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Went to bed as Nani 1-0 Flash in the first series, damn shame he didn't manage to beat him in the extended series 
And now he's up against soO/Rain......-_________________________-
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On November 04 2012 19:04 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 18:53 SiroKO wrote:On November 04 2012 18:51 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:48 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 18:47 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:45 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 18:20 marmuc wrote:
so flash playing 6 months just raped naniwa who played 24h/day for over 2 years, just shows how sick flash is. this post makes little sense Actually it makes a lot of sense. first of all, flash barely won secondly, noone plays 24hr/day lol flash has also been playing a similar game for many years before this he's being paid hundreds of thousands per year to play, whereas naniwa isn't paid at all by his sponsor. *shrug ;p I don't think you took that 24/7 literally Even when not taking it litteraly, this post makes little to no-sense. According to this logic, none should ever have to catch up to Boxer and Garimto skills in BW. According to that logic (disregarding words like "raped/sick") Flash managed to be at the same level as Naniwa is or a little above in only 6 months. You got to give Flash some credits. To be honest I wasn't expecting Kespa players to bounce back after switching to sc2 so quickly. Hope now it makes sense.
Considering that Flash already had the mechanics and Kespa players only had to catch up to the current meta game where a lot of things had already be 'figured' out. 6 months playing that much every day is a pretty decent amount of time. I think most eSF pros said it would take about 6 months for Kespa to catch up (maybe slightly longer since Kespa still had hybrid league). So I don't really think it is all that a huge shock that the top Kespa pros are already on par with eSF players. Obviously, it is still impressive to see.
Like someone said, it would be like saying Flash 'caught up' to Boxer when Boxer had been playing Broodwar since Flash was like 6-7 years old. The skill/time ratio is not linear and it begins to plateau.
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Are there no VODS? Payed for the stream but have not been able to watch much...
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So Naniwa faced Flash twice already and might go up against Rain next. Good luck with that. Can I watch the extended series anywhere?
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On November 04 2012 20:04 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 19:04 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:53 SiroKO wrote:On November 04 2012 18:51 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:48 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 18:47 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:45 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 18:20 marmuc wrote:
so flash playing 6 months just raped naniwa who played 24h/day for over 2 years, just shows how sick flash is. this post makes little sense Actually it makes a lot of sense. first of all, flash barely won secondly, noone plays 24hr/day lol flash has also been playing a similar game for many years before this he's being paid hundreds of thousands per year to play, whereas naniwa isn't paid at all by his sponsor. *shrug ;p I don't think you took that 24/7 literally Even when not taking it litteraly, this post makes little to no-sense. According to this logic, none should ever have to catch up to Boxer and Garimto skills in BW. According to that logic (disregarding words like "raped/sick") Flash managed to be at the same level as Naniwa is or a little above in only 6 months. You got to give Flash some credits. To be honest I wasn't expecting Kespa players to bounce back after switching to sc2 so quickly. Hope now it makes sense. Considering that Flash already had the mechanics and Kespa players only had to catch up to the current meta game where a lot of things had already be 'figured' out. 6 months playing that much every day is a pretty decent amount of time. I think most eSF pros said it would take about 6 months for Kespa to catch up (maybe slightly longer since Kespa still had hybrid league). So I don't really think it is all that a huge shock that the top Kespa pros are already on par with eSF players. Obviously, it is still impressive to see. Like someone said, it would be like saying Flash 'caught up' to Boxer when Boxer had been playing Broodwar since Flash was like 6-7 years old. The skill/time ratio is not linear and it begins to plateau.
Yeah exactly, it's really massively overstated, although their play level is impressive.
1. Kespa pros have all the replays and VoDs they could want to use in their efforts to figure the game out.
2. The game has been figured out to its current level by ESF pros and is immeasurably different from when they started playing.
The first god knows how long consisted of 4 gate being viable in all matchups, hatch first builds were much riskier than they are now, the 1/1/1 has come and gone, etc etc etc
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On November 04 2012 19:43 Gr33d wrote:
So when we will see a MLG Korea? The majority of the players are koreans anyway, it would be cheaper to fly those 3-4 foreigners to seoul. Well Naniwa is there anyways, so you probably don't have to fly in anybody at all.
Live events are about audience as well. It is the reason why we have sports tournaments all over the world even though some region/countries might dominate it.
