DT
Well, qxc EMPed orbitals in the past...
Drop ghost > emp orbitals > harass with banshee > go mass raven
On December 12 2012 10:01 TeeTS wrote: To make it clear: Thorzain is not a bad player, in fact he might be one of EG's strongest. But going with Huk for a PvP or Jaedong for a PvZ on a more Z favorable map would just be 1000times better than throwing terran after terran at Parting. There are only 4 Terrans in the world I would consider sending against Parting if they are in form: Marineking, Polt, Bomber, Byun - none of them is on EG though!
On December 12 2012 10:01 TeeTS wrote: To make it clear: Thorzain is not a bad player, in fact he might be one of EG's strongest. But going with Huk for a PvP or Jaedong for a PvZ on a more Z favorable map would just be 1000times better than throwing terran after terran at Parting. There are only 4 Terrans in the world I would consider sending against Parting if they are in form: Marineking, Polt, Bomber, Byun - none of them is on EG though!
MVP is better than all 4 of those players.
not at traditional TvP he isn't (when all are in form)
On December 12 2012 10:01 TeeTS wrote: To make it clear: Thorzain is not a bad player, in fact he might be one of EG's strongest. But going with Huk for a PvP or Jaedong for a PvZ on a more Z favorable map would just be 1000times better than throwing terran after terran at Parting. There are only 4 Terrans in the world I would consider sending against Parting if they are in form: Marineking, Polt, Bomber, Byun - none of them is on EG though!
MVP is better than all 4 of those players.
Haha not when he's playing team leagues. MVP can be really good, when he is on form and prepared. But atm that doesn't seem to be the case!
to the game: at least parting makes it fast and less painful :o
On December 12 2012 10:07 MangoMountain wrote: Just... how. It's one of the oldest builds in the book and thorzain just got rolled by it, is it really that hard to scout?
Forcefields... He reacted immediately and would of held, but forcefields just prevented him
On December 12 2012 10:07 MangoMountain wrote: Just... how. It's one of the oldest builds in the book and thorzain just got rolled by it, is it really that hard to scout?
Forcefields... He reacted immediately and would of held, but forcefields just prevented him
you just need a second bunker finished when the attack hits you. Then you have enough time to dish out damage before you lose all your units haha. seriously a 2nd bunker holds this pressure reasonably well most of the time. Thorzain just was too greedy.
On December 12 2012 10:07 MangoMountain wrote: Just... how. It's one of the oldest builds in the book and thorzain just got rolled by it, is it really that hard to scout?
Forcefields... He reacted immediately and would of held, but forcefields just prevented him
you just need a second bunker finished when the attack hits you. Then you have enough time to dish out damage before you lose all your units haha. seriously a 2nd bunker holds this pressure reasonably well most of the time. Thorzain just was too greedy.
Don't know if Parting knows Thorzain's style, but he usually is too greedy
I think EG does have a chance. Especially if Stephano is on fire like he was at the World Championship earlier this month. That being said EG does have a chance, but I don't think they'll win. Startale has too many badasses.
He would have done much better to just clear the probes at the natural out and then rush home and try to trade effectively with the army over and over. Parting's warp-ins would have been cut in half with such a low economy, Dong probably could have won that?
On December 12 2012 10:20 blade55555 wrote: wow I think jaedong had that but then he did a counter attack which was a big mistake
I thought he was gonna snipe the core, leave some lings at the nat and reposition his army but he went for the base trade all together. He was doing so well already sniping two sentries near Parting's base.
On December 12 2012 10:21 Maloreon wrote: He would have done much better to just clear the probes at the natural out and then rush home and try to trade effectively with the army over and over. Parting's warp-ins would have been cut in half with such a low economy, Dong probably could have won that?
Yea as soon as he saw that there were cannons and sentries in the main I think he should of just left some lings to kill the probes at the natural and retreated. Who knows if that would of worked cuz JD only had lings.
