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In the first round of the playoffs, the second place finisher will play against the third place finisher in the other group. The matches are bo3 in the first round and bo5 from there on.
6 player single-elimination playoffs (group winners advance directly to semi-finals)
Map pool
TheGD Daybreak (6x1 middle base)
TheGD Antiga Shipyard (No gold bases, forced cross-spawns)
TheGD Entombed Valley (Horizontal spawns disabled)
TheGD Cloud Kingdom
TheGD Ohana
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They are all good guys so it's not easy to choose a winner to cheer for. Thorzain has won tournaments before and is on a team that pays well, so he may step aside. :p
Good matches upcoming, possible rematch from TSL3 semifinals with Kas and ThorZaIN.. and hopefully TLO can keep up his awesome run from yesterday, although LucifroN might be tough to handle.
Good morning everyone! Let's get this party started...
James hosting! Semmler being Semmler! Apollo birthdaying! Nightend speaking! Kas smiling! Elfi surprising! Lucifron fighting! Thorzain spooning! TLO winning!
On October 14 2012 20:36 Takuna wrote: Good morning everyone! Let's get this party started...
James hosting! Semmler being Semmler! Apollo birthdaying! Nightend speaking! Kas smiling! Elfi surprising! Lucifron fighting! Thorzain spooning! TLO winning!
I feel like that was the most subtle semmler insult ever, bravo sir, bravo.
I'm a little split on the replay matter. One might say that you should study for a test beforehand and then play it out, not doing it in the midst of it. It's also time consuming. On the other hand it's up to the competitors and organizers and doesn't really matter to me as a spectator. :3
On October 14 2012 21:43 AlternativeEgo wrote: I'm a little split on the replay matter. One might say that you should study for a test beforehand and then play it out, not doing it in the midst of it. It's also time consuming. On the other hand it's up to the competitors and organizers and doesn't really matter to me as a spectator. :3
Give players between 5/10 min after each game could be a descent rule ?
On October 14 2012 21:43 AlternativeEgo wrote: I'm a little split on the replay matter. One might say that you should study for a test beforehand and then play it out, not doing it in the midst of it. It's also time consuming. On the other hand it's up to the competitors and organizers and doesn't really matter to me as a spectator. :3
Give players between 5/10 min after each game could be a descent rule ?
Not so sure about that one. Imagine a playoff bracket with bo3/5/7 where players took full advantage of it. Oboy. :D
On October 14 2012 21:43 AlternativeEgo wrote: I'm a little split on the replay matter. One might say that you should study for a test beforehand and then play it out, not doing it in the midst of it. It's also time consuming. On the other hand it's up to the competitors and organizers and doesn't really matter to me as a spectator. :3
Give players between 5/10 min after each game could be a descent rule ?
Not so sure about that one. Imagine a playoff bracket with bo3/5/7 where players took full advantage of it. Oboy. :D
It's a difficult choice no doubt i don't think you can go either way without good counter arguements.
On October 14 2012 21:43 AlternativeEgo wrote: I'm a little split on the replay matter. One might say that you should study for a test beforehand and then play it out, not doing it in the midst of it. It's also time consuming. On the other hand it's up to the competitors and organizers and doesn't really matter to me as a spectator. :3
Give players between 5/10 min after each game could be a descent rule ?
Not so sure about that one. Imagine a playoff bracket with bo3/5/7 where players took full advantage of it. Oboy. :D
It's a difficult choice no doubt i don't think you can go either way without good counter arguements.
That's true. Would be interesting to have it brought up and debated amongst several pro's. Too bad we don't have a place for that. An event like Valencia eSports Congress for players would be a wet dream.
On October 14 2012 21:43 AlternativeEgo wrote: I'm a little split on the replay matter. One might say that you should study for a test beforehand and then play it out, not doing it in the midst of it. It's also time consuming. On the other hand it's up to the competitors and organizers and doesn't really matter to me as a spectator. :3
Give players between 5/10 min after each game could be a descent rule ?
