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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 03 2012 05:09 GMT
#4021
It's amazing that Leenock is so young, yet he's one of the old guard.Still remember that crazy game vs Clide on Shakuras.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 03 2012 05:10 GMT
#4022
On December 03 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 14:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:04 Fionn wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:02 bittman wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:02 Fionn wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
GSL Tour Finals Race Distribution
5
3 (probably 4 since Seed will get the 2nd spot of PartinG for GSL point total)
1
so at least you guys will have more players in the top 8 than Terran at that tournament if it makes you feel better


And Mvp is injured and is supposed to not play any SC2 to for 3 months to fully rest. If he drops out, then they'll probably just give it to MC.


3 months!? Source on that!?!? D=


Pretty sure the IM coach or someone said a while ago that Mvp to fully heal up he'd need to take three months off of not playing.



I thought Mvp said he wouldn't do it though because if he sat out for 3 months he would never catch up. or did he change his mind?


Yeah, true.

And I guess he has to play in Code A to qualify for Code S, so he'll probably play.


Actually, since Mvp's condition is not just wrist but in the spine. No one really know how long it would take to recover from if he had surgery. He mentioned that in interviews that even IF it was 3 months (which I doubt for spinal surgeries), he didn't think he would be able to catch up.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 03 2012 05:10 GMT
#4023
Sweet, made it back just in time. :D
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
December 03 2012 05:10 GMT
#4024
On December 03 2012 14:07 Chicane wrote:
TB knows how to bring the hype. That's why he's so good with Apollo. Not to say Apollo isn't good at hype on his own... but it just works so well with TB.


That's why I actually think they're the best casting duo in the world now. Apollo is almost as knowledgable as Artosis is and Total Biscuit can hype up games like no other, plus his game knowledge seems to have greatly improved.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 03 2012 05:10 GMT
#4025
On December 03 2012 14:09 sitromit wrote:
It's amazing that Leenock is so young, yet he's one of the old guard.Still remember that crazy game vs Clide on Shakuras.


i remember how MKP brutalized him in the 1st up and downs with a bunker rush on XNC :p
Zest fanboy.
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
December 03 2012 05:10 GMT
#4026
On December 03 2012 14:10 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:04 Fionn wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:02 bittman wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:02 Fionn wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
GSL Tour Finals Race Distribution
5
3 (probably 4 since Seed will get the 2nd spot of PartinG for GSL point total)
1
so at least you guys will have more players in the top 8 than Terran at that tournament if it makes you feel better


And Mvp is injured and is supposed to not play any SC2 to for 3 months to fully rest. If he drops out, then they'll probably just give it to MC.


3 months!? Source on that!?!? D=


Pretty sure the IM coach or someone said a while ago that Mvp to fully heal up he'd need to take three months off of not playing.



I thought Mvp said he wouldn't do it though because if he sat out for 3 months he would never catch up. or did he change his mind?


Yeah, true.

And I guess he has to play in Code A to qualify for Code S, so he'll probably play.


Actually, since Mvp's condition is not just wrist but in the spine. No one really know how long it would take to recover from if he had surgery. He mentioned that in interviews that even IF it was 3 months (which I doubt for spinal surgeries), he didn't think he would be able to catch up.


But if he doesn't rest he's going to really hurt himself! T_T
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
December 03 2012 05:11 GMT
#4027
So safe to say Sniper best ZvZ in teh world right now?

After all he 3-1 Leenock
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
December 03 2012 05:11 GMT
#4028
Mvp's best time would to rest now. With HotS coming up in March, he could head into the first HotS season at 100% if everything works out.

But I can't see him not trying to become the final WoL GSL champion.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 03 2012 05:11 GMT
#4029
On December 03 2012 14:06 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 14:04 StarStruck wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:02 bittman wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:02 Fionn wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
GSL Tour Finals Race Distribution
5
3 (probably 4 since Seed will get the 2nd spot of PartinG for GSL point total)
1
so at least you guys will have more players in the top 8 than Terran at that tournament if it makes you feel better


And Mvp is injured and is supposed to not play any SC2 to for 3 months to fully rest. If he drops out, then they'll probably just give it to MC.


3 months!? Source on that!?!? D=


That was out a while ago on these forums.

Simple search would suffice. It's been a number of weeks now.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383153

3 months: source?


Goes way longer than that.
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
December 03 2012 05:12 GMT
#4030
I'm honestly hoping MVP drops out because playing under those kind of conditions is just setting up yourself and everyone else for disappointment as he's the only terran hope...too much pressure on him when he's not at his prime at all. Even if he could play pain free for the day I highly doubt he's getting quality practice in recently.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 03 2012 05:12 GMT
#4031
Leenock gosu.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 03 2012 05:12 GMT
#4032
Two banelings for two lings...?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
December 03 2012 05:12 GMT
#4033
On December 03 2012 14:11 ref4 wrote:
So safe to say Sniper best ZvZ in teh world right now?

After all he 3-1 Leenock

In a matchup that's kind of volatile I dont think it's ever safe to say that someone is a clear #1 but even before that Sniper was a very strong ZvZ player. I'd say he's probably top 3 or 4
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revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
December 03 2012 05:12 GMT
#4034
On December 03 2012 13:58 mith652 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 13:51 revel8 wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 Qwertify wrote:
Ok I am very confused. I play zerg so please don't complain about me whining IMBA, etc.

