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On November 16 2012 21:45 jobber123rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 18:58 Zax19 wrote:On November 16 2012 13:45 jobber123rd wrote:On November 16 2012 05:44 Zax19 wrote:Qxc goes to WCG in China and Ganzi takes his place? Well played Complexity!  On November 16 2012 01:48 csn_JohnClark wrote:
For those that are complaining about the finals format of a bo5 to bo3. This is something that I proposed at LSC2 for timing issues..and does offer a fair format for both the winner and loser.
No format is perfect... but for a matter of timing and to avoid any sort of 'extended series'.. this format does work.
Ideally, a second bo5 is a great choice... but timing and fatigue play a major role in the decision to run a possible 2nd bo5 series.
Once the loser wins the first bo5.. .essentially, the players are tied in number of loses and any format after that is fair and even. A single bo3 to determine the champion creates the same results (statistically) as a single bo5... but the time required is almost cut in half. I personally see the final bo3 as an 'overtime' after things have been evened up between the 2 players.
My 2.5 cents... I see no reason to penalise the player from the shadow bracket because he already has to play more matches to get there. Simple Bo7 starting at 0:0 is fine. Then you'd throw be throwing away the double-elimination aspect of the tournament at the final stage, giving no reward to the player who made it there without losing a match. The upper bracket player already has an advantage – he had to play less games. That’s his advantage. So unless you want to start taking into account things like W/L up till that point or giving a player who just dropped into the shadow bracket an advantage 1:0 in his first Bo3 because he got farther than his opponent (which would be ridiculous) there is no reason to change the rules in the final series. That's a matter of perspective, then; it could just as easily be said that having the WB player eliminated by losing a single straight-up series (unlike everyone else in the tournament) is changing the rules (or at least, changing the format).
I absolutely forgot about the extra chance to lose. Hm, I’m not sure what the value of a chance to win vs. a chance to lose is. It would depend on how early a player loses a series - considering the total amount of extra Bo3, one more Bo3 in the finals is probably fair to the upper bracket player. As you pointed out, we were looking at it from a different perspective and thank you for explaining the reason for the final Bo3.
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On November 16 2012 22:42 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 18:16 Acer.ParanOid wrote:On November 16 2012 09:58 StarVe wrote:On November 16 2012 09:50 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'm confused on Nerchio's status on IPL5. Is he going or not? Presumably he qualified again through the EU World Championship bracket, don't know how he could qualify twice otherwise, so I assume he'll go (I'd assume that anyway, I've heard him talk in interviews about going to IPL, even though that wasn't recently) and play in both IPL 5 and the showmatches against GSL players. If he still drops out, I haven't said anything, possible he doesn't want to go since his friend Paranoid isn't going for whatever reason. Anyway, there's still Scarlett from Acer who's most likely going to be there, I'm pretty sure he'll come. His flight is booked, and the only thing missing about Nerchios trip is a visa. That should be done within the next days when hes back from China . Yay, thanks for posting! Why aren't you going, by the way? You don't have time or Acer doesn't want to fly you out?
We decided that for the better good it will be better for me to participate in the WCG finals, which unfortunately are at the same time as IPL .
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On November 17 2012 00:30 Acer.ParanOid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 22:42 StarVe wrote:On November 16 2012 18:16 Acer.ParanOid wrote:On November 16 2012 09:58 StarVe wrote:On November 16 2012 09:50 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I'm confused on Nerchio's status on IPL5. Is he going or not? Presumably he qualified again through the EU World Championship bracket, don't know how he could qualify twice otherwise, so I assume he'll go (I'd assume that anyway, I've heard him talk in interviews about going to IPL, even though that wasn't recently) and play in both IPL 5 and the showmatches against GSL players. If he still drops out, I haven't said anything, possible he doesn't want to go since his friend Paranoid isn't going for whatever reason. Anyway, there's still Scarlett from Acer who's most likely going to be there, I'm pretty sure he'll come. His flight is booked, and the only thing missing about Nerchios trip is a visa. That should be done within the next days when hes back from China . Yay, thanks for posting! Why aren't you going, by the way? You don't have time or Acer doesn't want to fly you out? We decided that for the better good it will be better for me to participate in the WCG finals, which unfortunately are at the same time as IPL .
Ah, you go as Nerchio's replacement, lol. Good luck, hope you do well, your play has been looking good recently.
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Player Update:
-MaNa for personal reasons
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On November 17 2012 03:07 IGNProLeague wrote:
Player Update:
-MaNa for personal reasons
Damn, the ESWC Champion would've been a nice asset, but this lineup is so stacked it's pretty hard to complain.