Not so sure about that one. Imagine a playoff bracket with bo3/5/7 where players took full advantage of it. Oboy. :D
It's a difficult choice no doubt i don't think you can go either way without good counter arguements.
That's true. Would be interesting to have it brought up and debated amongst several pro's. Too bad we don't have a place for that. An event like Valencia eSports Congress for players would be a wet dream.
You are right, this might be something we will see in the future i hope when gaming get's more professional. Possibly like current sports.
On October 14 2012 23:25 Daray wrote: Lucifron sleeping on the job
By far the worst play from a Terran i have seen in a long while from what is supposed to be a top level player. Lucifron looked slow , out of ideas and bad at mulitasking
Way to go elfi! Good job, although lucifron did not seem to have his best day. Then again, elfi played great, no mistakes barring a few storms in the first game!
I see a TLO - T-funk final. Thorzain played some very good SC yesterday but I don't think we can predict how it will go after the amazing show TLO put up. Gogo TL-EG rivalry.
On October 14 2012 23:55 Dr.Sin wrote: Did they... just flash a pic of 2gd good squeezing his nipples with his shirt open with a s&m ball in his mouth?
On October 15 2012 00:14 DownOnMyNiece wrote: 6:1 in the group stages for TLO?
That made me laugh out loud in indisguised joy. Could that be the most awesome comeback of all time?
Need to see how he does now to judge for sure. Group stages don't really mean much in the grand scheme of things - Many people who've won their groups have tanked the playoffs in the past.
On October 15 2012 00:41 tree.hugger wrote: Anyone want to do some live reporting? I can't watch atm...
CC 1st for Kas, proxy 2 rax for Tzain. Kas' bunker is super late. He finally manages to build it but Tzain kills a lot of scvs. its 25 vs 15 supply in favor of Thorzain.
On October 15 2012 00:41 tree.hugger wrote: Anyone want to do some live reporting? I can't watch atm...
CC 1st for Kas, proxy 2 rax for Tzain. Kas' bunker is super late. He finally manages to build it but Tzain kills a lot of scvs. its 25 vs 15 supply in favor of Thorzain.
Thorzain thinks he can ride the advantage and pulls scv's, but he loses every marine. Kas catches up in supply fast because of his 2nd cc. Thorzain builds his cc but Kas has an 5-6 scv advantage
On October 15 2012 00:41 tree.hugger wrote: Anyone want to do some live reporting? I can't watch atm...
CC 1st for Kas, proxy 2 rax for Tzain. Kas' bunker is super late. He finally manages to build it but Tzain kills a lot of scvs. its 25 vs 15 supply in favor of Thorzain.
Thorzain thinks he can ride the advantage and pulls scv's, but he loses every marine. Kas catches up in supply fast because of his 2nd cc. Thorzain builds his cc but Kas has an 5-6 scv advantage
11.00 Both players researching stim, Kas making a super early 3rd and sacrificing his advantage on Tzains bunker. game is very even now. 1-1 on the way for both players, Tzain making a reactored starport
On October 15 2012 01:11 Zambrah wrote: Wow Kas, pausing in the middle of that without any indication? Thats a little rude. Doesn't that get you a warning in the GSL?
On October 15 2012 00:41 tree.hugger wrote: Anyone want to do some live reporting? I can't watch atm...
CC 1st for Kas, proxy 2 rax for Tzain. Kas' bunker is super late. He finally manages to build it but Tzain kills a lot of scvs. its 25 vs 15 supply in favor of Thorzain.
Thorzain thinks he can ride the advantage and pulls scv's, but he loses every marine. Kas catches up in supply fast because of his 2nd cc. Thorzain builds his cc but Kas has an 5-6 scv advantage
11.00 Both players researching stim, Kas making a super early 3rd and sacrificing his advantage on Tzains bunker. game is very even now. 1-1 on the way for both players, Tzain making a reactored starport
Thorzain making a 3rd at 13.00 and making tanks, preparing a double drop on Kas' 3rd. Kas is out of position and loses his cc , Tzain is 20 supply up now. Kas making 2 ccs. Kas is not wary and walks into 3 siege tanks and loses the majority of his army. Thorzain has a huge tank advantage and making 2 extra factories. Thorzain being annoying with a drop killing some scvs
On October 15 2012 00:41 tree.hugger wrote: Anyone want to do some live reporting? I can't watch atm...
