How they got here Maru defeated EffOrt 2-1 and asd 2-0 JYP fell from the Ro16 Code S mini defeated NaNiwa 2-0 and Flash 2-1 Curious fell from the Ro16 Code S Terminator defeated SuHoSin 2-0 and Shine 2-0 Polt fell from the Ro16 Code S RorO defeated AcE 2-0 and Ryung 2-0 DongRaeGu fell from the Ro16 Code S
Also: Interesting how every single Code A player that didn't fall from Code S is playing in a matchup they are yet to play this season. And only terminator after tonight won't have played all 3. Ty for data shellshock
On October 17 2012 15:05 Fionn wrote: Three of the strongest ESF players who fell from Code S vs. Three of the strongest KeSPA players trying to get into Code S.
On October 17 2012 15:05 Fionn wrote: Three of the strongest ESF players who fell from Code S vs. Three of the strongest KeSPA players trying to get into Code S.
Should be good.
Looks like a good storyline
Too bad that DRG will be excused if he loses because he was busy practicing for OSL.
Beside being PvZ, mini vs Curious should be interesting. Also JYP vs Maru should be good. JYP has shown pretty solid PvT recently, now he has to confirm against Maru. If Maru plays as well as MKP or Mvp during code S RO16, it will be hard for JYP, yet JYP was able to take a game over the latter.
On October 17 2012 15:05 Fionn wrote: Three of the strongest ESF players who fell from Code S vs. Three of the strongest KeSPA players trying to get into Code S.
Should be good.
Looks like a good storyline
Too bad that DRG will be excused if he loses because he was busy practicing for OSL.
The real test for him will be the OSL finals anyway.
So I was just trying to play some 3v3 games to have a little fun and I now know that 4 am is not a good time to be on ladder. Immature BM'ers as far as the eye can see. At least this is on now.
Code A has been brutal for Code S players so far this season (Kespa players has a lot to do with it but some have been taken out by eSF Code A/B players as well). Will see if the trend continues tonight.
On October 17 2012 18:12 vthree wrote: Code A has been brutal for Code S players so far this season (Kespa players has a lot to do with it but some have been taken out by eSF Code A/B players as well). Will see if the trend continues tonight.
That's good. That means the level of play has been elevating recently.
On October 17 2012 18:12 vthree wrote: Code A has been brutal for Code S players so far this season (Kespa players has a lot to do with it but some have been taken out by eSF Code A/B players as well). Will see if the trend continues tonight.
That's good. That means the level of play has been elevating recently.
Yes, the level has always been increasing. But with the Kespa players, it has been kicked into overdrive. There are quite a few series that you couldn't tell if it was Code S or A. Although there were some 'bad' series as well but you get those in Code S sometimes.
On October 17 2012 18:18 Yello wrote: AHAHAHAHAHA That depot is so awesome. Goddamnit Maru that is fucking genius
its actually really a bad thing for maru, he lost his scv
It was really cute and I think it was an even trade at the end. Maru is really good at hiding what he does. Poor JYP didn't know a thing until his Observer came out.
Looks like JYP is going 2-base colossus-allin now.
On October 17 2012 18:30 Dodgin wrote: Wonder if the thread is going to be attacked again tonight.
maybe but I feel like it's less likely since it's code A and less people are watching. havent all the attacks been in Code S and OSL threads?
No it was posted here and in OSL at the same time yesterday.
I wonder who gives up first: that guy or TL. For TL giving up would mean doing something to stop him from posting that they don't really want to (like not allowing images for people under 50 posts)
JYP getting outclassed hard despite Maru's mistakes...just playing so safe and turtley but no real plan...just expanding and wants to abuse lategame warp ins or something?
That seems like too many ghosts. What is he going to do with them in the actual battle? Only needs 4-5 EMPs to coat the army... I guess he's probably going to try to snipe the obs.
On October 17 2012 18:48 JJH777 wrote: That seems like too many ghosts. What is he going to do with them in the actual battle? Only needs 4-5 EMPs to coat the army... I guess he's probably going to try to snipe the obs.
Yeah, seen this before from a few other Terrans, not sure if it's that good tbh. Cloaked ghosts + no obs = lots of impossible to kill units.
On October 17 2012 18:44 GreyKnight wrote: JYP getting outclassed hard despite Maru's mistakes...just playing so safe and turtley but no real plan...just expanding and wants to abuse lategame warp ins or something?
On October 17 2012 18:58 euRooster wrote: oh man, JYP loses another PvT...what a surprise :/
You know what's worse than having a bad matchup? Having a bad matchup for a while, working hard on it to make sure that it's not that much of a problem anymore, largely succeeding, and still having 80% of your fanbase being snarky about it whenever you lose in the matchup.
On October 17 2012 18:57 Lightspeaker wrote: Terran is too weak to play lategame vs Protoss amirite?
Ok, that jab aside that was an awesome game. Hugely entertaining, really disappointed I missed the start.
I used to play zerg but have been playing terran for the last 4 months. Let me just tell you that i now have a whole different level of respect for these korean terrans who manage to look this dominant in late game TvP.
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
The main problem was that he was caught out of position pretty often. He was forced into bad engagements by Maru. JYP has to work on his positional play.
Ok, well I don't want to watch a PvZ, so I'm going to go shower. Hopefully I return and Curious does the Curious staple of winning so long as it's not Ro16 in a tournament.
But I can't watch PvZ nowdays. It goes to lategame far too much, and you can read through almost any page of the OSL semi to get a gist of that.
Actually. When I was looking at JYP's base, rather than carpet nuking his front, wouldn't a more intelligent decision to have been to send 4 ghosts into the main in a medivac and carpet nuke his production?
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
On October 17 2012 19:02 bittman wrote: Ok, well I don't want to watch a PvZ, so I'm going to go shower. Hopefully I return and Curious does the Curious staple of winning so long as it's not Ro16 in a tournament.
But I can't watch PvZ nowdays. It goes to lategame far too much, and you can read through almost any page of the OSL semi to get a gist of that.
I dont like the match up either but im gonna watch just because Mini is so cocky and i want to see if he can play like he talks :p
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
The main problem was that he was caught out of position pretty often. He was forced into bad engagements by Maru. JYP has to work on his positional play.
Yeah. He lost ALL his colossi when they were way out of position.
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprised that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP was totally outplayed there. But I do think there are Protosses who can deal with the pressure better than JYP and put on constant harass on their own while defending. JYP only used a storm drop, when the game was basically over. And there is not so much terran can do about that, since they are lacking anti ground static defence. well played by Maru and he is definately ahead of JYP in terms of play and skill, but I don't see this working against higher protoss players.
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
On October 17 2012 19:08 TeeTS wrote: JYP was totally outplayed there. But I do think there are Protosses who can deal with the pressure better than JYP and put on constant harass on their own while defending. JYP only used a storm drop, when the game was basically over. And there is not so much terran can do about that, since they are lacking anti ground static defence. well played by Maru and he is definately ahead of JYP in terms of play and skill, but I don't see this working against higher protoss players.
On October 17 2012 19:08 TeeTS wrote: JYP was totally outplayed there. But I do think there are Protosses who can deal with the pressure better than JYP and put on constant harass on their own while defending. JYP only used a storm drop, when the game was basically over. And there is not so much terran can do about that, since they are lacking anti ground static defence. well played by Maru and he is definately ahead of JYP in terms of play and skill, but I don't see this working against higher protoss players.
He did do a Colossus drop and some zealot warp ins, but they got shut down pretty hard.
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
mini looks SEXY. that uniform - at least i think its stx's uniform - is so awesome im pretty disillusioned with zvp lately but this could be a cool matchup
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
??, lol, JYP is only really bad in pvt, he has top 3 pvz and average code S level pvp. if anything heart and happy were definitly the worst 2. JYP was quite outclassed amongst the top 16, but he is definitly better than those 2.