But, is Violet just really good, or is Zerg just seriously OP a bit? Violet did have good engagements, but there didn't really seem like there was anything that Polt did wrong. He could have spread those tanks out better, but that wouldn't really change the outcome of the game. I also understand the upgrades were a bit different. But still, that all looked very easy.

And now we have a ZvZ finals for the second day in a row. First the GSL, and now the IPL. Not long ago we had Life vs. Leenock. Well whatever. HOTS comes out soon, and the whole meta-game is going to start anew, so .. I guess no real need to worry about any imbalance starting March or so.


I think that Polt actually took his third quite late and Violet took his third very early. Violet's early Roach aggression helped with both of those things. The Zerg took no harrass damage to his economy, Violet played pretty greedy to get his economy up and running. He also spread creep very aggressively giving him map vision over the central area.


The thing is, its so easy for a zerg to make a large amount of roaches like that, not do too much damage, and then pretty much get up to 70 drones while building almost no army and teching. The way injects work you can build either army or economy very fast, and if you do it right there isn't that much of a window to punish the zerg.

Zerg's ability to switch between army or econ makes those kinds of roach attacks very strong (too strong imo) because if the other player doesn't hard counter (which you need scouting to do) the zerg usually ends up at least even. If Polt didnt see all those roaches and cancel blue flame for siege mode Violet could have got a heap of SCV kills, and while Polt needs this massive commitment to hold, Violet has a third base and is droning.


What you say is true, in general. In the last game specifically, Polt was going for blue flame hellions to kill drones while taking his own third and building up his tank numbers. That was his plan. However Violet scouted the third Orbital with an overlord, then pushed with his Roaches. While the thread seemed to go mental because of Polt's hold using that supply depot trick, effectively Violet had a contain on Polt and kept him locked up in his base. For as long as thing was in place, Violet could drone up and tech up in peace. Polt was reluctant to try and get his third at that point and could not carry out his plan of roasting drones with blue flame hellions. Indeed he had to cancel Blue Flame upgrade in response to the Roach push. If you don't harass the Zerg and kill drones then they should be very strong late game.

Also there is the psychological pressure you put on your opponent by causing them to react to attacks. For too long in that game Violet was not under any attack, so he could relax and not feel pressured. One of Terran's main strengths is medivac drops which tax their opponents ability to multitask and make decisions under pressure. Polt did not really put Violet's multi-tasking under pressure in that last game.

There was a point where Polt could have got the win in that last game, but Violet destroyed too many tanks with Banelings. Polt only had two injured tanks left and so had to abort this push. It has to be said that I think the map and spawning positions favoured Violet in that last game.
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
December 03 2012 05:12 GMT
#4035
On December 03 2012 14:11 Fionn wrote:
Mvp's best time would to rest now. With HotS coming up in March, he could head into the first HotS season at 100% if everything works out.

But I can't see him not trying to become the final WoL GSL champion.


He's already done it 4 times; nobody can ever beat that record for WoL now...aah, I get worried for him sometimes...
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
December 03 2012 05:13 GMT
#4036
Mvp might also retire, don't be too surprised if it happens.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 03 2012 05:13 GMT
#4037
On December 03 2012 14:13 figq wrote:
Mvp might also retire, don't be too surprised if it happens.

still would be saddening
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Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
December 03 2012 05:13 GMT
#4038
I'm trying to reconcile my desire for an epic 8 game series and my desire for the series to end in 20 minutes because jetlag is dumb.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
December 03 2012 05:13 GMT
#4039
On December 03 2012 14:08 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 14:07 tMomiji wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:06 sAsImre wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:04 tMomiji wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:03 sAsImre wrote:
On December 03 2012 14:01 tMomiji wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:59 sAsImre wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:57 tMomiji wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:56 sAsImre wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:54 tMomiji wrote:
[quote]

How about the sad SCV? SCVs are inherently more likable. Marketing, guys, marketing. ; D


TL only promoted protoss qq. Tho they really needed it back then.


Honestly I think we still kind of do. One race is always going to be at the bottom, right? Heh...it's always been Protoss.


yup but you were really really low back then. The problem is that P are getting crushed in TvP nowadays and with the state of 3b/immo sentry vZ...


Yeah...man I remember when ghosts were giving us serious problems but I didn't want it to be so that we'd NEVER see them again...huuh.

And everyone is getting rolled over by infestors. I wish fungal slowed and didn't root. Problem solved no?


dunno it'd still kill marines but depending on the slow vikings might be useful. IT are a bigger problem imo they fuck mech so hard it's ain't funny.


Maybe a little less damage on IT? o-o


it depends, the problem is that the infestor is the key to the 3match ups so tweaking it might fuck one really bad. if it's ZvZ i don't really care but it might be bad from a spectator pov.


Well that's what we have test servers for! ^_^


yup, the projectile thing is really cool /w stim marines, should be entertaining at the very least :p

projectile fungal growth..why not just blink stalker or immortal sentry all in every game as protoss vs zerg? I would hate to see a projectile fungal and rather have some kind of IT nerf. Fungal is most likely here to stay since it is so needed and critical.
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
December 03 2012 05:13 GMT
#4040
On December 03 2012 14:13 figq wrote:
Mvp might also retire, don't be too surprised if it happens.


But he's only 21! o-o He can just rest and recover and then come back to dominate HotS.
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
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