CC 1st for Kas, proxy 2 rax for Tzain. Kas' bunker is super late. He finally manages to build it but Tzain kills a lot of scvs. its 25 vs 15 supply in favor of Thorzain.
Thorzain thinks he can ride the advantage and pulls scv's, but he loses every marine. Kas catches up in supply fast because of his 2nd cc. Thorzain builds his cc but Kas has an 5-6 scv advantage
11.00 Both players researching stim, Kas making a super early 3rd and sacrificing his advantage on Tzains bunker. game is very even now. 1-1 on the way for both players, Tzain making a reactored starport
Thorzain making a 3rd at 13.00 and making tanks, preparing a double drop on Kas' 3rd. Kas is out of position and loses his cc , Tzain is 20 supply up now. Kas making 2 ccs. Kas is not wary and walks into 3 siege tanks and loses the majority of his army. Thorzain has a huge tank advantage and making 2 extra factories. Thorzain being annoying with a drop killing some scvs
19.00 They're having their tanks sieged up before Kas' base, noone can engage in the other. Supply difference is still 20. Thorzain finally manages to power through the most of kas' army with a good stim forward. Thorzain has a 70 supply advantage
On October 15 2012 00:41 tree.hugger wrote: Anyone want to do some live reporting? I can't watch atm...
CC 1st for Kas, proxy 2 rax for Tzain. Kas' bunker is super late. He finally manages to build it but Tzain kills a lot of scvs. its 25 vs 15 supply in favor of Thorzain.
Thorzain thinks he can ride the advantage and pulls scv's, but he loses every marine. Kas catches up in supply fast because of his 2nd cc. Thorzain builds his cc but Kas has an 5-6 scv advantage
11.00 Both players researching stim, Kas making a super early 3rd and sacrificing his advantage on Tzains bunker. game is very even now. 1-1 on the way for both players, Tzain making a reactored starport
Thorzain making a 3rd at 13.00 and making tanks, preparing a double drop on Kas' 3rd. Kas is out of position and loses his cc , Tzain is 20 supply up now. Kas making 2 ccs. Kas is not wary and walks into 3 siege tanks and loses the majority of his army. Thorzain has a huge tank advantage and making 2 extra factories. Thorzain being annoying with a drop killing some scvs
19.00 They're having their tanks sieged up before Kas' base, noone can engage in the other. Supply difference is still 20. Thorzain finally manages to power through the most of kas' army with a good stim forward. Thorzain has a 70 supply advantage
22.00 Thorzain sieges up Kas' base with double supply, Kas is forced to gg
Nice to see Thorzain doing well again. It isn't the biggest result to get at least second place here, but his results recently (at least from what I have seen) have been pretty poor.
I think TLO would win the super-late game just because Elfi seems prone to making mistakes with his mothership. But I actually except to see all-ins and other nonstandard shorter games here.
On October 15 2012 01:27 Black Gun wrote: plz give us thorzain vs tlo for the finals.
go tlo, elfi should be no match for you!
You have to remember that elfis PvZ is his best matchup atm. Its going to be really even i think.
TLO rolled over him yesterday though.
Yesterday was not exactly elfi´s best day. He defeated viOLet at Dreamhack, so he should be a threat to TLO as well. But predicting an elfi- or a TLO-series is hard enough, when both collide, I am not even trying it.
On October 15 2012 01:37 Greenei wrote: tlo is bossmode right now and elfi kinda lucks his way through the tourney. no question - tlo 3:1 elfi
I don't know if we've been watching the same Elfi.
His drop defense was really really really good vs Lucifron, and didn't even have blink. He seemed to know how to hit killer timings, and yeah why I would definitely agree with someone saying that his biggest weakness is lategame, saying that he lucked his way through this tournament is a real discredit to someone who works for this game.