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
He sometimes shows top Code-S skills but not in PvT and not often enough to be considered top level Code-S player. He is good but not on the highest level.
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
wasn't mkp the weakest?
lol, haha, 0 ppl voted him as strongest, doesnt mean that he was weakest :p
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
??, lol, JYP is only really bad in pvt, he has top 3 pvz and average code S level pvp. if anything heart and happy were definitly the worst 2. JYP was quite outclassed amongst the top 16, but he is definitly better than those 2.
So i cheers KESPA players to kick the noob out of code S. Example, Nestea(he is changed), Gumiho, Curious, Happy, JYP, herat, etc. I want code S more competitive.
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
??, lol, JYP is only really bad in pvt, he has top 3 pvz and average code S level pvp. if anything heart and happy were definitly the worst 2. JYP was quite outclassed amongst the top 16, but he is definitly better than those 2.
So i cheers KESPA players to kick the noob out of code S. Example, Nestea(he is changed), Gumiho, Curious, Happy, JYP, herat, etc. I want code S more competitive.
i wouldn't really call gumiho a noob ;p he's pretty good
haha that was cool. The Zealots kites and the Zerg just right clicked. At the end all the weak only need one hit lings were just throwing themself at the Zealot to kill them. And then that comment about the awesome Zerg micro not losing lings. Almost fell from the chair.
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
??, lol, JYP is only really bad in pvt, he has top 3 pvz and average code S level pvp. if anything heart and happy were definitly the worst 2. JYP was quite outclassed amongst the top 16, but he is definitly better than those 2.
So i cheers KESPA players to kick the noob out of code S. Example, Nestea(he is changed), Gumiho, Curious, Happy, JYP, herat, etc. I want code S more competitive.
I would agree with you apart from Gumiho who I think is really talented and exciting to watch
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
??, lol, JYP is only really bad in pvt, he has top 3 pvz and average code S level pvp. if anything heart and happy were definitly the worst 2. JYP was quite outclassed amongst the top 16, but he is definitly better than those 2.
So i cheers KESPA players to kick the noob out of code S. Example, Nestea(he is changed), Gumiho, Curious, Happy, JYP, herat, etc. I want code S more competitive.
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
??, lol, JYP is only really bad in pvt, he has top 3 pvz and average code S level pvp. if anything heart and happy were definitly the worst 2. JYP was quite outclassed amongst the top 16, but he is definitly better than those 2.
So i cheers KESPA players to kick the noob out of code S. Example, Nestea(he is changed), Gumiho, Curious, Happy, JYP, herat, etc. I want code S more competitive.
i wouldn't really call gumiho a noob ;p he's pretty good
Yeh Gumiho is legit. And he plays an interesting scrappy style.
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
??, lol, JYP is only really bad in pvt, he has top 3 pvz and average code S level pvp. if anything heart and happy were definitly the worst 2. JYP was quite outclassed amongst the top 16, but he is definitly better than those 2.
So i cheers KESPA players to kick the noob out of code S. Example, Nestea(he is changed), Gumiho, Curious, Happy, JYP, herat, etc. I want code S more competitive.
gumiho and curious are definitly code S level rofl, gumiho has reached ro4 before and all killed a team in a finals....... curious has been in code S for 5 seasons in a row and he is dominating mini this map atm
On October 17 2012 19:22 Serelitz wrote: Well guys, this is why Stargate into tech into 3rd is a bad idea, you simply don't have enough to hold off the lings. Especially on a map like this.
Map dependant. On Abyssal city any opening into 3rd base is a bad idea.
On October 17 2012 19:22 ACrow wrote: Dear Khaldor, the Colossi were still standing there because of a spell called fungal, not because mini didn't try to position them better.
A little difficult to notice with all the green beach balls around
On October 17 2012 19:26 JohnyMnemonic wrote: that's Why FlaSh should be here, not Mini....
curious is better in zvt than zvp, flash also has better tvp than tvz, so i think curious wouldve won if it was curious vs flash, mini is just not playing to his level atm
On October 17 2012 18:55 Zealos wrote: What did JYP do wrong?
Positioned badly, reacted badly to nukes, and fell apart at important moments with his map awareness and multitask
Dat hater. His harass was great and his HT play was also. His reaction to nukes was not enough though.
you think his harass was great? You must see By,Rain's play. You will know how JYP lost
So because JYP is not able to harass as well as Rain, it should mean it was bad ? Rain is basically so good that he gets a such an advantage from the early game and everyone knows it's easier to harass when you're far ahead. JYP had some nice bank but was not that far ahead.
I think he is good for code A but not for code S. So I am not surprise that he lost to Maru. In addition, in round16, Heart and JYP are the weakest code S.
JYP beat Curious 2-0 in his Code S ro16 group. He didn't even finish last in his group how could he be in the bottom 2 of the ro16?
All code S players thought and said that in the group domination. You must admit it, JYP fan. He is good but isn't good enough.
??, lol, JYP is only really bad in pvt, he has top 3 pvz and average code S level pvp. if anything heart and happy were definitly the worst 2. JYP was quite outclassed amongst the top 16, but he is definitly better than those 2.
So i cheers KESPA players to kick the noob out of code S. Example, Nestea(he is changed), Gumiho, Curious, Happy, JYP, herat, etc. I want code S more competitive.
On October 17 2012 19:27 Jehct wrote: Seems like Mini practiced against turtle-zergs and never had his builds properly tested against aggressive play =/
That wasn't remotely close, despite massive control mistakes by Curious
i like mini's choice to practice against turtle-zergs, curious is a really good hive player.
On October 17 2012 19:27 Jehct wrote: Seems like Mini practiced against turtle-zergs and never had his builds properly tested against aggressive play =/
That wasn't remotely close, despite massive control mistakes by Curious
It was textbook 2011 ZvP, so probably unlike anything Mini has ever played against :p
On October 17 2012 19:27 Jehct wrote: Seems like Mini practiced against turtle-zergs and never had his builds properly tested against aggressive play =/
That wasn't remotely close, despite massive control mistakes by Curious
i like mini's choice to practice against turtle-zergs, curious is a really good hive player.
He's a good hive player but he's an incredibly aggressive player, too. I'd say the main reason he hasn't broken the RO8 is that his style can be countered if you spend the time to analyse/prepare for it correctly.
On October 17 2012 19:27 Jehct wrote: Seems like Mini practiced against turtle-zergs and never had his builds properly tested against aggressive play =/
That wasn't remotely close, despite massive control mistakes by Curious
It was textbook 2011 ZvP, so probably unlike anything Mini has ever played against :p
hilariously true, even Mini's build was pretty 2011
On October 17 2012 19:27 Jehct wrote: Seems like Mini practiced against turtle-zergs and never had his builds properly tested against aggressive play =/
That wasn't remotely close, despite massive control mistakes by Curious
i like mini's choice to practice against turtle-zergs, curious is a really good hive player.
Maybe Curious is learning from Life a little bit? The opposite seemed to be true since Life's macro notably improved after joining ST. I'd love to see Curious include more aggressive games like that, I basically equated Broodlords to Curious as his only way of playing PvZ.
On October 17 2012 19:31 JohnyMnemonic wrote: but I strongly believe that FlaSh vs Curious would be much better to watch than this
And people would strongly believe that flash vs Naniwa would have been better to watch than Flash vs mini. And I would much rather watch MVP vs MC in the finals.
On October 17 2012 19:31 JohnyMnemonic wrote: but I strongly believe that FlaSh vs Curious would be much better to watch than this
And people would strongly believe that flash vs Naniwa would have been better to watch than Flash vs mini. And I would much rather watch MVP vs MC in the finals.
