• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:03
CEST 19:03
KST 02:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash6[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy11ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash Pros React To: SoulKey vs Ample ASL21 General Discussion RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group C [ASL21] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1674 users

[Code A] RO32 Day 2 2012 GSL Season 5 - Page 59

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 57 58 59 60 61 Next
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
December 11 2012 14:24 GMT
#1161
Team Liquid slipping.

Up and downs are stacked too, so it'll be hard to get back to Code S.
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
December 11 2012 14:30 GMT
#1162
how can anyone doubt mvps consistency? He was in the most gsl finals of ANYBODY. He made 2 finals this year during a time when all terrans were struggling. I dont think anybody can doubt that he IS the greatest player in sc2 so far. And he IS the greatest player before all the kespa players came. Lets see how he will do after his recovery
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
December 11 2012 14:47 GMT
#1163
On December 11 2012 22:18 thesums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 21:29 GolemMadness wrote:
On December 11 2012 21:20 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Have code S seeds been given out for next season?

Now it is hard to find people to give out, maybe stephano? But who else, Some EG international players?

I think giving seeds to KeSPA players again will make some fans unhappy.


If Stephano does stay in Korea for Proleague, then I'd have to assume it'd be him and Idra.


NONO, I hope they do not give code S seeds out! It runes the game seriously. Maybe code A seeds but not code S. If Stephano or Idra wants to get in they need to do what the Koreans do, they cannot get special treatment. The foreigners still have a lot of prove, you cannot lower the standards just for fan appeal. It would almost be like match-fixing, why not just put foreigners into top 4 a few seasons later?

But I would not mind foreign tournaments seeding korean players that do well in Code S, that is reasonable because being the Koreans are the better players.


1. give steaphno code s seed
2. foreign fan subscription increases by 350x
3. ???
4. profit!
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
December 11 2012 14:51 GMT
#1164
Seeding Idra? Are you serious? Why should he be more deserving of a code s seed than any other foreigner lol
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
December 11 2012 14:55 GMT
#1165
yeah seems like HerO and Taeja were too jet lagged
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 11 2012 15:02 GMT
#1166
All the travel finally caught up to the Liquid's, it was bound to happen. Happy to see Fantasy and Yonghwa make it.
NightElf
Profile Joined July 2012
Bangladesh117 Posts
December 11 2012 15:14 GMT
#1167
EZPZ times are over for TSL players..Now kespa players are coming..
With there unorthodox style,multitasking ability and aggression will find their weakness..
If they dont practice like Kespa players usually do..tough time is ahead for them....
None excites me more than jaedong...
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 15:26:11
December 11 2012 15:21 GMT
#1168
Not surprised Taeja and HerO lost. Didn't they just arrive back in Korea?

and....WOOT!!! Fantasy gogogogogo!!!!!
I'm a noob
T0F4sT
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands317 Posts
December 11 2012 15:25 GMT
#1169
On December 11 2012 23:51 Bam Lee wrote:
Seeding Idra? Are you serious? Why should he be more deserving of a code s seed than any other foreigner lol



The history of him with GSL/Code S and the amount of fans.
EGdoto #dealwithit
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
December 11 2012 15:28 GMT
#1170
These Kespa Terrans are really impressive. Fantasy and Flash!!!!
Barcelona / Arsenal Fan!
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
December 11 2012 15:35 GMT
#1171
On December 11 2012 23:08 Apolo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 22:43 andaylin wrote:
On December 11 2012 22:42 thesums wrote:
On December 11 2012 22:30 Irre wrote:
On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:
On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:
On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game.


Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race.


The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either.


blasphemy. He was just in the finals a season ago and narrowly lost by one game. He already won a championship and an International tourney and got to ro8 or ro4 in the other GSL season right? I don't know how much you expect from someone who has been injured since the end of last year and his arms go numb playing...

I agree that the game is somewhat unstable and there are too many factors to keep people from being so high on a pedastal they can never lose games, but MVP by sc2 standards is the most consistent top tier player. You would never not say he was top 5 in the game. There are only a few players that have stayed in the top tier of play in Sc2 this long. Furthermore, he adapted to sc2 and became the best in the shortest amount of time of anyone from Kespa still...so consider that as well.


You do have good points, but MvP dropping into Code A after being runner-up in previous season does not make sense at all. Life also got relegated. Just goes to show the inconsistent nature of the game. MvP has always been my favorite Sc2 terran (being a terran myself), especially back in the days when his TvT was like a crazy 90 percent.

I did not say MVP is not top 5, but his win ratio is not top 5. Check http://www.gomtv.net/ under the WR tab for either sets or matches. MVP is not in there (nor any terrans).

I just want to point out that you refer to Mvp by MvP and MVP but never by his proper ID Mvp. Since he's your favorite terran you should learn his ID.


This. MvP is nothing, MVP is a team, and Mvp is a player.


Blasphemy. Mvp is God. Also MvP was a stupid wannabe tournament that no one watched.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
December 11 2012 15:40 GMT
#1172
On December 12 2012 00:35 redviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 23:08 Apolo wrote:
On December 11 2012 22:43 andaylin wrote:
On December 11 2012 22:42 thesums wrote:
On December 11 2012 22:30 Irre wrote:
On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:
On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:
On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game.


Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race.


The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either.


blasphemy. He was just in the finals a season ago and narrowly lost by one game. He already won a championship and an International tourney and got to ro8 or ro4 in the other GSL season right? I don't know how much you expect from someone who has been injured since the end of last year and his arms go numb playing...