On October 15 2012 01:37 Greenei wrote: tlo is bossmode right now and elfi kinda lucks his way through the tourney. no question - tlo 3:1 elfi
I don't know if we've been watching the same Elfi.
His drop defense was really really really good vs Lucifron, and didn't even have blink. He seemed to know how to hit killer timings, and yeah why I would definitely agree with someone saying that his biggest weakness is lategame, saying that he lucked his way through this tournament is a real discredit to someone who works for this game.
So true. Very impressed he manage to 2-0 Lucifron not many can manage that these days
Hey, Elfi beat Violet at Dreamhack and took 2 games in a row off of fricken Life at TSL 4 (Life took 2nd at that tourney, it was after his coming out GSTL performance and part of Life's wrecking ball streak), I think he's got a shot at least. TLO is playing good, but Elfi is a jedi master who defies all predictions.
On October 15 2012 01:49 Topin wrote: if TLO plays likeyesterday he should win, but sometimes his "crazy" strats just backfire and that could make him lose....
Keep Calm
and
a Little crazy
Yeah, I think TLO is very strong mechanically. And he is very creative but I think going non-standard too often hurts him a little bit. Though I do love to see "TLO builds" every now and then.
On October 15 2012 01:27 Black Gun wrote: plz give us thorzain vs tlo for the finals.
go tlo, elfi should be no match for you!
You have to remember that elfis PvZ is his best matchup atm. Its going to be really even i think.
Liquipedia disagrees with you. 51% win rate at Pro-level is actually quite bad as opposed to his 67% win-rate in PvP
It chnaged recently, he said, the dates go back to 2010 AFAIK, bringing up all-time-statistics is missleading.
In fairness his reputation grew from being a PvP monster if he excels at any matchups then good for him but it's too early to say that right now
I just repeated, what elfi said in his interview yesterday, ofc. his main reputation comes from his legendary PvP, but he got better at his other MU´s as well.
On October 15 2012 02:05 MCDayC wrote: wait, TLO moved back to Germany? permanently?
He will go back to Korea for a while and then move back permanently in December, I think. At least that's what he wrote in a Skype convo that could be seen on his stream a while ago (the day before Liquid Rising was released).
As for Red Bull Stratos, the guy is at almost 100k feet now (live stream):
If you hatch first consistently it's your own fault really lol, gj from Elfi. Also TLO drones were kinda late, think he could've held if they were quicker to attack the cannons. It was insanely close >__<
Well it was close, if it had required one more hit from cannon for hatch to go down it probably would've survived. Elfi would've still had an advantage though.
Excellent counter from TLO, it was without a doubt the correct move. I doubt it'd be that good against a straight up immortal all-in, but against this delayed post-phoenix one, it was perfect.
Incredible response. Might be counterable, but the point of this all in is to hit him with a stupidly strong army which you can't exactly split. Perhaps if you cannon up your nat and warp sentries there in advance. Still, the nydus in the main is the second strong point of this build.
On October 15 2012 02:27 CruelZeratul wrote: Kill third, retreat, profit. I don't get why he pushed it further.
If you let the Zerg get to Infestors this can still go out very bad for you, even if it is 2-base against 2-base. That's why every Protoss pushes further and tries to kill a Zerg when going for the Immortal-Allin.
On October 15 2012 02:28 Tanukki wrote: Excellent counter from TLO, it was without a doubt the correct move. I doubt it'd be that good against a straight up immortal all-in, but against this delayed post-phoenix one, it was perfect.
It demolished a standard immortal push by Mana yestersday, he done the exact same thing...
On October 15 2012 02:27 CruelZeratul wrote: Kill third, retreat, profit. I don't get why he pushed it further.
TLO was already at elfis base. He would get a massive blow to his economy and TLo could retreat with Nydus and don't lose his army while retaining 2 bases. TLO forced him into basetrade, it's how the build is planned.
On October 15 2012 02:27 CruelZeratul wrote: Kill third, retreat, profit. I don't get why he pushed it further.