Nah, Life vs. Mvp would be better than MVP vs. MC.
On October 17 2012 19:31 JohnyMnemonic wrote: but I strongly believe that FlaSh vs Curious would be much better to watch than this
And people would strongly believe that flash vs Naniwa would have been better to watch than Flash vs mini. And I would much rather watch MVP vs MC in the finals.
Nah, Life vs. Mvp would be better than MVP vs. MC.
On October 17 2012 19:37 ACrow wrote: And here I thought Kespa players were supposed to have good macro. Mini definitely not one of the stronger elephants.
This is not the mini i've seen in the previous rounds, is he sick or something? x_x
mini at the last code a winners interview: If you beat Curious for the third round, you can advance to Code S.
"Personally, I don't Curious is that good. I have more confidence in my PvZ than PvT anyways so I think it'll be an easy victory for me. That's why I think I'll take this one easily."
The battle at the 3rd was at least a little tense, but still, it's not really so much fun to see someone lose just because he does a ton of obvious mistakes. Not saying that I could do it better but stilll, mini looks very weak here.
sounds like Curious' final code A match last season, where creator massively derped haha. maybe it's the Curious RO24 curse, where his opponents just fail
On October 17 2012 19:40 kratos-23 wrote: mini at the last code a winners interview: If you beat Curious for the third round, you can advance to Code S.
"Personally, I don't Curious is that good. I have more confidence in my PvZ than PvT anyways so I think it'll be an easy victory for me. That's why I think I'll take this one easily."
On October 17 2012 19:40 kratos-23 wrote: mini at the last code a winners interview: If you beat Curious for the third round, you can advance to Code S.
"Personally, I don't Curious is that good. I have more confidence in my PvZ than PvT anyways so I think it'll be an easy victory for me. That's why I think I'll take this one easily."
On October 17 2012 19:40 kratos-23 wrote: mini at the last code a winners interview: If you beat Curious for the third round, you can advance to Code S.
"Personally, I don't Curious is that good. I have more confidence in my PvZ than PvT anyways so I think it'll be an easy victory for me. That's why I think I'll take this one easily."
On October 17 2012 19:40 kratos-23 wrote: mini at the last code a winners interview: If you beat Curious for the third round, you can advance to Code S.
"Personally, I don't Curious is that good. I have more confidence in my PvZ than PvT anyways so I think it'll be an easy victory for me. That's why I think I'll take this one easily."
That was pretty poor there, it looked like mini didn't really have a clue on what to do if Curious managed to hold that pressure and be relatively even.
On October 17 2012 19:46 Zenbrez wrote: Zerg's good man
So that's the sum up of 1k minerals unspent during a SEVEN GATE all-in with no proxy pylon denial. That Zerg's good. Mini all-inned, failed (got at same econ level but with worse tech), lost his 3rd due to a stupid positioning mistake to an inferior force and subsequently lost.
pffft, Zerg should start using their own units more. Marines are for Terrans ! Especially I thought massfestor was really common by kespa Zergs, guess I was wrong.
Did you all really watch the game? You are seriously complaining about balance after a game where one of the players was just stacking mistakes on top of other mistakes? Weren't the LR thread supposed to be getting better?
On October 17 2012 19:46 Zenbrez wrote: Zerg's good man
So that's the sum up of 1k minerals unspent during a SEVEN GATE all-in with no proxy pylon denial. That Zerg's good. Mini all-inned, failed (got at same econ level but with worse tech), lost his 3rd due to a stupid positioning mistake to an inferior force and subsequently lost.
Not even same econ level, Curious had his 3rd up and mining all that time, and then after the all in failed, he got it up again way before Mini started his.
On October 17 2012 19:51 opisska wrote: Did you all really watch the game? You are seriously complaining about balance after a game where one of the players was just stacking mistakes on top of other mistakes? Weren't the LR thread supposed to be getting better?
Unfortunately prominent community members set an example early in SC2, so now balance whines are okay, regardless of the actual situation.
On October 17 2012 19:46 Zenbrez wrote: Zerg's good man
So that's the sum up of 1k minerals unspent during a SEVEN GATE all-in with no proxy pylon denial. That Zerg's good. Mini all-inned, failed (got at same econ level but with worse tech), lost his 3rd due to a stupid positioning mistake to an inferior force and subsequently lost.
5.00 Terminator spawning as the red Protoss in the 7 o'clock position. Polt spawning as the blue Terran in 1 o'clock position.
Polt starting a wall on his main ramp. Gateway before gas for Terminator.
Polt denies the scout from Terminator with a supply depot. Cybernetics Core from Terminator.
Polt going 1-rax expand. First Zealot on the way for Terminator.
CC started on the natural of Polt. Warpgate tech researching for Terminator, Zealot moving out.
Engineering Bay blocking the natural of Terminator, Bunker going up on the natural. Zealot pulls back, Terminator starts working on the Ebay.
2 more Barracks added on for Polt.
10.00 Engineering Bay not cancelled. Zealot is taken out by Polt.
Double gas for Polt. Robotics Facility added on for Terminator as he gets his natural.
Polt moves out with his marines. The Marines make it up the ramp of Terminator, Terminator doesn't pay attention and loses the Sentry, misplaces forcefield!
marines start picking off Probes, total of 13 before it's cleaned up.
The Stalkers pushing for Terminator don't do any damage. 24 Probes to 33 SCVs.
Forge started for Terminator. Stim started for Polt, adding on a Factory and an Engineering Bay.
Polt takes another gas at his natural, adds on another two Barracks and a Starport. +1 armor started for Terminator.
+1 attack started by Polt. Polt is pushing forward with a small bioball.
First Immortal is out for Terminator, second in production. Polt now pulling back as Terminator pushes out with his army.
Concussive Shells started by Polt. Two more Gateways added on for Terminator.
I like how the Kespa pros are real scrappy though. They try to get back in the game no matter how big the disadvantage. I always like seeing the "gg" come a little late. (Not Fantasy late though).
5.00 Terminator spawning as the red Protoss in the 7 o'clock position. Polt spawning as the blue Terran in 1 o'clock position.
Polt starting a wall on his main ramp. Gateway before gas for Terminator.
Polt denies the scout from Terminator with a supply depot. Cybernetics Core from Terminator.
Polt going 1-rax expand. First Zealot on the way for Terminator.
CC started on the natural of Polt. Warpgate tech researching for Terminator, Zealot moving out.
Engineering Bay blocking the natural of Terminator, Bunker going up on the natural. Zealot pulls back, Terminator starts working on the Ebay.
2 more Barracks added on for Polt.
10.00 Engineering Bay not cancelled. Zealot is taken out by Polt.
Double gas for Polt. Robotics Facility added on for Terminator as he gets his natural.
Polt moves out with his marines. The Marines make it up the ramp of Terminator, Terminator doesn't pay attention and loses the Sentry, misplaces forcefield!
marines start picking off Probes, total of 13 before it's cleaned up.
The Stalkers pushing for Terminator don't do any damage. 24 Probes to 33 SCVs.
Forge started for Terminator. Stim started for Polt, adding on a Factory and an Engineering Bay.
Polt takes another gas at his natural, adds on another two Barracks and a Starport. +1 armor started for Terminator.
+1 attack started by Polt. Polt is pushing forward with a small bioball.
First Immortal is out for Terminator, second in production. Polt now pulling back as Terminator pushes out with his army.
Concussive Shells started by Polt. Two more Gateways added on for Terminator.
Third CC on the way for Polt.
15.00 Armory started for Polt, pushing out again with Medivacs. Combat Shields and another Engineering bay started for Polt.
Templar Archives coming in from Terminator. +1 armor started for Polt.
Charge and +1 attack started for Terminator. Polt stims in, picks off a Pylon and pulls back, baiting three forcefields from Terminator.