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On November 04 2012 20:15 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 20:04 vthree wrote:On November 04 2012 19:04 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:53 SiroKO wrote:On November 04 2012 18:51 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:48 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 18:47 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:45 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 18:20 marmuc wrote:
so flash playing 6 months just raped naniwa who played 24h/day for over 2 years, just shows how sick flash is. this post makes little sense Actually it makes a lot of sense. first of all, flash barely won secondly, noone plays 24hr/day lol flash has also been playing a similar game for many years before this he's being paid hundreds of thousands per year to play, whereas naniwa isn't paid at all by his sponsor. *shrug ;p I don't think you took that 24/7 literally Even when not taking it litteraly, this post makes little to no-sense. According to this logic, none should ever have to catch up to Boxer and Garimto skills in BW. According to that logic (disregarding words like "raped/sick") Flash managed to be at the same level as Naniwa is or a little above in only 6 months. You got to give Flash some credits. To be honest I wasn't expecting Kespa players to bounce back after switching to sc2 so quickly. Hope now it makes sense. Considering that Flash already had the mechanics and Kespa players only had to catch up to the current meta game where a lot of things had already be 'figured' out. 6 months playing that much every day is a pretty decent amount of time. I think most eSF pros said it would take about 6 months for Kespa to catch up (maybe slightly longer since Kespa still had hybrid league). So I don't really think it is all that a huge shock that the top Kespa pros are already on par with eSF players. Obviously, it is still impressive to see. Like someone said, it would be like saying Flash 'caught up' to Boxer when Boxer had been playing Broodwar since Flash was like 6-7 years old. The skill/time ratio is not linear and it begins to plateau. Yeah exactly, it's really massively overstated, although their play level is impressive. 1. Kespa pros have all the replays and VoDs they could want to use in their efforts to figure the game out. 2. The game has been figured out to its current level by ESF pros and is immeasurably different from when they started playing. The first god knows how long consisted of 4 gate being viable in all matchups, hatch first builds were much riskier than they are now, the 1/1/1 has come and gone, etc etc etc
On point 2, you don't think the kespa pros could be at an even more impressive level had they made the switch when sc2 was still in its infantile stage?
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Northern Ireland27480 Posts
On November 04 2012 20:32 fluidin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 20:15 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 04 2012 20:04 vthree wrote:On November 04 2012 19:04 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:53 SiroKO wrote:On November 04 2012 18:51 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:48 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 18:47 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:45 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 18:20 marmuc wrote:
so flash playing 6 months just raped naniwa who played 24h/day for over 2 years, just shows how sick flash is. this post makes little sense Actually it makes a lot of sense. first of all, flash barely won secondly, noone plays 24hr/day lol flash has also been playing a similar game for many years before this he's being paid hundreds of thousands per year to play, whereas naniwa isn't paid at all by his sponsor. *shrug ;p I don't think you took that 24/7 literally Even when not taking it litteraly, this post makes little to no-sense. According to this logic, none should ever have to catch up to Boxer and Garimto skills in BW. According to that logic (disregarding words like "raped/sick") Flash managed to be at the same level as Naniwa is or a little above in only 6 months. You got to give Flash some credits. To be honest I wasn't expecting Kespa players to bounce back after switching to sc2 so quickly. Hope now it makes sense. Considering that Flash already had the mechanics and Kespa players only had to catch up to the current meta game where a lot of things had already be 'figured' out. 6 months playing that much every day is a pretty decent amount of time. I think most eSF pros said it would take about 6 months for Kespa to catch up (maybe slightly longer since Kespa still had hybrid league). So I don't really think it is all that a huge shock that the top Kespa pros are already on par with eSF players. Obviously, it is still impressive to see. Like someone said, it would be like saying Flash 'caught up' to Boxer when Boxer had been playing Broodwar since Flash was like 6-7 years old. The skill/time ratio is not linear and it begins to plateau. Yeah exactly, it's really massively overstated, although their play level is impressive. 1. Kespa pros have all the replays and VoDs they could want to use in their efforts to figure the game out. 2. The game has been figured out to its current level by ESF pros and is immeasurably different from when they started playing. The first god knows how long consisted of 4 gate being viable in all matchups, hatch first builds were much riskier than they are now, the 1/1/1 has come and gone, etc etc etc On point 2, you don't think the kespa pros could be at an even more impressive level had they made the switch when sc2 was still in its infantile stage?