TLO was already at elfis base. He would get a massive blow to his economy and TLo could retreat with Nydus and don't lose his army while retaining 2 bases. TLO forced him into basetrade, it's how the build is planned.
Exactly, TLO would demolish his economy if he done that and would still have all his drones having only lost a hatchery.
I still think the protoss player can just load up 2 immortals into the warp prism and snipe the nydus. Just micro against the spines like ZeNEXTREME does against roaches!
I think the correct response for the Protoss player is to ignore the third and Natural and head straigth into the main and kill the Spines before they are done
On October 15 2012 02:27 Greenei wrote: tlo might revolutionize the MU. this defense is SOLID.
No, it's not. He could just retreat after sniping the third and defend with Sentries/Cannons. It's working because it is new.
Riiight. because TLO didn't do this 1000 times before on ladder/practise. He plays a build where he knows if the Toss turns around after killing the third he loses? I don't think so. He figured this build out over a period of time, practise and refinement.
On October 15 2012 02:27 Greenei wrote: tlo might revolutionize the MU. this defense is SOLID.
No, it's not. He could just retreat after sniping the third and defend with Sentries/Cannons. It's working because it is new.
Riiight. because TLO didn't do this 1000 times before on ladder/practise. He plays a build where he knows if the Toss turns around after killing the third he loses? I don't think so. He figured this build out over a period of time, practise and refinement.
Doesn't mean to much if the oponents don't react accordingly because they don't have enough practice against that.
Also I'm pretty happy with the turn out of the tournament so far. The top 3 are all players I want to do well, so the result dosn't matter as much, enabling me to just enjoy the games for the games themselves Only improvement for me might have been Kas over Thorzain but we can't have everything can we ^_^
On October 15 2012 02:29 Swords wrote: Call me a skeptic, but against a stronger opponent I can't see that working.
Yeah he could never pull it off against someone like Mana
You realize Mana's worst matchup is Zerg and when interviewed said he feels like he has no idea what's he's doing in the MU currently.
Look, I'd love to see TLO do awesome stuff, but I'm not convinced it's actually a great strategy until I see it work against someone who's a real strong PvZ player - of which there aren't a lot of currently in Europe.
had to turn on polish stream works perfect at 720+ mainstream wouldn't run at all, at any resolution just kept refreshing offline background and ads.... need to get that fixed
On October 15 2012 02:45 Fenrax wrote: lol this series -_-
wtf were these attacks
I feel like TLO was trying to delay and free up supply for the brood transition but he heavily overcommitted to all of them and opened a massive window of opportunity for elfi.
apollo is rly making semmlar look like a lv below as a caster... they rly should have just paired apollo with a player, not hating on semmlar just kinda disappointed.
I don't understand why you'd be greedy with sending down drones to defend if you want to go hatch first. Atleast in my experience most of them can't help themselves trying to pull a fast cannon win cause they don't wanna let you have this advantage
dont understand TLO. Oh sure, drop a pylon next to my natural. Have a forge. Kill my hatch in the first game. Then... send drones back to main leaving just one trailing the probe...
TLO is really his own worst enemy here, he really needs to study up on how to approach a series a little more. His actual gameplay/mechanics are easily among the best at this tournament, but he consistently loses out to mindgames and weird decision making.
It's not impossible to hold hatch first against a cannon rush, and I like zergs who deliberately open hatch first to bait that strategy. But if you open hatch first and don't prepare for a cannon rush...you're just being silly. Hatch first is perfectly viable in ZvP, just don't be stubborn about it.
??? i don't even know what to say. How? I mean? really? That series made me so sad. Had to be nerves because I don't see any other way that that series went the way it did.
On October 15 2012 03:07 HotShizz wrote: ??? i don't even know what to say. How? I mean? really? That series made me so sad. Had to be nerves because I don't see any other way that that series went the way it did.
That series was more the opposite imo, constant blind 15 hatches come across a player too certain of his ability to hold a hatch first.
On October 15 2012 03:09 Luolis wrote: I find it a little sad that so many people underrate elfi. Tho i guess they can be sad TLO fans too. Anyways looking forward to the finals.