Storm and another Gate for Terminator. Third is finished for Polt, getting +2 attack.
3 more Barracks for Polt. Polt decides to push in, quick feedback on a medivac from the high ground, forcefields go down at the front of the natural of Terminator, but Polt's army is way superior. Reinforcements move over the map, but gg is called as the army of Terminator melts.
On October 17 2012 20:00 Acnologia wrote: Does anyone know who is observing this game? is it still STlegend?
Heaven
Did it actually say that? Should be Legend unless otherwise said.
Wolf said it during the very first game of the broadcast
Ah, wasn't watching at that time.
On October 17 2012 20:03 Serelitz wrote:
On October 17 2012 20:03 Hall0wed wrote:
On October 17 2012 20:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On October 17 2012 20:00 Acnologia wrote: Does anyone know who is observing this game? is it still STlegend?
Heaven
Did it actually say that? Should be Legend unless otherwise said.
Legend has been on a break for a few weeks I think.
Also lol wat.
Afaik Legend has been observing every day lately (besides today of course), though I've barely been watching games to notice otherwise.
you can tell because Heaven likes to wiggle the camera around during the intros
Ah I did see that one day while watching some game, dunno what it was. Most of the time I just listen to the cast and pull up the game right as it is about to end.
So, I've never watched a live event. And when I watch GSL, the screen looks like it's a mile away from the audience, with a not-very-big screen. Is it as small live as it seems to me?
offtopic but does anyone know, how to watch videos on Gom with free account? I can watch first videos in one set but can't watch the others cause I need a premium ticket. I can't watch even those played long ago
On October 17 2012 20:10 letian wrote: offtopic but does anyone know, how to watch videos on Gom with free account? I can watch first videos in one set but can't watch the others cause I need a premium ticket. I can't watch even those played long ago
You need a premium ticket. I think the first three seasons are free, and maybe some special events.
If you're looking for re-streams or illegal vods, you're at the wrong site buddy
On October 17 2012 20:10 letian wrote: offtopic but does anyone know, how to watch videos on Gom with free account? I can watch first videos in one set but can't watch the others cause I need a premium ticket. I can't watch even those played long ago
On October 17 2012 20:10 letian wrote: offtopic but does anyone know, how to watch videos on Gom with free account? I can watch first videos in one set but can't watch the others cause I need a premium ticket. I can't watch even those played long ago
yea. You make your free account into a not free account.
On October 17 2012 20:10 letian wrote: offtopic but does anyone know, how to watch videos on Gom with free account? I can watch first videos in one set but can't watch the others cause I need a premium ticket. I can't watch even those played long ago
If you don't mind watching Korean or Chinese VODs then I think you can legally find them for free.
5.00 Terminator spawning as the red Protoss in the 11 o'clock position. Polt spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position.
Gateway on the way for Terminator. Polt once again walling off with Supply Depot, Barracks.
Probe from Terminator makes it in before wall is finished. Polt's SCV also scouting right direction.
CC goes down for Polt. Cybernetics Core finishing up for Terminator.
Polt once again blocking with an Engineering Bay.
Second gas taken by Terminator. Two more Barracks added on for Polt.
Warpgate tech about 2/3 done. Polt taking double gas.
Engineering Bay is cancelled, Nexus placed down. Two Bunkers at the front of Polt's base.
2 more Gateways added on for Terminator, along with a RObo. Tech lab added on for Polt.
10.00 Stim started for Polt. Forge started by Terminator as warpgate tech finishes.
Polt placing down a Factory, +1 armor started for Terminator. 34/34 workers.
Engineering Bay is up for Polt, adds on a Starport. Twilight COuncil started by Terminator.
Polt moves out, dodges the Observer from Terminator. 2 Barracks and another gas added on for Polt.
Polt starts pushing up the natural ramp of Terminator, takes out a Zealot and baits two Forcefields. Polt pushes again as stim finishes, a handful marines taken out, but two Sentries fall. As the forcefields go down, Polt pushes up and kills all the Stalkers and Sentries remaining!
Another CC and +1 attack for Polt. Charge started by Terminator along with +1 attack and 4 Gates.
On October 17 2012 20:10 letian wrote: offtopic but does anyone know, how to watch videos on Gom with free account? I can watch first videos in one set but can't watch the others cause I need a premium ticket. I can't watch even those played long ago
GOM typically release very old seasons for free after a time. Not sure what they've released up to now, but yeah you have to premium to get the 'more recent' games as VODs
On October 17 2012 20:10 letian wrote: offtopic but does anyone know, how to watch videos on Gom with free account? I can watch first videos in one set but can't watch the others cause I need a premium ticket. I can't watch even those played long ago
GOM typically release very old seasons for free after a time. Not sure what they've released up to now, but yeah you have to premium to get the 'more recent' games as VODs
Pretty sure all the games from 2010 are free. Also, the world championship was completely free to begin with.
5.00 Terminator spawning as the red Protoss in the 11 o'clock position. Polt spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position.
Gateway on the way for Terminator. Polt once again walling off with Supply Depot, Barracks.
Probe from Terminator makes it in before wall is finished. Polt's SCV also scouting right direction.
CC goes down for Polt. Cybernetics Core finishing up for Terminator.
Polt once again blocking with an Engineering Bay.
Second gas taken by Terminator. Two more Barracks added on for Polt.
Warpgate tech about 2/3 done. Polt taking double gas.
Engineering Bay is cancelled, Nexus placed down. Two Bunkers at the front of Polt's base.
2 more Gateways added on for Terminator, along with a RObo. Tech lab added on for Polt.
10.00 Stim started for Polt. Forge started by Terminator as warpgate tech finishes.
Polt placing down a Factory, +1 armor started for Terminator. 34/34 workers.
Engineering Bay is up for Polt, adds on a Starport. Twilight COuncil started by Terminator.
Polt moves out, dodges the Observer from Terminator. 2 Barracks and another gas added on for Polt.
Polt starts pushing up the natural ramp of Terminator, takes out a Zealot and baits two Forcefields. Polt pushes again as stim finishes, a handful marines taken out, but two Sentries fall. As the forcefields go down, Polt pushes up and kills all the Stalkers and Sentries remaining!
Another CC and +1 attack for Polt. Charge started by Terminator along with +1 attack and 4 Gates.
15.00 Combat Shields and COncussive Shells from Polt. Templar Archives started by Terminator. Armory and Enigneering Bay started by Polt along with 3 Barracks.
Polt starting +1 armor. High Templars morphed into Archon.
Polt pushes up a bit as Charge finish. The Zealots run in, nice stutter step from Polt, Terminator ends up pulling back. +2 attack started for Polt, along with Ghost Academy.
Storm started by Terminator as he gets a third. Another gate and +2 armor for Terminator.
Moebius Reactor started for Polt. Polt throwing up some Turrets and getting another Starport.
Polt stims in and shoots a couple of the Zealots of Terminator without taking any damage. Polt looking to take a fourth, small Zealot taskforce trying to go for some harass, but no damge is done.
On October 17 2012 20:10 letian wrote: offtopic but does anyone know, how to watch videos on Gom with free account? I can watch first videos in one set but can't watch the others cause I need a premium ticket. I can't watch even those played long ago
GOM typically release very old seasons for free after a time. Not sure what they've released up to now, but yeah you have to premium to get the 'more recent' games as VODs
Pretty sure all the games from 2010 are free. Also, the world championship was completely free to begin with.
Ah I thought they released some 2011 stuff for free also, or was that just a short celebration thing?
On October 17 2012 20:10 letian wrote: offtopic but does anyone know, how to watch videos on Gom with free account? I can watch first videos in one set but can't watch the others cause I need a premium ticket. I can't watch even those played long ago
5.00 Terminator spawning as the red Protoss in the 11 o'clock position. Polt spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position.
