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Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
November 16 2012 14:36 GMT
#221
On November 16 2012 21:45 jobber123rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 18:58 Zax19 wrote:
On November 16 2012 13:45 jobber123rd wrote:
On November 16 2012 05:44 Zax19 wrote:
Qxc goes to WCG in China and Ganzi takes his place? Well played Complexity!

On November 16 2012 01:48 csn_JohnClark wrote:
For those that are complaining about the finals format of a bo5 to bo3. This is something that I proposed at LSC2 for timing issues..and does offer a fair format for both the winner and loser.

No format is perfect... but for a matter of timing and to avoid any sort of 'extended series'.. this format does work.

Ideally, a second bo5 is a great choice... but timing and fatigue play a major role in the decision to run a possible 2nd bo5 series.

Once the loser wins the first bo5.. .essentially, the players are tied in number of loses and any format after that is fair and even. A single bo3 to determine the champion creates the same results (statistically) as a single bo5... but the time required is almost cut in half. I personally see the final bo3 as an 'overtime' after things have been evened up between the 2 players.

My 2.5 cents...

I see no reason to penalise the player from the shadow bracket because he already has to play more matches to get there. Simple Bo7 starting at 0:0 is fine.


Then you'd throw be throwing away the double-elimination aspect of the tournament at the final stage, giving no reward to the player who made it there without losing a match.

The upper bracket player already has an advantage – he had to play less games. That’s his advantage. So unless you want to start taking into account things like W/L up till that point or giving a player who just dropped into the shadow bracket an advantage 1:0 in his first Bo3 because he got farther than his opponent (which would be ridiculous) there is no reason to change the rules in the final series.


That's a matter of perspective, then; it could just as easily be said that having the WB player eliminated by losing a single straight-up series (unlike everyone else in the tournament) is changing the rules (or at least, changing the format).

I absolutely forgot about the extra chance to lose. Hm, I’m not sure what the value of a chance to win vs. a chance to lose is. It would depend on how early a player loses a series - considering the total amount of extra Bo3, one more Bo3 in the finals is probably fair to the upper bracket player. As you pointed out, we were looking at it from a different perspective and thank you for explaining the reason for the final Bo3.
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Acer.ParanOid
Profile Joined June 2007
Poland133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 15:38:01
November 16 2012 15:30 GMT
#222
On November 16 2012 22:42 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 18:16 Acer.ParanOid wrote:
On November 16 2012 09:58 StarVe wrote:
On November 16 2012 09:50 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'm confused on Nerchio's status on IPL5. Is he going or not?

Presumably he qualified again through the EU World Championship bracket, don't know how he could qualify twice otherwise, so I assume he'll go (I'd assume that anyway, I've heard him talk in interviews about going to IPL, even though that wasn't recently) and play in both IPL 5 and the showmatches against GSL players.

If he still drops out, I haven't said anything, possible he doesn't want to go since his friend Paranoid isn't going for whatever reason. Anyway, there's still Scarlett from Acer who's most likely going to be there, I'm pretty sure he'll come.


His flight is booked, and the only thing missing about Nerchios trip is a visa. That should be done within the next days when hes back from China .

Yay, thanks for posting! Why aren't you going, by the way? You don't have time or Acer doesn't want to fly you out?

We decided that for the better good it will be better for me to participate in the WCG finals, which unfortunately are at the same time as IPL .
publicenemy~
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 16 2012 15:56 GMT
#223
On November 17 2012 00:30 Acer.ParanOid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 22:42 StarVe wrote:
On November 16 2012 18:16 Acer.ParanOid wrote:
On November 16 2012 09:58 StarVe wrote:
On November 16 2012 09:50 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'm confused on Nerchio's status on IPL5. Is he going or not?

Presumably he qualified again through the EU World Championship bracket, don't know how he could qualify twice otherwise, so I assume he'll go (I'd assume that anyway, I've heard him talk in interviews about going to IPL, even though that wasn't recently) and play in both IPL 5 and the showmatches against GSL players.

If he still drops out, I haven't said anything, possible he doesn't want to go since his friend Paranoid isn't going for whatever reason. Anyway, there's still Scarlett from Acer who's most likely going to be there, I'm pretty sure he'll come.


His flight is booked, and the only thing missing about Nerchios trip is a visa. That should be done within the next days when hes back from China .

Yay, thanks for posting! Why aren't you going, by the way? You don't have time or Acer doesn't want to fly you out?

We decided that for the better good it will be better for me to participate in the WCG finals, which unfortunately are at the same time as IPL .

Ah, you go as Nerchio's replacement, lol. Good luck, hope you do well, your play has been looking good recently.
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
November 16 2012 18:07 GMT
#224
Player Update:

-MaNa for personal reasons
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 22:42:03
November 16 2012 22:41 GMT
#225
--- Nuked ---
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
November 16 2012 22:45 GMT
#226
On November 17 2012 03:07 IGNProLeague wrote:
Player Update:

-MaNa for personal reasons


Damn, the ESWC Champion would've been a nice asset, but this lineup is so stacked it's pretty hard to complain.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
November 16 2012 22:51 GMT
#227
Time zones have now been added to the OP.
EliteSK
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)251 Posts
November 17 2012 00:23 GMT
#228
On November 15 2012 10:12 TigerKarl wrote:
I don't understand how tournaments can still think that inviting 72 players is a good idea. Costs are exploding and there's still not more than 20 players who can win that thing. Most of those players get barely any media coverage and their stories usually don't give much more than telling who they've beaten. Everybody wants E-Sports to grow, but these assembly line tournaments are just producing an incredible amount of games with little to no meaning, instead of producing and hyping more meaningful matches. Prize money could be at least double that size, and therefore generate a lot more attention and hype than lots of B and C level players.


just cause they're invited doesn't mean that all 72 have their expenses covered... it just means theres no open bracket and all players qualified through someone unless hes a replacement for someone who can't attend...