I thought Jaedong had that for a sec o_o Stephano time I assume, defeating the rest of the ST line-up is like trying to all-kill the Korean All-Stars :l
On December 12 2012 10:20 Black Gun wrote: wait, what? didnt parting vs puma start 10 minutes ago? and now i come back and puma, thorzain and jd are all dead? wtf?
Counterattacking seeming like the right way to deal with that, it just wasn't executed perfeclty (not sending the second big ling wave/not builidng Spines and such). Perhaps it could have ended in one base Parting vs. 2 base JD if he had done more to hold the push. Nice try though, perhaps he can get this to work.
I can't really remember seeing a zerg try to base trade the Protoss with roach/ling. That made it look impossible though if the P gets up sentries and cannons in his main.
Really thought Jaedong had the units to beat that push. He was doing it all right, forcing an engagement right as Parting moved out. After seeing that defense from Parting though, I doubt he'll ever try that counter again.
On December 12 2012 10:20 blade55555 wrote: wow I think jaedong had that but then he did a counter attack which was a big mistake
I thought he was gonna snipe the core, leave some lings at the nat and reposition his army but he went for the base trade all together. He was doing so well already sniping two sentries near Parting's base.
Yeah I think if he'd just killed all the probes at the natural very quickly then retreated home he could have held over a long fight. Parting's warp-ins would have been so much lower than normal for the build and Jaedong probably could have won with superior economy. Maybe he'd lose a hatch. With perfect execution that is, it could have gone much differently. Attacking at a full wall-off vs. 2 sentries + 3 cannons was total fail though.
There's a reason Parting walls off up his ramp. Clearly, based on his experience, losing his Natural doesn't prevent him from winning with this push, otherwise it would be pointless.
On December 12 2012 10:20 ref4 wrote: lol JYPeee really?
JYP is the best player on EG and he is without a doubt the player with the best chance against Parting.
Stephano?
JYP is better than Stephano IMO. Even if you don't think he is you can't think sending another zerg would be a good idea can you?
I think he's a slightly better choice against PartinG, yeah. But in general Stephano would be better. I'd give Stephano a 2-3% chance of beating everyone left on Startale. I'd give JYP 0% of a chance, no way in hell EG is gonna win this now.
Stephano was probably drunk anyway when they played this, so it doesn't really matter.
On December 12 2012 10:26 sitromit wrote: There's a reason Parting walls off up his ramp. Clearly, based on his experience, losing his Natural doesn't prevent him from winning with this push, otherwise it would be pointless.
It's a good reaction to wall-off that way but he's working with half the economy if JD just wipes out all the probes (would have taken all of 5 seconds) and then returns home. Then Parting is walled into his main with 1/2 economy. The push should not work with such bad warp-in rounds.
On December 12 2012 10:20 Black Gun wrote: wait, what? didnt parting vs puma start 10 minutes ago? and now i come back and puma, thorzain and jd are all dead? wtf?
Yeah, either the builds are totally broken, or EG players are totally uncapable of executing the defense of these builds. In all cases, they knew it was coming. Puma stopped it, then screwed the second all in; TZ didn't even survive the first wave. JD tried a fancy counterattack, but couldn't get to Parting's main.
I really think Parting is the strongest player in the world right now along with Leenock (just personal bias here). He's just so insane: godlike macro, godlike micro, the scariest timings and all-ins vs. all races. He's all business.
On December 12 2012 10:38 TheDougler wrote: I missed it, how did JYP hold that first push of Parting's?
immortal bases compositions normally are not able to really attack in PvP because of forcefields. forcefields are much better to use defensively. Parting had an advantage, but JYP had forcefields and some zealots and that was enough.
another big blow to EG within a few days though :O
On December 12 2012 10:38 DODswe4 wrote: EG smashed by Parting. Wish that EG would have showed a better performance
Poor lineup choices. JYP should have been sent out immediately after PartinG took out Revival and then go from there. Thorzain was a poor choice and JaeDong was the poorest of choices, especially considering how terribly he performs against the immo/sentry.
so much about all the guys who proclaimed "eg strongest team in the world" and other nonsense after the signup of jd and revival. all-killed by parting.
