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On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race.
The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either.
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MVP would be consistent if it wasn't for his health issues.
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you are talking about the carpal tunnel? Well that is a possibility although I believe he dropped down into Code A right after his first championship in GSL, which is before his carpal tunnel (I think - it was very early)
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On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race. The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either.
blasphemy. He was just in the finals a season ago and narrowly lost by one game. He already won a championship and an International tourney and got to ro8 or ro4 in the other GSL season right? I don't know how much you expect from someone who has been injured since the end of last year and his arms go numb playing...
I agree that the game is somewhat unstable and there are too many factors to keep people from being so high on a pedastal they can never lose games, but MVP by sc2 standards is the most consistent top tier player. You would never not say he was top 5 in the game. There are only a few players that have stayed in the top tier of play in Sc2 this long. Furthermore, he adapted to sc2 and became the best in the shortest amount of time of anyone from Kespa still...so consider that as well.
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On December 11 2012 20:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 20:31 Netsky wrote:
That's rough for Taeja. You need to make 5+ spaced bunkers to hold that.
I don't know everyone goes "OMG AMAZING FORCEFIELDS"...Terran can't do anything to stop them going down. You just press F and cover the bunkers. So easy -_- well, you can compliment terran splits against banes, not much zerg can do about that though short of fungals haha
I hope you are trolling us hard. You can't even begin to compare how hard it is to split marines vs banelings with casting forcefields to deny bunker repair.
Together with fungal growth the force field spell is destroying so much of the potential of SC2.
In fact, all I do in TvP is gimmicky tank builds just because I hate to go down like Taeja did with so much passion it is unhealthy to expose myself to the risk of it.
1 rax expand into fast tanks every game. If opponent finds some way to exploit that it is fine. I'd rather have that than die the forcefield way. I can only imagine the frustration pro level terrans must feel. It is actually a really serious threat to E-sports imo.
The game mechanics must reward consistent skill so that practice and talent commited to the game is rewarded.
The randomness caused by forcefields and fungal growth is too big.
You practices for your GSL games for weeks only to lose to forcefields preventing bunker repair.
Liquid'Jinro said it so well when he asked why it should be so simple for protoss to deny bunker repair.
edit: Forcefields are a cool idea but the game designers should have let it stay there. It was pretty obvious in the early stages of WoL beta were this was heading. How many spectators has been lost because of their failure to make the right decision? How many pro players have retired indirectly or directly because of it?
We got Blizzard to tone down fungal. Now it is about time we do the same with forcefields.
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I knew it was going to be too big an ask for Hero to win this so soon after NASL.
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On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race. The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either.
What do you mean he's dropped to Code A a couple times rofl, he's on his way to 10 straight Code S seasons.
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On December 11 2012 22:30 Irre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race. The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either. blasphemy. He was just in the finals a season ago and narrowly lost by one game. He already won a championship and an International tourney and got to ro8 or ro4 in the other GSL season right? I don't know how much you expect from someone who has been injured since the end of last year and his arms go numb playing... I agree that the game is somewhat unstable and there are too many factors to keep people from being so high on a pedastal they can never lose games, but MVP by sc2 standards is the most consistent top tier player. You would never not say he was top 5 in the game. There are only a few players that have stayed in the top tier of play in Sc2 this long. Furthermore, he adapted to sc2 and became the best in the shortest amount of time of anyone from Kespa still...so consider that as well.
You do have good points, but MvP dropping into Code A after being runner-up in previous season does not make sense at all. Life also got relegated. Just goes to show the inconsistent nature of the game. MvP has always been my favorite Sc2 terran (being a terran myself), especially back in the days when his TvT was like a crazy 90 percent.
I did not say MVP is not top 5, but his win ratio is not top 5. Check http://www.gomtv.net/ under the WR tab for either sets or matches. MVP is not in there (nor any terrans).
