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1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
November 18 2012 18:48 GMT
#7961
On November 19 2012 03:41 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 03:12 1Dhalism wrote:
On November 19 2012 02:01 keglu wrote:
On November 19 2012 01:48 Scisyhp wrote:
On November 19 2012 01:38 Dionyseus wrote:
On November 19 2012 00:38 sdnnvs wrote:
Protoss need a big nerf, by the way ...


No, the best zergs and terrans weren't here, while the three best protoss players were here.


You are treating this like an invitational. Hint: It wasn't. All players that were here were here because they qualified. That means that the best zerg/terran players weren't here BECAUSE the best protoss players defeated about all of them in the qualifiers. Why do you think only 2 korean zergs were able to qualify, 0 korean terrans, yet 5 protosses?


Because few months ago when Korean qualifier took place Protoss had advantage over Z and T in Korea. Currently its not true anymore.

Stephano, Curious, Roro are top 10 zergs. Sen definitely played like he belonged there as well(although it could mean he ran out of steam eventually).
All that means is that Browder is right and the game is evolving. People who think protoss and terran now have it bad need to actually look back to the days of terran dominance to realize what real imbalance is like.
Since zerg went "op" 10/24 in top 8 gsl were zerg(8/24 were P).
How many zergs were there before? Last 3 seasons? 2/24. Last 10 seasons? 14/80.



I hate it when people say things like "terran was OP at the start" While that may be somewhat true you have to agree that not many people actually knew how to play the game then. If you were able to go back in time with the experience players have now it would look a whole lot different IMO.

If not for HOTS, same could've been said a year from now, about now.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
November 18 2012 18:49 GMT
#7962
On November 19 2012 03:44 ThaZenith wrote:
Really enjoyed the Rain vs Creator semis, the finals were ok but nothing too special. Still an ok tournament.


It shouldn't have been an "OK" tournament. It should have been (and was supposed to be) a "HOLY FUCK THIS IS THE BEST TOURNAMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!"

Blizzard is being blown out of the water by their competition

magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
November 18 2012 18:52 GMT
#7963
On November 19 2012 03:48 1Dhalism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 03:41 magnaflow wrote:
On November 19 2012 03:12 1Dhalism wrote:
On November 19 2012 02:01 keglu wrote:
On November 19 2012 01:48 Scisyhp wrote:
On November 19 2012 01:38 Dionyseus wrote:
On November 19 2012 00:38 sdnnvs wrote:
Protoss need a big nerf, by the way ...


No, the best zergs and terrans weren't here, while the three best protoss players were here.


You are treating this like an invitational. Hint: It wasn't. All players that were here were here because they qualified. That means that the best zerg/terran players weren't here BECAUSE the best protoss players defeated about all of them in the qualifiers. Why do you think only 2 korean zergs were able to qualify, 0 korean terrans, yet 5 protosses?


Because few months ago when Korean qualifier took place Protoss had advantage over Z and T in Korea. Currently its not true anymore.

Stephano, Curious, Roro are top 10 zergs. Sen definitely played like he belonged there as well(although it could mean he ran out of steam eventually).
All that means is that Browder is right and the game is evolving. People who think protoss and terran now have it bad need to actually look back to the days of terran dominance to realize what real imbalance is like.
Since zerg went "op" 10/24 in top 8 gsl were zerg(8/24 were P).
How many zergs were there before? Last 3 seasons? 2/24. Last 10 seasons? 14/80.



I hate it when people say things like "terran was OP at the start" While that may be somewhat true you have to agree that not many people actually knew how to play the game then. If you were able to go back in time with the experience players have now it would look a whole lot different IMO.

If not for HOTS, same could've been said a year from now, about now.


True. But I feel if you revert some of the nerfs (obviously not the completely broken ones) for all races we would have better balance and much more entertaining game. Too many hasty nerfs for the first year the game was out
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
November 18 2012 18:56 GMT
#7964
On November 19 2012 03:49 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 03:44 ThaZenith wrote:
Really enjoyed the Rain vs Creator semis, the finals were ok but nothing too special. Still an ok tournament.


It shouldn't have been an "OK" tournament. It should have been (and was supposed to be) a "HOLY FUCK THIS IS THE BEST TOURNAMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!"

Blizzard is being blown out of the water by their competition



yeah i didn't get the super huge tournament feel from this, it was definitely by far the toughest tournament to date though. I just felt the production was nothing close to previous events. Should have hired the dreamhack crew for that i guess.
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Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
November 18 2012 19:15 GMT
#7965
I missed most of the games, any must sees/good games that i should go back and watch?
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 18 2012 19:16 GMT
#7966
On November 19 2012 04:15 Blacktion wrote:
I missed most of the games, any must sees/good games that i should go back and watch?

I personally though Creator vs Rain was very good, at least for a PvP
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kodas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States418 Posts
November 18 2012 19:21 GMT
#7967
On November 19 2012 04:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 04:15 Blacktion wrote:
I missed most of the games, any must sees/good games that i should go back and watch?

I personally though Creator vs Rain was very good, at least for a PvP

Idra vs Rain was pretty good
Get paper, fuck bitches, smoke trees, mass thors.
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
November 18 2012 19:22 GMT
#7968
Thanks ill check them out. Were the Sen-Hero and Vortix-Lucifron games any good?
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 18 2012 19:23 GMT
#7969
On November 19 2012 04:22 Blacktion wrote:
Thanks ill check them out. Were the Sen-Hero and Vortix-Lucifron games any good?