On December 12 2012 10:38 DODswe4 wrote: EG smashed by Parting. Wish that EG would have showed a better performance
Poor lineup choices. JYP should have been sent out immediately after PartinG took out Revival and then go from there. Thorzain was a poor choice and JaeDong was the poorest of choices, especially considering how terribly he performs against the immo/sentry.
So who should EG send, Stephano? Another easy immortal sentry all in.
On December 12 2012 10:42 StarStruck wrote: JD is going to have to learn how to play against it eventually Dosey.
Sometimes you need tough love.
JYPvZ can give him plenty of practice in the EG house, where it doesn't hurt them in team leagues o_O
You have to keep in mind that they're paying him to play at the same time and there are a lot of people who want to see him play. You also have other players vouching for him as well when it comes to ZvP. It is what it is and playing against PartinG in league format is a great learning experience. You gain a lot more from losing than winning and playing against better players.
On December 12 2012 10:38 DODswe4 wrote: EG smashed by Parting. Wish that EG would have showed a better performance
Poor lineup choices. JYP should have been sent out immediately after PartinG took out Revival and then go from there. Thorzain was a poor choice and JaeDong was the poorest of choices, especially considering how terribly he performs against the immo/sentry.
So who should EG send, Stephano? Another easy immortal sentry all in.
Not so sure, Stephano can react well to builds he's already faced.
On December 12 2012 10:38 DODswe4 wrote: EG smashed by Parting. Wish that EG would have showed a better performance
Poor lineup choices. JYP should have been sent out immediately after PartinG took out Revival and then go from there. Thorzain was a poor choice and JaeDong was the poorest of choices, especially considering how terribly he performs against the immo/sentry.
So who should EG send, Stephano? Another easy immortal sentry all in.
IMO, Huk instead of Thorzain. Huk's PvP is his best match up and has been good for quite a long time (including beating Parting this year). Sure, he is probably sniped by a zerg (likely) even if he wins, but much better than being completely rolled like Thorzain was.
On December 12 2012 10:38 DODswe4 wrote: EG smashed by Parting. Wish that EG would have showed a better performance
Poor lineup choices. JYP should have been sent out immediately after PartinG took out Revival and then go from there. Thorzain was a poor choice and JaeDong was the poorest of choices, especially considering how terribly he performs against the immo/sentry.
So who should EG send, Stephano? Another easy immortal sentry all in.
Not so sure, Stephano can react well to builds he's already faced.
Which top zerg hasn't faced this build...seriously, saying all of them "can't react well" would be ridiculous.
On December 12 2012 10:42 StarStruck wrote: JD is going to have to learn how to play against it eventually Dosey.
Sometimes you need tough love.
JYPvZ can give him plenty of practice in the EG house, where it doesn't hurt them in team leagues o_O
You have to keep in mind that they're paying him to play at the same time and there are a lot of people who want to see him play. You also have other players vouching for him as well when it comes to ZvP. It is what it is and playing against PartinG in league format is a great learning experience. You gain a lot more from losing than winning and playing against better players.
Then lead out with him and save your new recruit/faceless korean #562 for a snipe. That way you give him even more experience by playing a ZvZ first and you are guaranteeing that ST will send out a Protoss while picking Ohana because JD just got smashed on it less than a week ago.
On December 12 2012 11:17 tuho12345 wrote: lol stop arguing about JD already. EG pay him not to play, but to show up. JD is more of an advertising than a core player for them.
He's actually winning his Code A games so he's probably one of their better players. I'd say he's a core player for their team
On December 12 2012 11:17 tuho12345 wrote: lol stop arguing about JD already. EG pay him not to play, but to show up. JD is more of an advertising than a core player for them.