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Time zones have now been added to the OP.
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On November 15 2012 10:12 TigerKarl wrote:
I don't understand how tournaments can still think that inviting 72 players is a good idea. Costs are exploding and there's still not more than 20 players who can win that thing. Most of those players get barely any media coverage and their stories usually don't give much more than telling who they've beaten. Everybody wants E-Sports to grow, but these assembly line tournaments are just producing an incredible amount of games with little to no meaning, instead of producing and hyping more meaningful matches. Prize money could be at least double that size, and therefore generate a lot more attention and hype than lots of B and C level players.
just cause they're invited doesn't mean that all 72 have their expenses covered... it just means theres no open bracket and all players qualified through someone unless hes a replacement for someone who can't attend...
Ohter than that, cool to see Major added to the list. Gonna be a sick tourney
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On November 17 2012 09:23 EliteSK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:12 TigerKarl wrote:
I don't understand how tournaments can still think that inviting 72 players is a good idea. Costs are exploding and there's still not more than 20 players who can win that thing. Most of those players get barely any media coverage and their stories usually don't give much more than telling who they've beaten. Everybody wants E-Sports to grow, but these assembly line tournaments are just producing an incredible amount of games with little to no meaning, instead of producing and hyping more meaningful matches. Prize money could be at least double that size, and therefore generate a lot more attention and hype than lots of B and C level players. just cause they're invited doesn't mean that all 72 have their expenses covered... it just means theres no open bracket and all players qualified through someone unless hes a replacement for someone who can't attend... Ohter than that, cool to see Major added to the list. Gonna be a sick tourney
Also, note that the original plan was to have 40 players (with eight getting expenses paid), but the satellite qualifiers for EU and (especially) NA happened at unfortunate times (weekends that would conflict with major offline tournaments), so they added more players and another round to the tournament.
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So many good players! It's overwhelming!
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IPL always seems to create the hardest tournaments to win lol. I will tune in to watch for sure.
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On November 16 2012 05:44 Zax19 wrote:Qxc goes to WCG in China and Ganzi takes his place? Well played Complexity! Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 01:48 csn_JohnClark wrote:
For those that are complaining about the finals format of a bo5 to bo3. This is something that I proposed at LSC2 for timing issues..and does offer a fair format for both the winner and loser.
No format is perfect... but for a matter of timing and to avoid any sort of 'extended series'.. this format does work.
Ideally, a second bo5 is a great choice... but timing and fatigue play a major role in the decision to run a possible 2nd bo5 series.
Once the loser wins the first bo5.. .essentially, the players are tied in number of loses and any format after that is fair and even. A single bo3 to determine the champion creates the same results (statistically) as a single bo5... but the time required is almost cut in half. I personally see the final bo3 as an 'overtime' after things have been evened up between the 2 players.
My 2.5 cents... I see no reason to penalise the player from the shadow bracket because he already has to play more matches to get there. Simple Bo7 starting at 0:0 is fine.
Wait...
so a player can lose 2-0 and then win a bo5 3-2 and instantly be on even ground from the losers bracket? no...
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I'm relieved day9 is not casting. Don't have to hear someone use the ultimate nonword "play" five times in every twenty word utterance.
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Now this is a tournament that REALLY represents the best players in the world. Should replace WCS bracket with this one 
Good caster line-up as well. Remove TB and Tasteless and replace with Wolf + Khaldor and it'd be just about perfect!
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IPL, if you have a free spot still, you should invite the Battle.net World Championship winner + Show Spoiler +. Would make a great tournament even better.
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On November 18 2012 20:38 Kiyo. wrote:IPL, if you have a free spot still, you should invite the Battle.net World Championship winner + Show Spoiler +. Would make a great tournament even better.
Parting is going to WCG 2012, which is happening at the same time as IPL5.
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On November 16 2012 03:19 IGNProLeague wrote:
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+MaJoR
+ByuL
+YoDa
-Axslav
Ahh, so IM decided to send YoDa. I suspected they might pick NesTea after his performance the last time, but YoDa is a great choice. In fact I'd say I think it's probably the best choice.
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Its great that organizations like IGN.com are trying to get into eSports.
BUT, hosting live events is not their forte. They are great a making video game media web content.
In his big interview David Ting admitted right away it was a lot of "new code" and to expect problems.
At least, its free.
Hopefully, the new "secret" console titles are paying IGN a lot of cash to put on this event.
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