I hope they don't really. Elfi is a beast! Who consistantly gets great results!
On October 15 2012 03:09 Luolis wrote: I find it a little sad that so many people underrate elfi. Tho i guess they can be sad TLO fans too. Anyways looking forward to the finals.
totally agree with this, Elfi is proving again and again that he is one of the best protoss in europe and people are still underestimating him.
Don't want to underrate Elfi, but he's so dead against Thorzain. Spoon terran has been pretty 100% on top of scouting so harder for Elfi to play mind games.
On October 15 2012 03:09 Luolis wrote: I find it a little sad that so many people underrate elfi. Tho i guess they can be sad TLO fans too. Anyways looking forward to the finals.
I hope they don't really. Elfi is a beast! Who consistantly gets great results!
I'm still a sad TLO fan though, hehe!
yes, it sucks that he went out in that fashion, but i am in a happy mood about his all around performance. can't wait for his next event! fighting!
Cannon rushing vs hatch first is 100% the correct response. No one should be blaming elfi for that. It's just disappointing that TLO thought he could be just that extra bit greedy rather than playing safe and outplaying elfi - which I'm sure he can do.
I dont get all the cheese, mindgames w/e comments. Maybe mindgames not going Nexus first, but after that 1st game and seeing TLO play yesterday that wasnt really too hard to figure out. He just scouted and reacted correctly.
I open the twitch channel and I hear Semmler going on and on about "truly a beautiful thing to see in this day and age..." and I think he's talking about Elfi cannon rushing.
On October 15 2012 03:38 simmeh wrote: nice speech semmler!
I disagree, I thought it sounded stupid and childish. I'm not tuning in for some poorly conceived anti-government, pro space jump rhetoric, I just want to see some starcraft.
Elfis been doing alot of pauses this tournament, im getting the feeling hes abusing them when hes about to make a big decision. its ALWAYS in a tense moment.
On October 15 2012 03:43 ThePowerHour wrote: Ok what the hell Elfi, that's not the first time you've paused in the middle of a crucial micro battle this tournament.
He's not the only one though, I dunno what's up with those stations, but I've seen Kas, Mana, TLO, and Elfi all pause now.
On October 15 2012 03:44 NinjaMagic wrote: Elfis been doing alot of pauses this tournament, im getting the feeling hes abusing them when hes about to make a big decision. its ALWAYS in a tense moment.
i´ve heard rumors that he also poisoned thorzain before the game just to get an extra edge over him!!
On October 15 2012 03:44 NinjaMagic wrote: Elfis been doing alot of pauses this tournament, im getting the feeling hes abusing them when hes about to make a big decision. its ALWAYS in a tense moment.
i´ve heard rumors that he also poisoned thorzain before the game just to get an extra edge over him!!
I heard that elfi was looking at the minimap and is ddosing the tournament.
On October 15 2012 03:44 NinjaMagic wrote: Elfis been doing alot of pauses this tournament, im getting the feeling hes abusing them when hes about to make a big decision. its ALWAYS in a tense moment.
Kas did EXACTLY the same pause when Thorzain was about to take out his third CC. Just saying. You really should ASK for a pause or at least announce it...
On October 15 2012 03:44 NinjaMagic wrote: Elfis been doing alot of pauses this tournament, im getting the feeling hes abusing them when hes about to make a big decision. its ALWAYS in a tense moment.
i´ve heard rumors that he also poisoned thorzain before the game just to get an extra edge over him!!
I heard that elfi was looking at the minimap and is ddosing the tournament.
I also heard he has a series of mirrors set up over the table they're playing on so he can see his opponent's screen.
On October 15 2012 03:59 Fusilero wrote: Apollo raises a good point, I do wonder what happens when someone gets feedbacked what is the process of feedbacking something.
You know there are people who lose sleep over stuff like that, right?
On October 15 2012 03:59 Fusilero wrote: Apollo raises a good point, I do wonder what happens when someone gets feedbacked what is the process of feedbacking something.