Gateway on the way for Terminator. Polt once again walling off with Supply Depot, Barracks.
Probe from Terminator makes it in before wall is finished. Polt's SCV also scouting right direction.
CC goes down for Polt. Cybernetics Core finishing up for Terminator.
Polt once again blocking with an Engineering Bay.
Second gas taken by Terminator. Two more Barracks added on for Polt.
Warpgate tech about 2/3 done. Polt taking double gas.
Engineering Bay is cancelled, Nexus placed down. Two Bunkers at the front of Polt's base.
2 more Gateways added on for Terminator, along with a RObo. Tech lab added on for Polt.
10.00 Stim started for Polt. Forge started by Terminator as warpgate tech finishes.
Polt placing down a Factory, +1 armor started for Terminator. 34/34 workers.
Engineering Bay is up for Polt, adds on a Starport. Twilight COuncil started by Terminator.
Polt moves out, dodges the Observer from Terminator. 2 Barracks and another gas added on for Polt.
Polt starts pushing up the natural ramp of Terminator, takes out a Zealot and baits two Forcefields. Polt pushes again as stim finishes, a handful marines taken out, but two Sentries fall. As the forcefields go down, Polt pushes up and kills all the Stalkers and Sentries remaining!
Another CC and +1 attack for Polt. Charge started by Terminator along with +1 attack and 4 Gates.
15.00 Combat Shields and COncussive Shells from Polt. Templar Archives started by Terminator. Armory and Enigneering Bay started by Polt along with 3 Barracks.
Polt starting +1 armor. High Templars morphed into Archon.
Polt pushes up a bit as Charge finish. The Zealots run in, nice stutter step from Polt, Terminator ends up pulling back. +2 attack started for Polt, along with Ghost Academy.
Storm started by Terminator as he gets a third. Another gate and +2 armor for Terminator.
Moebius Reactor started for Polt. Polt throwing up some Turrets and getting another Starport.
Polt stims in and shoots a couple of the Zealots of Terminator without taking any damage. Polt looking to take a fourth, small Zealot taskforce trying to go for some harass, but no damge is done.
20.00 Polt pushes in again as his Ghosts arrive, amazing EMps hit the sentries, archons and High Templars. Polt chases the retreating army of Terminator. Pushes up the natural ramp, two storms do go down but there are just too many Medivacs.
The army of Terminator is killed off without any big problems, Probes are pulled and gg is called!
On October 17 2012 20:21 X3GoldDot wrote: rofl no micro whatsoever but still wins cause his the polt man
He microed really well early, focus-firing sentries and getting the most out of his MM. At the end he a-moved after landing his EMPs just to show how far ahead he was.
On October 17 2012 20:22 GumBa wrote: Polt dominating and not giving a fuck about dem storms! Back In Code S where Polt belongs
Storms don't do much if all your zealots are dead already since the medivacs can heal up the bio. It is the storm + zealot/stalker dps which just kills bio before they can be healed.
So out of the 20 people qualified for code S before seeds and up and downs, we have six protoss, seven terrans and six zerg, plus another protoss or terran from tomorrow (where there will be only one non-mirror match).
On October 17 2012 20:22 GumBa wrote: Polt dominating and not giving a fuck about dem storms! Back In Code S where Polt belongs
Polt did exactly what he needed to do, let his army do maximum dps and let the medivacs heal to power down the Protoss army before the momentum shifted back into Terminator's favor, good Terran players know when to not over micro.
Wow. All tosses have lost so far. That's interesting. Only in GomTV apparently. Anyway, I wonder if DRG is ready for a ZvZ. Somehow, I feel as if he's gonna come in underestimating Roro.
On October 17 2012 20:22 GumBa wrote: Polt dominating and not giving a fuck about dem storms! Back In Code S where Polt belongs
Polt did exactly what he needed to do, let his army do maximum dps and let the medivacs heal to power down the Protoss army before the momentum shifted back into Terminator's favor, good Terran players know when to not over micro.
I dunno if you can argue that standing in storms is ever the best decision.
On October 17 2012 20:22 GumBa wrote: Polt dominating and not giving a fuck about dem storms! Back In Code S where Polt belongs
Polt did exactly what he needed to do, let his army do maximum dps and let the medivacs heal to power down the Protoss army before the momentum shifted back into Terminator's favor, good Terran players know when to not over micro.
This. I don't think Polt was showboating at all. That medivac support was enough to negate the damage done by the storms. He had to maintain the dps.
On October 17 2012 20:29 silent_owl wrote: Man, Mini just played badly. Not hating on Curious (he's a good player) but Mini just seemed to be throwing Curious a bone.
Quite a few series in Code A has been like that so far. Even the Bbyong vs Heart game yesterday, it felt more like Heart derping than BByong being impressive. Especially the 3rd game where they just donated units all over the place.
Well these fights look pretty stupid. It looks like low-level LoL fights where everyone is just casting spells and hopes that he wins. Huge clusterfuck and one of 2 players lost.
On October 17 2012 21:00 kratos-23 wrote: infestor is a stupid unit. a caster unit should not be massed like this.
My issue is more with IT. You don't know if you're fighting a 200 supply army or a 300 at times. And then in ZvZ is just a bunch of really brown things shooting green eggs.
I have a feeling that DRG might be screwed from here, I just think he might be crushed mentally after that one some a strange game. also maybe stronger team colors isn't so bad helps with those damn Ling fights and infestor smashing against each other fights
On October 17 2012 21:03 Hall0wed wrote: I blame infestors entirely for the recent decrease in how much I enjoy SC2.
They are everything that ghosts were vs Zerg. Ghosts got nerfed because they didn't want T to be able to use one unit to handle different late game options. Then a few months down the line Infestors are used to handle everything in every match up.
On October 17 2012 21:03 Hall0wed wrote: I blame infestors entirely for the recent decrease in how much I enjoy SC2.
They are everything that ghosts were vs Zerg. Ghosts got nerfed because they didn't want T to be able to use one unit to handle different late game options. Then a few months down the line Infestors are used to handle everything in every match up.
Yeah that is too true. I think I remember hating ghosts too back then but the current infestor domination makes me really miss them a lot. ;;
On October 17 2012 21:03 Hall0wed wrote: I blame infestors entirely for the recent decrease in how much I enjoy SC2.
Yes. Infestors, spine crawlers and brood lords. All these things are really really poorly designed and combined they ruin all the fun.
I went from liking zerg the most to hating most things that its involved with in a relatively short span of time. T_T
I agree. I used to offrace as zerg for fun (I play protoss) and I used to LOVE PvZ because of how multitasking heavy the lategame was. Now when I play zerg, I don't even go to hive and I absolutely despise PvZ.
On October 17 2012 21:03 Hall0wed wrote: I blame infestors entirely for the recent decrease in how much I enjoy SC2.
They are everything that ghosts were vs Zerg. Ghosts got nerfed because they didn't want T to be able to use one unit to handle different late game options. Then a few months down the line Infestors are used to handle everything in every match up.
Ghosts were nerfed because Snipe destroyed Zerg T3 instantly, not because they could handle everything.
On October 17 2012 21:03 Hall0wed wrote: I blame infestors entirely for the recent decrease in how much I enjoy SC2.
They are everything that ghosts were vs Zerg. Ghosts got nerfed because they didn't want T to be able to use one unit to handle different late game options. Then a few months down the line Infestors are used to handle everything in every match up.
Unfortunately Blizzard is left with no easy solution surrounding infestors, because it's their "cheat" to make this game balanced. Without the versatility infestors provide Zerg cannot hope to beat Protoss.
