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On December 12 2012 19:42 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:40 JJH777 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:26 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:25 InoyouS2 wrote:
Lol, as soon as a Zerg loses, everyone cries Terran OP?
DRG fucked up. Nobeless played well, but any half decent Zerg should have won game 2. I want to call you so many names. Go ahead? 1 Terran out of 20+ TvZs due to a Zerg's mistake does not entitle you to balance whine. TvZ since the patch is 23-10 in Terran's favor in high level tournaments. Admittedly a very small number of games and it will most likely balance out again but to say it is just 1 terran is wrong. The patch act as a placebo in zerg and terran minds more than having a huge gameplay effect in my opinion Very few of these 33 games had a different winner because they nerfed fungal range or let terran not spend 150/150 at 25min in the game.
I wouldn't be so sure. The thing is, for the first time blizzard introduced a patch that didn't actually change gameplay, but just outcome. And that's exactly what we are seeing, Zergs that do the same things as before the patch, but lose a few more engagements, because the same compositions are just slightly weaker.
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On December 12 2012 19:42 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:39 Talack wrote:
I just don't see how zerg pros can run their infestors into armies still, it's been like 2 years that they've had to practice with them and this still happens? Common... I just don't see how Terrans pros can still siege late... yet alone this day it happened like 5times already...
I don't think that's comparable really : /
Well comparable but it's a completely different set of circumstances
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On December 12 2012 19:43 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:41 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:40 JJH777 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:26 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:25 InoyouS2 wrote:
Lol, as soon as a Zerg loses, everyone cries Terran OP?
DRG fucked up. Nobeless played well, but any half decent Zerg should have won game 2. I want to call you so many names. Go ahead? 1 Terran out of 20+ TvZs due to a Zerg's mistake does not entitle you to balance whine. TvZ since the patch is 23-10 in Terran's favor in high level tournaments. Admittedly a very small number of games and it will most likely balance out again but to say it is just 1 terran is wrong. After the queen patch, Terrans just had to make a Raven and then they could win, but what does Zerg have now? Just make more queens? DRG tried that and failed. We dont have a raven TT Please, DRG lost due to his greed. He went for lair before a baneling nest, that's simply being greedy. Don't whine about that. Also, the infestor change did nothing to change the metagame up to that point. (if it even has changed the metagame)
i wasnt being serious
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On December 12 2012 19:42 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:40 andaylin wrote:
Damn, B4 using a realforce keyboard That's a DT-35, pretty sure..
You sure? Looks like the 10th anniversary Realforce
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On December 12 2012 19:43 Soyuz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:42 Noocta wrote:On December 12 2012 19:40 JJH777 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:26 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:25 InoyouS2 wrote:
Lol, as soon as a Zerg loses, everyone cries Terran OP?
DRG fucked up. Nobeless played well, but any half decent Zerg should have won game 2. I want to call you so many names. Go ahead? 1 Terran out of 20+ TvZs due to a Zerg's mistake does not entitle you to balance whine. TvZ since the patch is 23-10 in Terran's favor in high level tournaments. Admittedly a very small number of games and it will most likely balance out again but to say it is just 1 terran is wrong. The patch act as a placebo in zerg and terran minds more than having a huge gameplay effect in my opinion Very few of these 33 games had a different winner because they nerfed fungal range or let terran not spend 150/150 at 25min in the game. It might be more subtle but I'm quite sure there will be new builds coming out in the next few months that reflect on this raven buff especially
I'm waiting for a sick 1 base all in to come about.
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opterown
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On December 12 2012 19:43 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:41 kodas wrote:On December 12 2012 19:40 JJH777 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:26 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:25 InoyouS2 wrote:
Lol, as soon as a Zerg loses, everyone cries Terran OP?
DRG fucked up. Nobeless played well, but any half decent Zerg should have won game 2. I want to call you so many names. Go ahead? 1 Terran out of 20+ TvZs due to a Zerg's mistake does not entitle you to balance whine. TvZ since the patch is 23-10 in Terran's favor in high level tournaments. Admittedly a very small number of games and it will most likely balance out again but to say it is just 1 terran is wrong. Source? Add it up yourself? The games I included are Code A ro32 plus the series that just ended, proleague, NASL4, and MMA vs Nerchio in Iron Squid.