You know there are people who lose sleep over stuff like that, right?
Isn't there a thread somewhere on TL by someone who tested this? It's something weird like the templar that was built later wins.
On October 15 2012 04:06 Cereb wrote: Why is no one harassing at all?
It's Ohana, very small map, once you're at 4 bases a lack of units with your main fighting force could mean losing a maxed engagement because someone walked 2 feet across the map to kill you in response to the harass.
On October 15 2012 04:08 Steel wrote: OMG thorzain walk over to his base and kill him already!!!!!
Thorzain takes when ahead get more ahead very seriously.
Haha yeah it's a good style! But he couldn't possibly come behind out of a 200 vs 120 food fight though T_T Better safe than sorry I suppose, but I have seen terran's lose cause they let protoss get maxed and they messed up an engagement.
On October 15 2012 04:10 Mackus wrote: A typical foreigner game
Not exciting to watch at all
Yeah, just a typical macro game. You know, with one player baiting the other into a massively defensive posture by hiding his ebays, falling back after killing the third, instantly building bunkers and holding until he had an invincible army and then engaging 4 more times, waiting to rip him apart with sheer cost efficiency.
You've got no idea what the hell was going on in that game, do you.
On October 15 2012 04:10 Mackus wrote: A typical foreigner game
Not exciting to watch at all
Yeah, just a typical macro game. You know, with one player baiting the other into a massively defensive posture by hiding his ebays, falling back after killing the third, instantly building bunkers and holding until he had an invincible army and then engaging 4 more times, waiting to rip him apart with sheer cost efficiency.
You've got no idea what the hell was going on in that game, do you.
Terran and invincible army LOL - I stopped reading there fyi
On October 15 2012 04:10 Mackus wrote: A typical foreigner game
Not exciting to watch at all
Yeah, just a typical macro game. You know, with one player baiting the other into a massively defensive posture by hiding his ebays, falling back after killing the third, instantly building bunkers and holding until he had an invincible army and then engaging 4 more times, waiting to rip him apart with sheer cost efficiency.
You've got no idea what the hell was going on in that game, do you.
Terran and invincible army LOL - I stopped reading there fyi
If you seriously think Thorzain could have lost after sniping that third base, I don't really think you had any clue what was going on.
On October 15 2012 04:10 Mackus wrote: A typical foreigner game
Not exciting to watch at all
Yeah, just a typical macro game. You know, with one player baiting the other into a massively defensive posture by hiding his ebays, falling back after killing the third, instantly building bunkers and holding until he had an invincible army and then engaging 4 more times, waiting to rip him apart with sheer cost efficiency.
You've got no idea what the hell was going on in that game, do you.
pretty much agreed with this. the timing on killing the third was a culmination of really nice play by thorzain, which was even explained by apollo.. a good game, although thorzain could have finished it sooner (but we're only talking about 5 minutes longer)
On October 15 2012 04:10 Mackus wrote: A typical foreigner game
Not exciting to watch at all
Yeah, just a typical macro game. You know, with one player baiting the other into a massively defensive posture by hiding his ebays, falling back after killing the third, instantly building bunkers and holding until he had an invincible army and then engaging 4 more times, waiting to rip him apart with sheer cost efficiency.
You've got no idea what the hell was going on in that game, do you.
Terran and invincible army LOL - I stopped reading there fyi
If you seriously think Thorzain could have lost after sniping that third base, I don't really think you had any clue what was going on.
Funny you say that since Elfi was at a 80 supply disadvantage but then it was only 30 afterwards just he ran out of money, I think you need to look in the mirror when you call people clueless
On October 15 2012 04:23 KalWarkov wrote: 1 sentry, 1 stalker and 2 HTs at minute 9.
Thats how greedy elfi is.
he would die to ANY agression with this build, but he doesnt give a fuck. i have to dislike players like this :/
He's playing his opponent on the map, his race, builds he used, and how the previous games played out. It's not a ladder bo1 coinflip with nothing riding on it. He won for these reasons. And he certainly gives a fuck.