µRoro unleash all his infested terrans very quickly and at once, that's how he wins those battles. DRG spawns less IT and more spaced in time, so when the megamass IT of Roro is spawned, everything just insta die and DRG's µIT are useless.
On October 17 2012 21:24 Waxangel wrote: DRG really needs to use his mana, at least fucking fungal if you're not gonna infested
+ he does his infested terrans in big balls which stop his roaches from engaging and make them easily fungal'able, making them 10x less energy efficient. If he had better infestor control he would have crushed both games
I think DRGs infestors got fungalled while trying to run forward to drop terrans. Thus they sit there doing nothing for the crucial beginning of the battle.
When DRG was up 2 bases he should just have pushed non stop and just chocked Roro with superior econ and unit production, no idea why he waited so long ><
DRG was not able to use his infestors as well as Roro did. He had allways tons of energy on his infestors in the battle he lost while they sat there, doing nothing. his infestor control was not on point, he just didn't spend the energy he had build up, and then he lost... :o
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
to me pvp is much worse than zvz, infestors make it hard to watch but doesnt make it less boring.
Not saying that PvP is much better but at least there's more micro and variety early/midgame. And colossus wars are much more positional. Not even gonna mention that sometimes you see brood lords vs brood lords.
And the fact that you can never attack into the other player if he has spines & infestors.
When are up&downs? roro played epic for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if DRG just committed 190% to practicing for OSL PvZ finals and came into this match cold, hoping to bust out of the U&D if he failed here.
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
to me pvp is much worse than zvz, infestors make it hard to watch but doesnt make it less boring.
The one-two base section of ZvZ is definitely better than PvP. The lategame is basically the same as far as levels of enjoyment. Collosus shoot lasers. Eggs get spawned. The audience just raises an eyebrow and waits for the dust to settle because you can't see a thing.
Code S Season 5 (so far): Mvp Life TaeJa Rain HerO Symbol Leenock Marineking Vampire Polt RorO Maru Curious Squirtle Bbyong Creator
Up and Down matches (so far): Shine Terminator Ryung DRG PartinG YoDa HyuN asd JYP Flash Mini MMA KeeN finale Hack Genius Heart MC ByuN aLive Sparta Bomber SuperNova BBoongBBoong
On October 17 2012 21:30 mikedebo wrote: When are up&downs? roro played epic for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if DRG just committed 190% to practicing for OSL PvZ finals and came into this match cold, hoping to bust out of the U&D if he failed here.
You don't really prepare that much for ZvZ for sure not when you already are a veteran of Korean ZvZ.
On October 17 2012 21:31 silent_owl wrote: Aww man, The finals are on SATURDAY!? I mean, REALLY!? Always the day I have to be out.
I think the reason its always on Saturday is because then most people can watch it live, EU people don't have to work/go to school, and I'm not sure about NA but I think its in the middle of the night?
Either way, this way it ensures that the most people can watch it live.
On October 17 2012 21:32 Shellshock1122 wrote: Code S Season 5 (so far): Mvp Life TaeJa Rain HerO Symbol Leenock Marineking Vampire Polt RorO Maru Curious Squirtle Bbyong Creator
Up and Down matches (so far): Shine Terminator Ryung DRG PartinG YoDa HyuN asd JYP Flash Mini MMA KeeN finale Hack Genius Heart MC ByuN aLive Sparta Bomber SuperNova BBoongBBoong
I hope Flash makes it in. Man, these Up & Downs are gonna be brutal.
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
I thought it was fun, maybe I should actually start showing it in these threads so it's not only people bitching about shit they know nothing about
Thanks for understanding that if I think something's not fun, I automatically know nothing about it. I understand how well Roro played and he deserved to win for sure. The game mechanics are just not fun to watch in some matchups. I guess that means I don't know anything about the game. Logic man.
On October 17 2012 21:32 Shellshock1122 wrote: Code S Season 5 (so far): Mvp Life TaeJa Rain HerO Symbol Leenock Marineking Vampire Polt RorO Maru Curious Squirtle Bbyong Creator
Up and Down matches (so far): Shine Terminator Ryung DRG PartinG YoDa HyuN asd JYP Flash Mini MMA KeeN finale Hack Genius Heart MC ByuN aLive Sparta Bomber SuperNova BBoongBBoong
I'm predicting a group with - DRG, MMA, MC, SuperNova and Flash
On October 17 2012 21:31 silent_owl wrote: Aww man, The finals are on SATURDAY!? I mean, REALLY!? Always the day I have to be out.
I think the reason its always on Saturday is because then most people can watch it live, EU people don't have to work/go to school, and I'm not sure about NA but I think its in the middle of the night?
Either way, this way it ensures that the most people can watch it live.
Yeah, I understand. I'm just a little frustrated because I'm gonna be home the entire week EXCEPT Saturday. Lol.
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
I thought it was fun, maybe I should actually start showing it in these threads so it's not only people bitching about shit they know nothing about
Positionally, it might have been intriguing. But the indistinguishable spamming of eggs just makes it unwatchable since we can't really tell how the battles are proceeding. That is assuming there's tactical egg throwing differences that could be seen in the first place.
I knew we would hit this point some day, threads have more posts complaining about disliking the game than anything else. It's not anyone's fault either, because they are legitimate complaints.
On October 17 2012 21:31 silent_owl wrote: Aww man, The finals are on SATURDAY!? I mean, REALLY!? Always the day I have to be out.
I think the reason its always on Saturday is because then most people can watch it live, EU people don't have to work/go to school, and I'm not sure about NA but I think its in the middle of the night?
Either way, this way it ensures that the most people can watch it live.
Yeah, I understand. I'm just a little frustrated because I'm gonna be home the entire week EXCEPT Saturday. Lol.
Hope Mvp takes it though.
Mvp will win, there is 2 curses playing against Life atm.
1st - He is from Startale, they have I believe 12 or 13 second places by now. 2nd - He has been dominant throughout the season, all the really dominant players who reached the finals always lost this year, Genius, Squirtle and MC.
On October 17 2012 21:35 Dodgin wrote: I knew we would hit this point some day, threads have more posts complaining about disliking the game than anything else. It's not anyone's fault either, because they are legitimate complaints.
HOTS needs to come, soon.
It's a little sad, I feel depressed missing BW in its heyday. I'm hoping Blizzard ups its game for HOTS.
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
I thought it was fun, maybe I should actually start showing it in these threads so it's not only people bitching about shit they know nothing about
Yeah, I thought the games were fun too.
I would find them more fun if they were more watchable.
The early micro wars are great, and I don't mind the positional games when Roro is turtling...but when engagements are blobs of green coating everything and a ton of barely distinguishable units firing back and forth against each other (especially when on creep) you can't even tell what the fuck is happening half the time until after someone has won/lost the engagement.
On October 17 2012 21:35 Dodgin wrote: I knew we would hit this point some day, threads have more posts complaining about disliking the game than anything else. It's not anyone's fault either, because they are legitimate complaints.
HOTS needs to come, soon.
It is getting kinda dull.. but for I actually didn't tab out of the Maru vs JYP or DRG vs RorO series once, which means alot, since useally I just tab in and out of the stream.
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
I thought it was fun, maybe I should actually start showing it in these threads so it's not only people bitching about shit they know nothing about
Yeah, I thought the games were fun too.
I would find them more fun if they were more watchable.
The early micro wars are great, and I don't mind the positional games when Roro is turtling...but when engagements are blobs of green coating everything and a ton of barely distinguishable units firing back and forth against each other (especially when on creep) you can't even tell what the fuck is happening half the time until after someone has won/lost the engagement.
Actually, I found myself laughing after seeing just these ambiguous blobs of green turn into wins for Roro. I did not understand how that was going on. LOL!
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
I thought it was fun, maybe I should actually start showing it in these threads so it's not only people bitching about shit they know nothing about
Yeah, I thought the games were fun too.