SPL and GSTL finals?
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On December 12 2012 19:43 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:42 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 12 2012 19:41 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:40 JJH777 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:26 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:25 InoyouS2 wrote:
Lol, as soon as a Zerg loses, everyone cries Terran OP?
DRG fucked up. Nobeless played well, but any half decent Zerg should have won game 2. I want to call you so many names. Go ahead? 1 Terran out of 20+ TvZs due to a Zerg's mistake does not entitle you to balance whine. TvZ since the patch is 23-10 in Terran's favor in high level tournaments. Admittedly a very small number of games and it will most likely balance out again but to say it is just 1 terran is wrong. After the queen patch, Terrans just had to make a Raven and then they could win, but what does Zerg have now? Just make more queens? DRG tried that and failed. We dont have a raven TT Are you for real? no i was joking haha
Thank FSM.
It's hard to tell in LR threads. 
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On December 12 2012 19:42 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:40 JJH777 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:26 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:25 InoyouS2 wrote:
Lol, as soon as a Zerg loses, everyone cries Terran OP?
DRG fucked up. Nobeless played well, but any half decent Zerg should have won game 2. I want to call you so many names. Go ahead? 1 Terran out of 20+ TvZs due to a Zerg's mistake does not entitle you to balance whine. TvZ since the patch is 23-10 in Terran's favor in high level tournaments. Admittedly a very small number of games and it will most likely balance out again but to say it is just 1 terran is wrong. The patch act as a placebo in zerg and terran minds more than having a huge gameplay effect in my opinion Very few of these 33 games had a different winner because they nerfed fungal range or let terran not spend 150/150 at 25min in the game.
I don't want to start a big balance discussion but I think as pro-players patches do have a HUGE placebo effect. I was a semi-professional player in WoW (lol I know right?) but I remember the HUGE effect a buff in a patch could have on my play. You play with confidence, like you "should" win if you play right. But when you feel like your race/class are "weaker" then you feel like your opponent has to screw up bigtime. Almost a defeatist attitude. Not sure that is the case here but I do think any balance patch "buffs" confidence as much as anything. This is why we need to keep buffing units forever so our pros get godlike, we'd have 20-30 Flash and Jaedong's by now (joke).
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On December 12 2012 19:44 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:42 Fragile51 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:40 andaylin wrote:
Damn, B4 using a realforce keyboard That's a DT-35, pretty sure.. You sure? Looks like the 10th anniversary Realforce
Hmm, they look so similar. B4 always used a DT-35 but that does look like a realforce. MJ has dat sponsorship? :p
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On December 12 2012 19:43 Soyuz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:42 Noocta wrote:On December 12 2012 19:40 JJH777 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:26 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:25 InoyouS2 wrote:
Lol, as soon as a Zerg loses, everyone cries Terran OP?
DRG fucked up. Nobeless played well, but any half decent Zerg should have won game 2. I want to call you so many names. Go ahead? 1 Terran out of 20+ TvZs due to a Zerg's mistake does not entitle you to balance whine. TvZ since the patch is 23-10 in Terran's favor in high level tournaments. Admittedly a very small number of games and it will most likely balance out again but to say it is just 1 terran is wrong. The patch act as a placebo in zerg and terran minds more than having a huge gameplay effect in my opinion Very few of these 33 games had a different winner because they nerfed fungal range or let terran not spend 150/150 at 25min in the game. It might be more subtle but I'm quite sure there will be new builds coming out in the next few months that reflect on this raven buff especially
actually i really think this was a very good adjustment and i would love if blizzard kept this apporach for further balancing, small steps instead of overbuffing/nerfing all the time
look at the hots infestor right now, no one is ever gonna build one of those (not that im sad about it but its a good example)
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BBoongBBoong vs. YoDa
BBoongBBoong wins (74.26%):
2-0: 49.27%
2-1: 24.99%
YoDa wins (25.74%):
2-1: 25.74%
Most likely winner: BBoongBBoong (74.26%)
Median outcome: BBoongBBoong 2-1 YoDa
details, data source, code
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Today's games are nicer than yesterday's 
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opterown
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On December 12 2012 19:43 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:39 opterown wrote:On December 12 2012 19:38 TommyP wrote:
When will Up and Downs be played?? Next year? Or soon? probably next year Next year is pretty soon.