He's actually winning his Code A games so he's probably one of their better players. I'd say he's a core player for their team
he's there ONLY Code A player
That too. He even qualified on his own. no seed for this Code A so I'd say he's doing alright
On December 12 2012 11:17 tuho12345 wrote: lol stop arguing about JD already. EG pay him not to play, but to show up. JD is more of an advertising than a core player for them.
He's actually winning his Code A games so he's probably one of their better players. I'd say he's a core player for their team
On December 12 2012 11:17 tuho12345 wrote: lol stop arguing about JD already. EG pay him not to play, but to show up. JD is more of an advertising than a core player for them.
On December 12 2012 11:17 tuho12345 wrote: lol stop arguing about JD already. EG pay him not to play, but to show up. JD is more of an advertising than a core player for them.
Honestly, he's a pretty good player.
If he trains like he did in BW hes bound to become even better. After all hes a legend from BW
On December 12 2012 11:17 tuho12345 wrote: lol stop arguing about JD already. EG pay him not to play, but to show up. JD is more of an advertising than a core player for them.
He's actually winning his Code A games so he's probably one of their better players. I'd say he's a core player for their team
Can we please get something new to listen to between the games? That two minute wubwub with the word "one" said/yelled 36(!) times is getting on my nerves...and you play it twice in a row. x_x
On December 12 2012 12:21 GunPaladin wrote: This isn't the first time Parting has all-killed and it won't be the last. I think we all know what has to happen...........
On December 12 2012 12:21 GunPaladin wrote: This isn't the first time Parting has all-killed and it won't be the last. I think we all know what has to happen...........
On December 12 2012 13:14 LockeTazeline wrote: Yes, Parting! What a nice welcome home present. So boss. Even though it was just EG, that still makes like 3 all-kills in as many months.
Jaedong seemed in really good shape against parting, if he'd just pulled back after trashing the natural and used his reinforcements to flank the push instead of trying to break into the main he would have had a decent chance of holding and coming out ahead. Just a matter of experience, I guess.
On December 12 2012 13:14 LockeTazeline wrote: Yes, Parting! What a nice welcome home present. So boss. Even though it was just EG, that still makes like 3 all-kills in as many months.
lol what is this "just EG"?
Prime/IM>EG Nothing against Revival/Puma/Thorzain/Jaedong/JYP, just not quite as impressive as:
On December 12 2012 11:17 tuho12345 wrote: lol stop arguing about JD already. EG pay him not to play, but to show up. JD is more of an advertising than a core player for them.
He's actually winning his Code A games so he's probably one of their better players. I'd say he's a core player for their team
On December 12 2012 12:21 GunPaladin wrote: This isn't the first time Parting has all-killed and it won't be the last. I think we all know what has to happen...........
On December 12 2012 12:21 GunPaladin wrote: This isn't the first time Parting has all-killed and it won't be the last. I think we all know what has to happen...........
On December 12 2012 20:14 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I swear, every time EG picks up a player the result sheet looks something like that in their next team league match.
When they picked up Stephano, he defeated Taeja and HerO, giving them the win over TL in IPTL.
On December 12 2012 20:14 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I swear, every time EG picks up a player the result sheet looks something like that in their next team league match.
When they picked up Stephano, he defeated Taeja and HerO, giving them the win over TL in IPTL.
I swear, whenever i read "i swear" at the start of a post it turns out to be bullshit.
On December 12 2012 12:21 GunPaladin wrote: This isn't the first time Parting has all-killed and it won't be the last. I think we all know what has to happen...........
Revival (his only decent MU is ZvZ) and JD really shouldnt be in EG
I mean EG is all quantity over quality nowadays with the exception of Stephano and sometimes PuMa. (a Code B player!)
Their roster is like 13(?) guys, 80% are mediocre or slightly above mediocre.
Fnatic and Liquid will be much better in 2013, because their weak links either get inactive or realize they arent good enough and agree to part ways lol
But EG deserves it, so we can make jokes about Curses and Fails in their own League.
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