I would find them more fun if they were more watchable.
The early micro wars are great, and I don't mind the positional games when Roro is turtling...but when engagements are blobs of green coating everything and a ton of barely distinguishable units firing back and forth against each other (especially when on creep) you can't even tell what the fuck is happening half the time until after someone has won/lost the engagement.
I agree 100%, I had to watch the supply count to figure out who was winning, although by the end I just guessed RorO since he won pretty much every engagement of the series.
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
I thought it was fun, maybe I should actually start showing it in these threads so it's not only people bitching about shit they know nothing about
Positionally, it might have been intriguing. But the indistinguishable spamming of eggs just makes it unwatchable since we can't really tell how the battles are proceeding. That is assuming there's tactical egg throwing differences that could be seen in the first place.
ZvZ can be one of the most interesting match ups in starcraft or completele boredom. It depends on player's decision making. You can play totally mind fuck zvz game and get away with it unlike any other ZvX match up. It is the only match up that zerg can utilize their early game prowess or use certain mind tricks that generally does not work 90% of time in other match ups (the macro openings in ZvP and ZvT, make it more stagnated, so less non-standard play is allowed).
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
I thought it was fun, maybe I should actually start showing it in these threads so it's not only people bitching about shit they know nothing about
Yeah, I thought the games were fun too.
I would find them more fun if they were more watchable.
The early micro wars are great, and I don't mind the positional games when Roro is turtling...but when engagements are blobs of green coating everything and a ton of barely distinguishable units firing back and forth against each other (especially when on creep) you can't even tell what the fuck is happening half the time until after someone has won/lost the engagement.
On October 17 2012 21:35 Dodgin wrote: I knew we would hit this point some day, threads have more posts complaining about disliking the game than anything else. It's not anyone's fault either, because they are legitimate complaints.
HOTS needs to come, soon.
Couldn't agree more. I really liked what Nony said about the difference between Brood War and SC2. He said that units in BW were ridiculously overpowered but it was balanced because every race had super overpowered stuff. SC2 is absolutely lacking that. The design of infestors makes every attack a commitment and that's just a horrible idea in general. I'm not a fan of forcefield and even concussive shells for that reason. You should be able to pull back when you think a battle is not going your way. Currently? You just won't attack into infestors until you're 100% sure you'll win the fight.
On October 17 2012 21:28 Waxangel wrote: DRG CONSTANTLY failed to cast even 50% the number of Roro's infesteds, despite having similar mana
No it wasn't that. DRG's infesters pumped as many balls as Roro's, sometimes more, but the deciding factor in both games was that position of Roro's hydras was much better and Roro was winning in upgrade battle.
On October 17 2012 21:32 Shellshock1122 wrote: Code S Season 5 (so far): Mvp Life TaeJa Rain HerO Symbol Leenock Marineking Vampire Polt RorO Maru Curious Squirtle Bbyong Creator
Up and Down matches (so far): Shine Terminator Ryung DRG PartinG YoDa HyuN asd JYP Flash Mini MMA KeeN finale Hack Genius Heart MC ByuN aLive Sparta Bomber SuperNova BBoongBBoong
So freaking stack up and down, almost everyone could get code S
On October 17 2012 21:45 polishedturd wrote: this devolved into such a shit thread
so is this was lr has come to? couple of retarded amateur game designers jerking each other off about how shit they think star2 is...jesus christ
fuck this noise
Yes. Thanks for your great arguments.
you know what? fuck you. every time i come to a lr thread to talk about games lately there is a jerkoff like you bitching about the game, and i'm fucking tired of it. if you want to circlejerk about how much you hate starcraft 2 go do it in a fucking blog or something, not in the fucking lr threads where we are trying to enjoy the game
On October 17 2012 21:45 polishedturd wrote: this devolved into such a shit thread
so is this was lr has come to? couple of retarded amateur game designers jerking each other off about how shit they think star2 is...jesus christ
fuck this noise
Yes. Thanks for your great arguments.
you know what? fuck you. every time i come to a lr thread to talk about games lately there is a jerkoff like you bitching about the game, and i'm fucking tired of it. if you want to circlejerk about how much you hate starcraft 2 go do it in a fucking blog or something, not in the fucking lr threads where we are trying to enjoy the game
Thanks for your constructive criticism. I do however not care about what you want or don't want so I'm just not gonna change at all. I think the game is awesome. But I also think it could be a LOT better if blizzard were to consider changing things up. If a game wasn't fun to watch in my opinion, I'm gonna say that it wasn't fun in my opinion. What's wrong with that? Not like I force my opinion on anybody. If you wanna discuss, I'm happy to do so. If not, move along.
On October 17 2012 21:45 polishedturd wrote: this devolved into such a shit thread
so is this was lr has come to? couple of retarded amateur game designers jerking each other off about how shit they think star2 is...jesus christ
fuck this noise
Yes. Thanks for your great arguments.
you know what? fuck you. every time i come to a lr thread to talk about games lately there is a jerkoff like you bitching about the game, and i'm fucking tired of it. if you want to circlejerk about how much you hate starcraft 2 go do it in a fucking blog or something, not in the fucking lr threads where we are trying to enjoy the game
Strangely I see that half of your recent posts seem to be cussing on people expressing dissatisfaction on something happening in the game.
Guess what, people here want to love SC2, sometimes things here gets us fustrated, and with good reason to. You aren't the only opinion in the world.
On October 17 2012 21:54 Zealously wrote: Wait, 4 2-0's? Were the games stomps, or closer than you'd think?
First 3 series no good, but last series is epic.
What he means to say is that the first series was epic, but still clearly a whitewash. Second and third were white washes. Fourth a Kespa player won. Was just frustrating to watch as a DRG fan. Probably ok to watch as a Roro fan. So I only recommend it if you like roaches and infestors.
Yessssssssss polt fighting! Glad to see esf players stepping up. Poor drg but maybe he's more focused on his osl final and figured he could make it out of up downs.
I don't really see how the OSL would've affected DRG like many of you say. He didn't lose against prepared strategies, but rather got owned every engagement despite having better army composition most of the time. Which is kind of weird, since you'd expect the newer Kespa players to be better at early game/micro but worse late-game management where they lack experience. It just seemed like Roro was winning all the clashes when conventional wisdom would suggest he'd lose them.
Anyway, great that Polt made it and overall all the protosses lost. Got sick of PvPs after WCS Asia. And Roro's 6-0 stomp through Code A makes it clear he should've been Kespa's Code S seed last season instead of Jaedong.
On October 17 2012 21:45 polishedturd wrote: this devolved into such a shit thread
so is this was lr has come to? couple of retarded amateur game designers jerking each other off about how shit they think star2 is...jesus christ
fuck this noise
Yes. Thanks for your great arguments.
you know what? fuck you. every time i come to a lr thread to talk about games lately there is a jerkoff like you bitching about the game, and i'm fucking tired of it. if you want to circlejerk about how much you hate starcraft 2 go do it in a fucking blog or something, not in the fucking lr threads where we are trying to enjoy the game
Strangely I see that half of your recent posts seem to be cussing on people expressing dissatisfaction on something happening in the game.
Guess what, people here want to love SC2, sometimes things here gets us fustrated, and with good reason to. You aren't the only opinion in the world.
It's hard to objectively say that most LR threads aren't quite shitty.
On October 17 2012 21:45 polishedturd wrote: this devolved into such a shit thread
so is this was lr has come to? couple of retarded amateur game designers jerking each other off about how shit they think star2 is...jesus christ
fuck this noise
Yes. Thanks for your great arguments.
you know what? fuck you. every time i come to a lr thread to talk about games lately there is a jerkoff like you bitching about the game, and i'm fucking tired of it. if you want to circlejerk about how much you hate starcraft 2 go do it in a fucking blog or something, not in the fucking lr threads where we are trying to enjoy the game
Strangely I see that half of your recent posts seem to be cussing on people expressing dissatisfaction on something happening in the game.