I agree that the game is somewhat unstable and there are too many factors to keep people from being so high on a pedastal they can never lose games, but MVP by sc2 standards is the most consistent top tier player. You would never not say he was top 5 in the game. There are only a few players that have stayed in the top tier of play in Sc2 this long. Furthermore, he adapted to sc2 and became the best in the shortest amount of time of anyone from Kespa still...so consider that as well.


You do have good points, but MvP dropping into Code A after being runner-up in previous season does not make sense at all. Life also got relegated. Just goes to show the inconsistent nature of the game. MvP has always been my favorite Sc2 terran (being a terran myself), especially back in the days when his TvT was like a crazy 90 percent.

I did not say MVP is not top 5, but his win ratio is not top 5. Check http://www.gomtv.net/ under the WR tab for either sets or matches. MVP is not in there (nor any terrans).

I just want to point out that you refer to Mvp by MvP and MVP but never by his proper ID Mvp. Since he's your favorite terran you should learn his ID.


This. MvP is nothing, MVP is a team, and Mvp is a player.


Blasphemy. Mvp is God. Also MvP was a stupid wannabe tournament that no one watched.

MvP tourny was fucking sweet, it was a great tournament with awesome games,,,,, I would buy it again if they do another.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
December 11 2012 15:56 GMT
#1173
On December 12 2012 00:14 NightElf wrote:
EZPZ times are over for TSL players..Now kespa players are coming..
With there unorthodox style,multitasking ability and aggression will find their weakness..
If they dont practice like Kespa players usually do..tough time is ahead for them....

The true top players are still ahead of kespa...but yes some of the kespa players are code S materials but not championship one...and the stars of broodwar are actually the worst...look at flash/jaedong/bisu etc they are doing the worst!1!
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
December 11 2012 16:18 GMT
#1174
I would've been happy with either Taeja or Genius, but damn. I didn't expect Genius to actually win.
freeshooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States477 Posts
December 11 2012 16:30 GMT
#1175
Why did genius leave MVP again? Any chance they could pick him back up again? TSL could use a protoss like Genius, but they're tight on money probably.
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
December 11 2012 16:30 GMT
#1176
On December 12 2012 00:25 T0F4sT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 23:51 Bam Lee wrote:
Seeding Idra? Are you serious? Why should he be more deserving of a code s seed than any other foreigner lol



The history of him with GSL/Code S and the amount of fans.

He would lose first round.
NightElf
Profile Joined July 2012
Bangladesh117 Posts
December 11 2012 16:32 GMT
#1177
On December 12 2012 00:56 Darkthorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 00:14 NightElf wrote:
EZPZ times are over for TSL players..Now kespa players are coming..
With there unorthodox style,multitasking ability and aggression will find their weakness..
If they dont practice like Kespa players usually do..tough time is ahead for them....

The true top players are still ahead of kespa...but yes some of the kespa players are code S materials but not championship one...and the stars of broodwar are actually the worst...look at flash/jaedong/bisu etc they are doing the worst!1!


Well...This is their first season where they will play only SC2...This season i think they will be transformed..Considering how much they improved in short time..Only thing kespa players lacking in my opinion is decision making..It will keep getting better with practice..
As a zerg player i m really worried about stephano...He practice so less..In one of his tweet,he even said he is playing dota for fun.... >.<
None excites me more than jaedong...
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
December 11 2012 16:33 GMT
#1178
upset galore
Professional tech investor, part time DotA scrub | Follow @AllMeasures on Twitter
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
December 11 2012 16:38 GMT
#1179
On December 12 2012 01:30 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 00:25 T0F4sT wrote:
On December 11 2012 23:51 Bam Lee wrote:
Seeding Idra? Are you serious? Why should he be more deserving of a code s seed than any other foreigner lol



The history of him with GSL/Code S and the amount of fans.

He would lose first round.


IdrA already got a seed this year into Code S. He dropped out to Code B instantly. Season 1 2012
리노크 👑
NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
December 11 2012 17:10 GMT
#1180
On December 12 2012 00:25 T0F4sT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 23:51 Bam Lee wrote:
Seeding Idra? Are you serious? Why should he be more deserving of a code s seed than any other foreigner lol



The history of him with GSL/Code S and the amount of fans.

Getting to ro8 during a time when everybody was bad at Starcraft was a good history with GSL/Code S I guess. How about champions like Jjakji and Seed who won their titles with tough competitions?
Tassadar/TheBest/Jjakji/Rain(terran)/Heart
Prev 1 57 58 59 60 61 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#46
RotterdaM634
TKL 262
BRAT_OK 153
SteadfastSC93
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 634
mouzHeroMarine 323
Hui .319
TKL 262
IndyStarCraft 172
BRAT_OK 153
SteadfastSC 93
UpATreeSC 74
Trikslyr36
MindelVK 24
elazer 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3866
EffOrt 1175
Bisu 922
actioN 361
Hyuk 290
Soulkey 268
ggaemo 235
firebathero 228
Snow 174
Sharp 137
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 84
hero 73
Hyun 53
Backho 49
Shine 24
soO 17
Bale 16
GoRush 14
yabsab 14
Terrorterran 13
910 10
SilentControl 10
Dota 2
qojqva4790
BananaSlamJamma239
League of Legends
Reynor51
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1883
fl0m744
Other Games
singsing2021
B2W.Neo1800
Beastyqt627
ceh9425
crisheroes223
KnowMe137
ProTech110
QueenE15
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV28
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 4
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 32
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2281
• WagamamaTV728
League of Legends
• Jankos4904
• Nemesis2985
• TFBlade1205
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h 57m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
16h 57m
Afreeca Starleague
16h 57m
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
PiGosaur Cup
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 16h
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
TriGGeR vs Cure
ByuN vs Rogue
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.