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Northern Ireland26729 Posts
On December 08 2012 14:20 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 14:15 mordk wrote:On December 08 2012 14:09 BackSideAttack wrote:On December 08 2012 14:02 sdecker32 wrote:On December 08 2012 14:00 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 08 2012 13:56 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 08 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:
Rofl the people thinking this team can dominate better repent their dumb naive views Name a Kespa team with a better 1-2 punch than HerO and Taeja if they bring their A-game? Hardly dumb or naive. All KeSPA teams have same or better 1-2 punch than HerO and Taeja. This is proleague, not MLG. Unless you know somethigng that no-one else does, this is a fairly ignorant statement. SKT- Rain/Soo/Fantasy Samsung- Jangbi/Roro STX- Last/Trap/Bogus Woonjin- Flying/Soulkey/SOS KT- Flash/Stats/KH CJ- Effort/Bbyong/Skyhigh/Hero Team 8- Baby/Jaedong (still technically part of team 8, just loaned to EG for a year) This is Proleague, not MLG. SKT - Fantasy/Soo not as good as either hero or taeja. Samsung - Jangbi has done nothing of note yet STX - Only Bogus is notable Woongjin - Only soulkey is any good, and in relative decadence since his debut in SC2 KT - Only flash so far, stats has been decent but nowhere near hero/taeja CJ - Close, but still rather unproven T8 - JD doesn't count, plus he's not as good as either hero or taeja, same for baby, worst team in PL Stop looking with you BW tinted glasses, you just don't seem to know a lot about SC2 apparently. The actual truth is that this is pretty hard to evaluate right now, since most PL players have played a small sample of relevant matches (Against code S level players). All we know is that Hero and taeja are pretty damn good at SC2. I don't have time now, but when i get back home im gonna embarrass you with a long typed out analysis on why you are mostly wrong.
Rofl, looking forward to this.
Even Rain, the most impressive player I've seen from the Kespa ranks quickly fell into Code B. It's hard to be consistent over a wide variety of formats sometimes. Some of the initially hyped Kespa players have shown pretty bad play since, and some of them may yet rise.
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On December 08 2012 14:21 Gorilla23 wrote:
KT was favored to win today. I don't know how anyone could have honestly predicted otherwise. FlaSh has been pretty damn good, and Zenio has fallen off for a while in addition to nerves. Wooki v JYP is a semi-coinflip match, and there is next to nothing for JYP to study of Wooki's. I must say though that I respect JYP as a player. ThorZain has, imo, been unimpressive both lately and against Koreans. Combine that with him just moving to Korea. He's in the process of moving and settling in. Again, ThorZain doesn't really have any way to study Action. Jaedong has looked poor in SC2, especially against Protoss. Stats has looked decent. Good if you compare him to other KeSPA players. He also had shown strong play against Zerg. Combine that with an Immortal/Sentry all-in on Ohana... We didn't get to see the final two matches, so who knows what would have happened. I believe Huk had a decent chance at winning, but I still favor CH. My predicted outcome of this match is not based on much more than a hunch. Mind v Puma was also anybody's game. Who knows how good Mind is, and Puma had surgery. I don't know how Puma is currently doing.
Stop bickering about how the best EGTL players were not there. It doesn't make this loss (or win) nugatory. Expect EGTL players to travel semi-frequently for MLG/IPL/DH... Don't expect them to win this PL.
Zenio, JYP and thorzain have played the game long enough that they should have been favored. If they don't look good now, when will they be worthwhile?
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On December 08 2012 14:20 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 14:15 mordk wrote:On December 08 2012 14:09 BackSideAttack wrote:On December 08 2012 14:02 sdecker32 wrote:On December 08 2012 14:00 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 08 2012 13:56 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 08 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:
Rofl the people thinking this team can dominate better repent their dumb naive views Name a Kespa team with a better 1-2 punch than HerO and Taeja if they bring their A-game? Hardly dumb or naive. All KeSPA teams have same or better 1-2 punch than HerO and Taeja. This is proleague, not MLG. Unless you know somethigng that no-one else does, this is a fairly ignorant statement. SKT- Rain/Soo/Fantasy Samsung- Jangbi/Roro STX- Last/Trap/Bogus Woonjin- Flying/Soulkey/SOS KT- Flash/Stats/KH CJ- Effort/Bbyong/Skyhigh/Hero Team 8- Baby/Jaedong (still technically part of team 8, just loaned to EG for a year) This is Proleague, not MLG. SKT - Fantasy/Soo not as good as either hero or taeja. Samsung - Jangbi has done nothing of note yet STX - Only Bogus is notable Woongjin - Only soulkey is any good, and in relative decadence since his debut in SC2 KT - Only flash so far, stats has been decent but nowhere near hero/taeja CJ - Close, but still rather unproven T8 - JD doesn't count, plus he's not as good as either hero or taeja, same for baby, worst team in PL Stop looking with you BW tinted glasses, you just don't seem to know a lot about SC2 apparently. The actual truth is that this is pretty hard to evaluate right now, since most PL players have played a small sample of relevant matches (Against code S level players). All we know is that Hero and taeja are pretty damn good at SC2. I don't have time now, but when i get back home im gonna embarrass you with a long typed out analysis on why you are mostly wrong. Dude, there is no later in live report threads.
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o0 that was not the warm welcoming result i'd hoped for. Grats to KT but i expected more from TL/EG.
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On December 08 2012 14:21 m0ck wrote:
For the people with proleague experience, how often would you say the matches come down to the ace-match?
In BW days, it is very often in BO5 series, I would guess maybe 40% of the series. Skillwise, everyone is just so close to each other.
Bo7 in SC2, who knows.