yeah. i think they'll take a week break after GSLTF and begin up/downs in week 1 or 2 next year haha
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I wonder if MJ is going to pick up any more players. They only have 2 people and B4 seems to be doing well since he joined the team D:
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On December 12 2012 19:43 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:41 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:40 JJH777 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:26 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:25 InoyouS2 wrote:
Lol, as soon as a Zerg loses, everyone cries Terran OP?
DRG fucked up. Nobeless played well, but any half decent Zerg should have won game 2. I want to call you so many names. Go ahead? 1 Terran out of 20+ TvZs due to a Zerg's mistake does not entitle you to balance whine. TvZ since the patch is 23-10 in Terran's favor in high level tournaments. Admittedly a very small number of games and it will most likely balance out again but to say it is just 1 terran is wrong. After the queen patch, Terrans just had to make a Raven and then they could win, but what does Zerg have now? Just make more queens? DRG tried that and failed. We dont have a raven TT Please, DRG lost due to his greed. He went for lair before a baneling nest, that's simply being greedy. Don't whine about that. Also, the infestor change did nothing to change the metagame up to that point. (if it even has changed the metagame)
well, I think you really don't need the baneling nest to hold that push if you go for a 6queen build and have speed finishing (which he had barely). But then you have to keep energy for transfuses, which he didn't.
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On December 12 2012 19:45 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:44 andaylin wrote:On December 12 2012 19:42 Fragile51 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:40 andaylin wrote:
Damn, B4 using a realforce keyboard That's a DT-35, pretty sure.. You sure? Looks like the 10th anniversary Realforce Hmm, they look so similar. B4 always used a DT-35 but that does look like a realforce. MJ has dat sponsorship? :p
Haha would be impressive. Those things are expensive as hell. I'm happy with my Filco for now though ^^
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On December 12 2012 19:44 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:43 JJH777 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:41 kodas wrote:On December 12 2012 19:40 JJH777 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:33 InoyouS2 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:26 TommyP wrote:On December 12 2012 19:25 InoyouS2 wrote:
Lol, as soon as a Zerg loses, everyone cries Terran OP?
DRG fucked up. Nobeless played well, but any half decent Zerg should have won game 2. I want to call you so many names. Go ahead? 1 Terran out of 20+ TvZs due to a Zerg's mistake does not entitle you to balance whine. TvZ since the patch is 23-10 in Terran's favor in high level tournaments. Admittedly a very small number of games and it will most likely balance out again but to say it is just 1 terran is wrong. Source? Add it up yourself? The games I included are Code A ro32 plus the series that just ended, proleague, NASL4, and MMA vs Nerchio in Iron Squid. SPL and GSTL finals?
I forgot to include the GSTL finals (so even more Terran favored thanks to Gumiho) but yes I listed proleague.
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On December 12 2012 19:45 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 19:45 Fragile51 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:44 andaylin wrote:On December 12 2012 19:42 Fragile51 wrote:On December 12 2012 19:40 andaylin wrote:
Damn, B4 using a realforce keyboard That's a DT-35, pretty sure.. You sure? Looks like the 10th anniversary Realforce Hmm, they look so similar. B4 always used a DT-35 but that does look like a realforce. MJ has dat sponsorship? :p Haha would be impressive. Those things are expensive as hell. I'm happy with my Filco for now though ^^
Well they are made in japan so maybe they are cheaper on that side of the world, but yeah they usually are really pricey..
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JD gonna stare Wolfdor down for that one XD
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So JD likes to wear his fangirls lingerie, hmm.
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