Ohter than that, cool to see Major added to the list. Gonna be a sick tourney
Luisa_2
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany200 Posts
November 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#229
wow wow wow
"Tasteless,why did the Colossus fall over?" "Why?" " Because it was imbalanced"
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
November 17 2012 15:39 GMT
#230
On November 17 2012 09:23 EliteSK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 10:12 TigerKarl wrote:
I don't understand how tournaments can still think that inviting 72 players is a good idea. Costs are exploding and there's still not more than 20 players who can win that thing. Most of those players get barely any media coverage and their stories usually don't give much more than telling who they've beaten. Everybody wants E-Sports to grow, but these assembly line tournaments are just producing an incredible amount of games with little to no meaning, instead of producing and hyping more meaningful matches. Prize money could be at least double that size, and therefore generate a lot more attention and hype than lots of B and C level players.


just cause they're invited doesn't mean that all 72 have their expenses covered... it just means theres no open bracket and all players qualified through someone unless hes a replacement for someone who can't attend...

Ohter than that, cool to see Major added to the list. Gonna be a sick tourney


Also, note that the original plan was to have 40 players (with eight getting expenses paid), but the satellite qualifiers for EU and (especially) NA happened at unfortunate times (weekends that would conflict with major offline tournaments), so they added more players and another round to the tournament.
"I'm always going to survive. Only reason I can't survive is if I'm dead or something." --Mike Tyson
tabeatz
Profile Joined October 2012
United States83 Posts
November 17 2012 17:28 GMT
#231
So many good players! It's overwhelming!
For the love of the game
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
November 17 2012 18:14 GMT
#232
Sick.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
November 17 2012 18:41 GMT
#233
IPL always seems to create the hardest tournaments to win lol. I will tune in to watch for sure.
Scholera
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States166 Posts
November 17 2012 19:56 GMT
#234
On November 16 2012 05:44 Zax19 wrote:
Qxc goes to WCG in China and Ganzi takes his place? Well played Complexity!

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 01:48 csn_JohnClark wrote:
For those that are complaining about the finals format of a bo5 to bo3. This is something that I proposed at LSC2 for timing issues..and does offer a fair format for both the winner and loser.

No format is perfect... but for a matter of timing and to avoid any sort of 'extended series'.. this format does work.

Ideally, a second bo5 is a great choice... but timing and fatigue play a major role in the decision to run a possible 2nd bo5 series.

Once the loser wins the first bo5.. .essentially, the players are tied in number of loses and any format after that is fair and even. A single bo3 to determine the champion creates the same results (statistically) as a single bo5... but the time required is almost cut in half. I personally see the final bo3 as an 'overtime' after things have been evened up between the 2 players.

My 2.5 cents...

I see no reason to penalise the player from the shadow bracket because he already has to play more matches to get there. Simple Bo7 starting at 0:0 is fine.


Wait...

so a player can lose 2-0 and then win a bo5 3-2 and instantly be on even ground from the losers bracket? no...
otgomni
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 23:02:48
November 17 2012 23:02 GMT
#235
I'm relieved day9 is not casting. Don't have to hear someone use the ultimate nonword "play" five times in every twenty word utterance.
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
November 17 2012 23:06 GMT
#236
Now this is a tournament that REALLY represents the best players in the world. Should replace WCS bracket with this one

Good caster line-up as well. Remove TB and Tasteless and replace with Wolf + Khaldor and it'd be just about perfect!
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
November 18 2012 11:38 GMT
#237
IPL, if you have a free spot still, you should invite the Battle.net World Championship winner + Show Spoiler +
Parting
. Would make a great tournament even better.
KT Rolster & StarTale <3 | twitter.com/RayFoxII - twitch.tv/RayFoxII
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 18 2012 12:23 GMT
#238
On November 18 2012 20:38 Kiyo. wrote:
IPL, if you have a free spot still, you should invite the Battle.net World Championship winner + Show Spoiler +
Parting
. Would make a great tournament even better.


Parting is going to WCG 2012, which is happening at the same time as IPL5.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
November 18 2012 15:31 GMT
#239
On November 16 2012 03:19 IGNProLeague wrote:
Updates:

+MaJoR
+ByuL
+YoDa
-Axslav


Ahh, so IM decided to send YoDa. I suspected they might pick NesTea after his performance the last time, but YoDa is a great choice. In fact I'd say I think it's probably the best choice.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17271 Posts
November 19 2012 15:01 GMT
#240
Its great that organizations like IGN.com are trying to get into eSports.

BUT, hosting live events is not their forte. They are great a making video game media web content.
In his big interview David Ting admitted right away it was a lot of "new code" and to expect problems.

At least, its free.

Hopefully, the new "secret" console titles are paying IGN a lot of cash to put on this event.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
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