I didnt see the entirety of those series. I saw Sen vs HerO game 5 and it was pretty intense
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 18 2012 19:27 GMT
#7970
Was Parting vs Illusion actually streamed on the main stage? I can't find the VOD anywhere.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 18 2012 19:35 GMT
#7971
On November 19 2012 04:27 ZAiNs wrote:
Was Parting vs Illusion actually streamed on the main stage? I can't find the VOD anywhere.


I think it wasn't streamed at all.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 18 2012 19:39 GMT
#7972
On November 19 2012 04:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 04:27 ZAiNs wrote:
Was Parting vs Illusion actually streamed on the main stage? I can't find the VOD anywhere.


I think it wasn't streamed at all.

It must have been streamed since there are recaps written up from people in the LR on day 1
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 18 2012 19:39 GMT
#7973
On November 19 2012 04:22 Blacktion wrote:
Thanks ill check them out. Were the Sen-Hero and Vortix-Lucifron games any good?

Sen vs HerO was heart-breaking because HerO basically won G4 so hard but lost because of lol Infestor BL, then G5 he did some super-duper 'cute' play, but you can't really play like that against Zerg so he got crushed.
Rui.S
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada92 Posts
November 18 2012 19:41 GMT
#7974
On November 19 2012 03:56 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 03:49 magnaflow wrote:
On November 19 2012 03:44 ThaZenith wrote:
Really enjoyed the Rain vs Creator semis, the finals were ok but nothing too special. Still an ok tournament.


It shouldn't have been an "OK" tournament. It should have been (and was supposed to be) a "HOLY FUCK THIS IS THE BEST TOURNAMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!"

Blizzard is being blown out of the water by their competition



yeah i didn't get the super huge tournament feel from this, it was definitely by far the toughest tournament to date though. I just felt the production was nothing close to previous events. Should have hired the dreamhack crew for that i guess.

this was not by far the toughest tournament to date -.-, every single gsl is harder than this ...
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 18 2012 19:44 GMT
#7975
On November 19 2012 04:41 Rui.S wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 03:56 ReachTheSky wrote:
On November 19 2012 03:49 magnaflow wrote:
On November 19 2012 03:44 ThaZenith wrote:
Really enjoyed the Rain vs Creator semis, the finals were ok but nothing too special. Still an ok tournament.


It shouldn't have been an "OK" tournament. It should have been (and was supposed to be) a "HOLY FUCK THIS IS THE BEST TOURNAMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!"

Blizzard is being blown out of the water by their competition



yeah i didn't get the super huge tournament feel from this, it was definitely by far the toughest tournament to date though. I just felt the production was nothing close to previous events. Should have hired the dreamhack crew for that i guess.

this was not by far the toughest tournament to date -.-, every single gsl is harder than this ...

Even WCS Korea was harder :p.
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-18 19:51:45
November 18 2012 19:51 GMT
#7976
So what I learned is that PvZ is currently a STParting Immortal all in or a lol broodlord infestor

And PvP is still bullshit

Im glad to be terran
Stop procrastinating
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
November 18 2012 19:52 GMT
#7977
On November 19 2012 04:51 padfoota wrote:
So what I learned is that PvZ is currently a STParting Immortal all in or a lol broodlord infestor

And PvP is still bullshit

Im glad to be terran


Watch Rain play PvZ
Rui.S
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada92 Posts
November 18 2012 19:56 GMT
#7978
On November 19 2012 04:44 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 04:41 Rui.S wrote:
On November 19 2012 03:56 ReachTheSky wrote:
On November 19 2012 03:49 magnaflow wrote:
On November 19 2012 03:44 ThaZenith wrote:
Really enjoyed the Rain vs Creator semis, the finals were ok but nothing too special. Still an ok tournament.


It shouldn't have been an "OK" tournament. It should have been (and was supposed to be) a "HOLY FUCK THIS IS THE BEST TOURNAMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!"

Blizzard is being blown out of the water by their competition



yeah i didn't get the super huge tournament feel from this, it was definitely by far the toughest tournament to date though. I just felt the production was nothing close to previous events. Should have hired the dreamhack crew for that i guess.

this was not by far the toughest tournament to date -.-, every single gsl is harder than this ...

Even WCS Korea was harder :p.

code a qualifiers might even be harder :x. Beating scarlett, suppy and sen put parting in the grand finals which is already 40k, almost the same as a gsl win...
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
November 18 2012 20:00 GMT
#7979
lol so many negative nancies.

I really enjoyed the tournament.

Seeing Idra and Sen play so well was surprising and exciting.

Watching Vortix vs Luci being cast by Tasteless & Day[9] was exciting.

Watching Rain destroy all the zergs in his path was exciting.
Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
November 18 2012 20:01 GMT
#7980
On November 19 2012 03:56 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 03:49 magnaflow wrote:
On November 19 2012 03:44 ThaZenith wrote:
Really enjoyed the Rain vs Creator semis, the finals were ok but nothing too special. Still an ok tournament.


It shouldn't have been an "OK" tournament. It should have been (and was supposed to be) a "HOLY FUCK THIS IS THE BEST TOURNAMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!"

Blizzard is being blown out of the water by their competition



yeah i didn't get the super huge tournament feel from this, it was definitely by far the toughest tournament to date though. I just felt the production was nothing close to previous events. Should have hired the dreamhack crew for that i guess.


The current GSL is the toughest tournament to date.
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