Guess what, people here want to love SC2, sometimes things here gets us fustrated, and with good reason to. You aren't the only opinion in the world.
It's hard to objectively say that most LR threads aren't quite shitty.
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
I thought it was fun, maybe I should actually start showing it in these threads so it's not only people bitching about shit they know nothing about
Yeah, I thought the games were fun too.
I would find them more fun if they were more watchable.
The early micro wars are great, and I don't mind the positional games when Roro is turtling...but when engagements are blobs of green coating everything and a ton of barely distinguishable units firing back and forth against each other (especially when on creep) you can't even tell what the fuck is happening half the time until after someone has won/lost the engagement.
Actually, I found myself laughing after seeing just these ambiguous blobs of green turn into wins for Roro. I did not understand how that was going on. LOL!
On October 17 2012 21:45 polishedturd wrote: this devolved into such a shit thread
so is this was lr has come to? couple of retarded amateur game designers jerking each other off about how shit they think star2 is...jesus christ
fuck this noise
Yes. Thanks for your great arguments.
you know what? fuck you. every time i come to a lr thread to talk about games lately there is a jerkoff like you bitching about the game, and i'm fucking tired of it. if you want to circlejerk about how much you hate starcraft 2 go do it in a fucking blog or something, not in the fucking lr threads where we are trying to enjoy the game
Btw.
Manuel Schenkhuizen @followgrubby In-client stream needed. + SwarmHost = burrowed Broodlord = mass micro denial units (infestor, BL, Swarmhost) = not good eSports. #SaveHotS
On October 17 2012 21:45 polishedturd wrote: this devolved into such a shit thread
so is this was lr has come to? couple of retarded amateur game designers jerking each other off about how shit they think star2 is...jesus christ
fuck this noise
Yes. Thanks for your great arguments.
you know what? fuck you. every time i come to a lr thread to talk about games lately there is a jerkoff like you bitching about the game, and i'm fucking tired of it. if you want to circlejerk about how much you hate starcraft 2 go do it in a fucking blog or something, not in the fucking lr threads where we are trying to enjoy the game
Manuel Schenkhuizen @followgrubby In-client stream needed. + SwarmHost = burrowed Broodlord = mass micro denial units (infestor, BL, Swarmhost) = not good eSports. #SaveHotS
So I guess fuck Grubby too?
That's a direct quote from the LR thread! /end sarcasm.
On October 17 2012 21:45 polishedturd wrote: this devolved into such a shit thread
so is this was lr has come to? couple of retarded amateur game designers jerking each other off about how shit they think star2 is...jesus christ
fuck this noise
Yes. Thanks for your great arguments.
you know what? fuck you. every time i come to a lr thread to talk about games lately there is a jerkoff like you bitching about the game, and i'm fucking tired of it. if you want to circlejerk about how much you hate starcraft 2 go do it in a fucking blog or something, not in the fucking lr threads where we are trying to enjoy the game
Btw.
Manuel Schenkhuizen @followgrubby In-client stream needed. + SwarmHost = burrowed Broodlord = mass micro denial units (infestor, BL, Swarmhost) = not good eSports. #SaveHotS
So I guess fuck Grubby too?
That's a direct quote from the LR thread! /end sarcasm.
It does matter, when you start bitching about game design and all that bullshit in lr threads it just ignites a pointless circlejerk that helps nobody and just annoys everyone who either disagree with you or just want to discuss the games. If you want to vent your opinions you should do it in a place that doesn't make you piss off other people, ie. a personal blog
LR threads used to be fun, then the balance whiners came along and then the game design whiners came afterwards and just shat on everything, no wonder you don't find the game fun when you spend the whole duration of a code A broadcast jerking off about how much you hate everything. It's the equivalent of me going to a football game and spending the whole time yelling to people next to me how stupid the rules are and how shit the game is to watch, nobody would fucking do that, so why are you doing it now
On October 17 2012 21:45 polishedturd wrote: this devolved into such a shit thread
so is this was lr has come to? couple of retarded amateur game designers jerking each other off about how shit they think star2 is...jesus christ
fuck this noise
Yes. Thanks for your great arguments.
you know what? fuck you. every time i come to a lr thread to talk about games lately there is a jerkoff like you bitching about the game, and i'm fucking tired of it. if you want to circlejerk about how much you hate starcraft 2 go do it in a fucking blog or something, not in the fucking lr threads where we are trying to enjoy the game
Btw.
Manuel Schenkhuizen @followgrubby In-client stream needed. + SwarmHost = burrowed Broodlord = mass micro denial units (infestor, BL, Swarmhost) = not good eSports. #SaveHotS
So I guess fuck Grubby too?
That's a direct quote from the LR thread! /end sarcasm.
Also, Flash and a majority of the Kespa league players seem to lack a great deal of experience. Flash kept using the same build vs Protoss on Ohana during this invitational which clearly shows that he hasn't quite got a grasp on every map against every match up. Also, I will keep that bolded quote documented; that way when Flash "eventually" wins code S, I will be there to rub your that statement in your face.
On October 17 2012 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: And people complain about PvP...
hey why not stop shitting up the thread if your not enjoying the games
Thanks for that.
This game was not fun. Why? Because of infestors. That's why.
I thought it was fun, maybe I should actually start showing it in these threads so it's not only people bitching about shit they know nothing about
Positionally, it might have been intriguing. But the indistinguishable spamming of eggs just makes it unwatchable since we can't really tell how the battles are proceeding. That is assuming there's tactical egg throwing differences that could be seen in the first place.
I tend to agree with you here, I have no idea of seing who did the better engagement without looking at the supply numbers. RoRo obviously knows how to engage maxed armies, slaughtering DRG twice, so there probably is some finer points that DRG is missing.
On October 17 2012 21:45 polishedturd wrote: this devolved into such a shit thread
so is this was lr has come to? couple of retarded amateur game designers jerking each other off about how shit they think star2 is...jesus christ
fuck this noise
Yes. Thanks for your great arguments.
you know what? fuck you. every time i come to a lr thread to talk about games lately there is a jerkoff like you bitching about the game, and i'm fucking tired of it. if you want to circlejerk about how much you hate starcraft 2 go do it in a fucking blog or something, not in the fucking lr threads where we are trying to enjoy the game
Btw.
Manuel Schenkhuizen @followgrubby In-client stream needed. + SwarmHost = burrowed Broodlord = mass micro denial units (infestor, BL, Swarmhost) = not good eSports. #SaveHotS
So I guess fuck Grubby too?
That's a direct quote from the LR thread! /end sarcasm.
Like it matters where it's posted.
Just a question: Did you actually not find those ZvZs entertaining because I was very engaged through both games. Non stop action and very high level play from both players. Maybe it is just taste but I like exciting games as opposed to long games where both player sit in their base for thirty minutes (any matchup with Protoss).
On October 17 2012 15:05 Fionn wrote: Three of the strongest ESF players who fell from Code S vs. Three of the strongest KeSPA players trying to get into Code S.
in exactly what way are these three of the strongest kespa?
i like the subtle edit after you realized how retarded your original statement was
zerg is true, toss is true, after flash catch up, terran is true also.
Its funny because Kespa has 1 good Toss and 1 good Zerg and that somehow makes them better then the many good ESF Toss and Zerg players.
also Flash is looking very unimpressive and will probably never get deep into code S
The greatest RTS player of all time will probably never get deep into code S. Good prediction there.
the greatest rts player of all time is by definition the most skilled gamer of all time because no esport has ever been close to the level that sc1 was played at
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