Quite possibly I don't think people dispute just how good the Kespa pros are at RTS games, that said for every Flash or Rain there's a Bisu or Jaedong who haven't looked so hot thus far. It'll be interesting to see how things progress
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On November 04 2012 20:32 fluidin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 20:15 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 04 2012 20:04 vthree wrote:On November 04 2012 19:04 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:53 SiroKO wrote:On November 04 2012 18:51 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:48 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 18:47 HomeWorld wrote:On November 04 2012 18:45 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 18:20 marmuc wrote:
so flash playing 6 months just raped naniwa who played 24h/day for over 2 years, just shows how sick flash is. this post makes little sense Actually it makes a lot of sense. first of all, flash barely won secondly, noone plays 24hr/day lol flash has also been playing a similar game for many years before this he's being paid hundreds of thousands per year to play, whereas naniwa isn't paid at all by his sponsor. *shrug ;p I don't think you took that 24/7 literally Even when not taking it litteraly, this post makes little to no-sense. According to this logic, none should ever have to catch up to Boxer and Garimto skills in BW. According to that logic (disregarding words like "raped/sick") Flash managed to be at the same level as Naniwa is or a little above in only 6 months. You got to give Flash some credits. To be honest I wasn't expecting Kespa players to bounce back after switching to sc2 so quickly. Hope now it makes sense. Considering that Flash already had the mechanics and Kespa players only had to catch up to the current meta game where a lot of things had already be 'figured' out. 6 months playing that much every day is a pretty decent amount of time. I think most eSF pros said it would take about 6 months for Kespa to catch up (maybe slightly longer since Kespa still had hybrid league). So I don't really think it is all that a huge shock that the top Kespa pros are already on par with eSF players. Obviously, it is still impressive to see. Like someone said, it would be like saying Flash 'caught up' to Boxer when Boxer had been playing Broodwar since Flash was like 6-7 years old. The skill/time ratio is not linear and it begins to plateau. Yeah exactly, it's really massively overstated, although their play level is impressive. 1. Kespa pros have all the replays and VoDs they could want to use in their efforts to figure the game out. 2. The game has been figured out to its current level by ESF pros and is immeasurably different from when they started playing. The first god knows how long consisted of 4 gate being viable in all matchups, hatch first builds were much riskier than they are now, the 1/1/1 has come and gone, etc etc etc On point 2, you don't think the kespa pros could be at an even more impressive level had they made the switch when sc2 was still in its infantile stage?
No. What it is saying is that eventhough Naniwa has been playing for 2 plus years, it doesn't take 2 years to 'catch up' since Kespa players already had the mechanical skill. Of course, if Kespa pros had switched when the game was 6 months old, they would have caught up, faster. You have examples like Mvp, etc.
Let say Kespa pro had to play in a 'vacuum', where they had no access to VoDs or other resources and only played amongst themselves. Then it would take a lot longer to 'catch up'. Although it still would be less than 2 years since their mechanical skill were already superior.
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On November 04 2012 11:46 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 11:44 zefreak wrote:
Are people happy that the best RTS player ever is losing to someone with .01% of his achievements? Naniwa was one of the top WC3 players of all time. And he puts in so much fucking effort right now into SC2, and its that what determines who should win and who should lose, and both of them put in that effort. Don't fucking discredit Naniwa, he does more than you'll ever know.
Just reading some posts about the Flash/Nani series...and suddenly someone talks dumb shit. Nani a WC3 Legend? Among the Top Players of all Time? Whats wrong with you ._.?
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Thought he was done after Nani 4gate Robo'd him
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Fighting!
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Where the fuck are my VOD's MLG? I fucking paid you guys $14.99 when my internet can't even handle the HD stream just to get VOD's/DVR ability. I basically paid for nothing, good work guys.
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Is MLG going to restream the entire day just like yesterday? If so, where can I watch?
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On November 04 2012 19:49 Coal wrote:Went to bed as Nani 1-0 Flash in the first series, damn shame he didn't manage to beat him in the extended series And now he's up against soO/Rain......-_________________________-
hey hey hey... he'll make it
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pm me for vods 
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On November 04 2012 21:06 gold_ wrote:
Where the fuck are my VOD's MLG? I fucking paid you guys $14.99 when my internet can't even handle the HD stream just to get VOD's/DVR ability. I basically paid for nothing, good work guys.
Did you check their twitch page? That's where I found them
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I was looking forward to watching MC play, too bad he got knocked out so early.
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On November 04 2012 20:55 ArcadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 11:46 Pandain wrote:On November 04 2012 11:44 zefreak wrote:
Are people happy that the best RTS player ever is losing to someone with .01% of his achievements? Naniwa was one of the top WC3 players of all time. And he puts in so much fucking effort right now into SC2, and its that what determines who should win and who should lose, and both of them put in that effort. Don't fucking discredit Naniwa, he does more than you'll ever know. Just reading some posts about the Flash/Nani series...and suddenly someone talks dumb shit. Nani a WC3 Legend? Among the Top Players of all Time? Whats wrong with you ._.?
lols he already got atked multiple times for that statement and apologized for his wrong info. With how fast with LR threads move, if you say one really dumb thing you will get 10 people quoting you all thinking they are the first to do so.
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On November 04 2012 21:58 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 21:06 gold_ wrote:
Where the fuck are my VOD's MLG? I fucking paid you guys $14.99 when my internet can't even handle the HD stream just to get VOD's/DVR ability. I basically paid for nothing, good work guys. Did you check their twitch page? That's where I found them
Are the VODs only available for subscribers on twitch?
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