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On December 11 2012 22:42 thesums wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:30 Irre wrote:On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race. The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either. blasphemy. He was just in the finals a season ago and narrowly lost by one game. He already won a championship and an International tourney and got to ro8 or ro4 in the other GSL season right? I don't know how much you expect from someone who has been injured since the end of last year and his arms go numb playing... I agree that the game is somewhat unstable and there are too many factors to keep people from being so high on a pedastal they can never lose games, but MVP by sc2 standards is the most consistent top tier player. You would never not say he was top 5 in the game. There are only a few players that have stayed in the top tier of play in Sc2 this long. Furthermore, he adapted to sc2 and became the best in the shortest amount of time of anyone from Kespa still...so consider that as well. You do have good points, but MvP dropping into Code A after being runner-up in previous season does not make sense at all. Life also got relegated. Just goes to show the inconsistent nature of the game. MvP has always been my favorite Sc2 terran (being a terran myself), especially back in the days when his TvT was like a crazy 90 percent. I did not say MVP is not top 5, but his win ratio is not top 5. Check http://www.gomtv.net/ under the WR tab for either sets or matches. MVP is not in there (nor any terrans).
I just want to point out that you refer to Mvp by MvP and MVP but never by his proper ID Mvp. Since he's your favorite terran you should learn his ID.
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On December 11 2012 22:39 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race. The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either. What do you mean he's dropped to Code A a couple times rofl, he's on his way to 10 straight Code S seasons.
Ummm this season and after he won his first GSL.
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On December 11 2012 22:43 thesums wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:39 andaylin wrote:On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race. The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either. What do you mean he's dropped to Code A a couple times rofl, he's on his way to 10 straight Code S seasons. Ummm this season and after he won his first GSL.
Umm, you aren't Code A unless you fail to get into Code S either through RO24 or Up and Downs, just FYI.
Nestea got an award for 10 straight seasons of Code S despite "falling into Code A"
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On December 11 2012 22:44 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:43 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:39 andaylin wrote:On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race. The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either. What do you mean he's dropped to Code A a couple times rofl, he's on his way to 10 straight Code S seasons. Ummm this season and after he won his first GSL. Umm, you aren't Code A unless you fail to get into Code S either through RO24 or Up and Downs, just FYI. Nestea got an award for 10 straight seasons of Code S despite "falling into Code A"
And this year, code A is just prelim for code S, and only Ro8 stays in code S. It's not like previous year, that you will stay in code A and can't compete for championship next season. Now it is just like OSL, Ro4 are seeds for next season. Everyone has the possibility of winning the championship for next season, no matter which stage you start, code B, A or S.
"falling into code A" is nothing to be ashamed of, it just means you didn't contend for champion last season. Only the last place in first group stage should be ashamed.
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I wish MC would join a top tier team that could help him get his mojo back through long training sessions. The song "eye of the tiger" would be playing in the background. 
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On December 11 2012 22:37 one-one-one wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 20:32 opterown wrote:On December 11 2012 20:31 Netsky wrote:
That's rough for Taeja. You need to make 5+ spaced bunkers to hold that.
I don't know everyone goes "OMG AMAZING FORCEFIELDS"...Terran can't do anything to stop them going down. You just press F and cover the bunkers. So easy -_- well, you can compliment terran splits against banes, not much zerg can do about that though short of fungals haha I hope you are trolling us hard. You can't even begin to compare how hard it is to split marines vs banelings with casting forcefields to deny bunker repair. Together with fungal growth the force field spell is destroying so much of the potential of SC2. In fact, all I do in TvP is gimmicky tank builds just because I hate to go down like Taeja did with so much passion it is unhealthy to expose myself to the risk of it. 1 rax expand into fast tanks every game. If opponent finds some way to exploit that it is fine. I'd rather have that than die the forcefield way. I can only imagine the frustration pro level terrans must feel. It is actually a really serious threat to E-sports imo. The game mechanics must reward consistent skill so that practice and talent commited to the game is rewarded. The randomness caused by forcefields and fungal growth is too big. You practices for your GSL games for weeks only to lose to forcefields preventing bunker repair. Liquid'Jinro said it so well when he asked why it should be so simple for protoss to deny bunker repair. edit: Forcefields are a cool idea but the game designers should have let it stay there. It was pretty obvious in the early stages of WoL beta were this was heading. How many spectators has been lost because of their failure to make the right decision? How many pro players have retired indirectly or directly because of it? We got Blizzard to tone down fungal. Now it is about time we do the same with forcefields.
its already hard to do all the time and do it good for pros, imagine how frustrating it is for any lesser player :S fungal, storm and forcefield (emp's to a lesser extent because it doesnt do dmg) is hit 1 button and do a few clicks, the response is split before, during and after, and then if you move (because all units clump up due no formations), you have to do it all over again.
i barely play this game but this is my observation.