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United States23455 Posts
I really did not realize how much Kespa team supporters hate (or love to hate on) SC2 teams and players. Kind of ridiculous and counter-productive. Just come off as a bunch of assholes.
Oh well, I predict EGTL will certainly show better performances than tonight.
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On December 08 2012 14:17 karlmengsk wrote:
I only caught the last two games, but it looks like Thorzain just got taken by suprise (and steamrolled) by muta-ling-baneling, and the immortal-sentry all-in is really strong at the top level, even if Jaedong didn't necessarily make any mistakes (from what I could tell)?
Yes, but on the other hand you could ask: Why didnt Thorzain scout? why didnt he prepare for that push that is very common at the moment? So he did some basic but important mistakes...
Jaedong didnt do too much mistakes but he did some...for example he didnt delay Stats push to the ramp, he stopped producing drones and didnt build any spines...
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On December 08 2012 14:15 r3fl3x wrote:
after Flash - Zenio match you think that it was one sided, then after all the matches you realize that the first match was the least one sided! sad day for foreigners indeed
only 1 foreigner played lol
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The results shouldn't really surprise anyone. We're talking about teams who have prepared for this particular format for years and years against guys who are mostly new to it. EG-TL will probably start off pretty bad this season and start to look better as it goes on.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50866 Posts
LOL ROLLED!
wow, KT just WOW!
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omg omg omg omg
did you guys see that?
did you guys see that??
boxer!
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50866 Posts
On December 08 2012 14:25 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 14:21 m0ck wrote:
For the people with proleague experience, how often would you say the matches come down to the ace-match? In BW days, it is very often in BO5 series, I would guess maybe 40% of the series. Skillwise, everyone is just so close to each other. Bo7 in SC2, who knows.
10-11 proleague was Bo7 with ace match
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A lot of people who never followed proleague before seriously underestimating the Kespa teams it feels like aha. I LB'd EG-TL myself (heart>mind), but it shouldn't be surprising that the Kespa players are very very good.
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On December 08 2012 14:15 r3fl3x wrote:
after Flash - Zenio match you think that it was one sided, then after all the matches you realize that the first match was the least one sided! sad day for foreigners indeed
If that spawning pool wasn't killed I think Zenio would of had a chance, I didn't see flash building a 4th CC and his maind was almost empty.
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On December 08 2012 14:25 Darkhoarse wrote:
I really did not realize how much Kespa team supporters hate (or love to hate on) SC2 teams and players. Kind of ridiculous and counter-productive. Just come off as a bunch of assholes.
Oh well, I predict EGTL will certainly show better performances than tonight.
ace had their good days too, do not lose hope!
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On December 08 2012 14:21 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 14:18 rasers wrote:On December 08 2012 14:15 mordk wrote:On December 08 2012 14:09 BackSideAttack wrote:On December 08 2012 14:02 sdecker32 wrote:On December 08 2012 14:00 ZerglingTwins wrote:On December 08 2012 13:56 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 08 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:
Rofl the people thinking this team can dominate better repent their dumb naive views Name a Kespa team with a better 1-2 punch than HerO and Taeja if they bring their A-game? Hardly dumb or naive. All KeSPA teams have same or better 1-2 punch than HerO and Taeja. This is proleague, not MLG. Unless you know somethigng that no-one else does, this is a fairly ignorant statement. SKT- Rain/Soo/Fantasy Samsung- Jangbi/Roro STX- Last/Trap/Bogus Woonjin- Flying/Soulkey/SOS KT- Flash/Stats/KH CJ- Effort/Bbyong/Skyhigh/Hero Team 8- Baby/Jaedong (still technically part of team 8, just loaned to EG for a year) This is Proleague, not MLG. SKT - Fantasy/Soo not as good as either hero or taeja. Samsung - Jangbi has done nothing of note yet STX - Only Bogus is notable Woongjin - Only soulkey is any good, and in relative decadence since his debut in SC2 KT - Only flash so far, stats has been decent but nowhere near hero/taeja CJ - Close, but still rather unproven T8 - JD doesn't count, plus he's not as good as either hero or taeja, same for baby, worst team in PL Stop looking with you BW tinted glasses, you just don't seem to know a lot about SC2 apparently. The actual truth is that this is pretty hard to evaluate right now, since most PL players have played a small sample of relevant matches (Against code S level players). All we know is that Hero and taeja are pretty damn good at SC2. and you could stop looking at results when most of these players didn't even play in many tournaments so ofcourse they haven't done anythint notable. if you actualyl would look at the gameplay (if u can do that dunno if you get what is going on there) you would see that there are enough people that can go toe to toe with hero/taeja. but i will love it when hero comes back and plays his first game and will get rolled. i already see the comments "oh he choking. his nerves. big issues". oh and iam sure every KeSPA team will snipe these players 2 hell. Not to mention that people are citing foreign results -_-; It's like citing checkers winrate in a go league.
Ok lets look at GSL since it is clearly the best place to look for individual abilities (and kespa players have been in it since season 4)
Taeja has made 3 ro8s and a ro4.
Hero has mad 2 ro8s.
Both have been in GSL almost the entire year.
Zenio has been in GSL almost all year (code A but has been in code s also)
Same for JYP.
Stephano has posted very good results (look at the GSL korean vs foreigner thing almost all killed them)
So what results or gameplay are you looking at that say these players can compete with that?
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On December 08 2012 14:25 L0L wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 14:15 r3fl3x wrote:
after Flash - Zenio match you think that it was one sided, then after all the matches you realize that the first match was the least one sided! sad day for foreigners indeed only 1 foreigner played lol
who you think foreigner root for?
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Am I the only one that just got some really weird lag? Hopefully Spidey isn't back doing their teching >_>
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