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On December 11 2012 22:43 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:42 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:30 Irre wrote:On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race. The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either. blasphemy. He was just in the finals a season ago and narrowly lost by one game. He already won a championship and an International tourney and got to ro8 or ro4 in the other GSL season right? I don't know how much you expect from someone who has been injured since the end of last year and his arms go numb playing... I agree that the game is somewhat unstable and there are too many factors to keep people from being so high on a pedastal they can never lose games, but MVP by sc2 standards is the most consistent top tier player. You would never not say he was top 5 in the game. There are only a few players that have stayed in the top tier of play in Sc2 this long. Furthermore, he adapted to sc2 and became the best in the shortest amount of time of anyone from Kespa still...so consider that as well. You do have good points, but MvP dropping into Code A after being runner-up in previous season does not make sense at all. Life also got relegated. Just goes to show the inconsistent nature of the game. MvP has always been my favorite Sc2 terran (being a terran myself), especially back in the days when his TvT was like a crazy 90 percent. I did not say MVP is not top 5, but his win ratio is not top 5. Check http://www.gomtv.net/ under the WR tab for either sets or matches. MVP is not in there (nor any terrans). I just want to point out that you refer to Mvp by MvP and MVP but never by his proper ID Mvp. Since he's your favorite terran you should learn his ID.
This. MvP is nothing, MVP is a team, and Mvp is a player.
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Hero and Taeja ;_;
Happy Fantasy won though
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On December 11 2012 23:08 Apolo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:43 andaylin wrote:On December 11 2012 22:42 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:30 Irre wrote:On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race. The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either. blasphemy. He was just in the finals a season ago and narrowly lost by one game. He already won a championship and an International tourney and got to ro8 or ro4 in the other GSL season right? I don't know how much you expect from someone who has been injured since the end of last year and his arms go numb playing... I agree that the game is somewhat unstable and there are too many factors to keep people from being so high on a pedastal they can never lose games, but MVP by sc2 standards is the most consistent top tier player. You would never not say he was top 5 in the game. There are only a few players that have stayed in the top tier of play in Sc2 this long. Furthermore, he adapted to sc2 and became the best in the shortest amount of time of anyone from Kespa still...so consider that as well. You do have good points, but MvP dropping into Code A after being runner-up in previous season does not make sense at all. Life also got relegated. Just goes to show the inconsistent nature of the game. MvP has always been my favorite Sc2 terran (being a terran myself), especially back in the days when his TvT was like a crazy 90 percent. I did not say MVP is not top 5, but his win ratio is not top 5. Check http://www.gomtv.net/ under the WR tab for either sets or matches. MVP is not in there (nor any terrans). I just want to point out that you refer to Mvp by MvP and MVP but never by his proper ID Mvp. Since he's your favorite terran you should learn his ID. This. MvP is nothing, MVP is a team, and Mvp is a player.
MvP is a tournament haha
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On December 11 2012 20:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:Up & Down Matches Happy Dream Bomber ByuN Flash TaeJa  LosirA NesTea ByuL Shine  Flying Trap Squirtle finale MC HerO Code A Ro24 -- Winner gets Code S Noblesse vs DongRaeGu BBoongBBoong vs YoDa GuMiho vs First Center vs PartinG Jaedong vs Hack Bbyong vs Polt Mvp vs sOs Baby vs Symbol YongHwa vs Life KeeN vs Vampire Fantasy vs RorO Genius vs Curious
GSL is truly getting to crazy levels of concentrated talent. Easily two thirds of these players are undoubtedly Code S level.
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On December 11 2012 22:43 thesums wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 22:39 andaylin wrote:On December 11 2012 22:22 thesums wrote:On December 11 2012 22:00 Gladiator333 wrote:On December 11 2012 20:34 Qwerty85 wrote:
Really disappointment in Taeja for last couple of tournaments..... Mvp only consistent terran since the release of the game. Well MVP is the best player of this game so far, out of any race. The game is too rock paper scissors, so consistency cannot be expected. Even if MvP is the most consistent in SC2, I would not say he is consistent by standards of BW or other sports for that matter. He dropped to Code A a couple of times already, and his win ratio is not top 5. His recent performance has not been very good either. What do you mean he's dropped to Code A a couple times rofl, he's on his way to 10 straight Code S seasons. Ummm this season and after he won his first GSL.
Yeah. You aren't in "code A" unless you fail to make it through Ro24 or U&D >.>
Also: for how Mvp has done in the past year with some horrific wrist injury, I'd say he is pretty consistent.
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