Certain players always have the same pattern. "Next opponent is good, let's all in!" gamble all in works "I just beat one of the best non korean players, I'm fucking good! I can beat him whenever I want!" tries standard game, loses "Let's all in again!"
On October 15 2012 04:27 aTnClouD wrote: Certain players always have the same pattern. "Next opponent is good, let's all in!" gamble all in works "I just beat one of the best non korean players, I'm fucking good! I can beat him whenever I want!" tries standard game, loses "Let's all in again!"
On October 15 2012 04:27 aTnClouD wrote: Certain players always have the same pattern. "Next opponent is good, let's all in!" gamble all in works "I just beat one of the best non korean players, I'm fucking good! I can beat him whenever I want!" tries standard game, loses "Let's all in again!"
All in is part of the game and its up to Thorzain to stop it
On October 15 2012 04:27 aTnClouD wrote: Certain players always have the same pattern. "Next opponent is good, let's all in!" gamble all in works "I just beat one of the best non korean players, I'm fucking good! I can beat him whenever I want!" tries standard game, loses "Let's all in again!"
All in is part of the game and its up to Thorzain to stop it
On October 15 2012 04:27 aTnClouD wrote: Certain players always have the same pattern. "Next opponent is good, let's all in!" gamble all in works "I just beat one of the best non korean players, I'm fucking good! I can beat him whenever I want!" tries standard game, loses "Let's all in again!"
Yeah, anything counts.
It does, it's hard to have respect for players who seem incapable of winning a macro game, though.
Meh ... nothing went right for elfi with his all-in. Given that thorzain responded perfectly, I don't think he could have done anything to make that work.
On October 15 2012 04:10 Mackus wrote: A typical foreigner game
Not exciting to watch at all
Yeah, just a typical macro game. You know, with one player baiting the other into a massively defensive posture by hiding his ebays, falling back after killing the third, instantly building bunkers and holding until he had an invincible army and then engaging 4 more times, waiting to rip him apart with sheer cost efficiency.
You've got no idea what the hell was going on in that game, do you.
Terran and invincible army LOL - I stopped reading there fyi
If you seriously think Thorzain could have lost after sniping that third base, I don't really think you had any clue what was going on.
Funny you say that since Elfi was at a 80 supply disadvantage but then it was only 30 afterwards just he ran out of money, I think you need to look in the mirror when you call people clueless
nonsense, thorzain was very, very far ahead. only a huge blunder like move command or poor ghost control would have lost him the game. elfi didn't make any big army control errors after losing his third and yet it was never close after this point.
do you play much high level tvp? because this seemed obvious to me
elfis micro was fine. but he was simply 50 secs late. this way, he couldnt do nearly enough dmg to force thorzain to delay stim/medivacs or to beat him once he had it. usually, you kill a lot of workers or some missplaced marines.
On October 15 2012 04:10 Mackus wrote: A typical foreigner game
Not exciting to watch at all
Yeah, just a typical macro game. You know, with one player baiting the other into a massively defensive posture by hiding his ebays, falling back after killing the third, instantly building bunkers and holding until he had an invincible army and then engaging 4 more times, waiting to rip him apart with sheer cost efficiency.
You've got no idea what the hell was going on in that game, do you.
Terran and invincible army LOL - I stopped reading there fyi
If you seriously think Thorzain could have lost after sniping that third base, I don't really think you had any clue what was going on.
Funny you say that since Elfi was at a 80 supply disadvantage but then it was only 30 afterwards just he ran out of money, I think you need to look in the mirror when you call people clueless
nonsense, thorzain was very, very far ahead. only a huge blunder like move command or poor ghost control would have lost him the game. elfi didn't make any big army control errors after losing his third and yet it was never close after this point.
do you play much high level tvp? because this seemed obvious to me
Thorzain's control was good I'll give you that but realistically a better Protoss would of done better and people act like Thorzain's all godlike and all this biased nonsense
On October 15 2012 04:27 aTnClouD wrote: Certain players always have the same pattern. "Next opponent is good, let's all in!" gamble all in works "I just beat one of the best non korean players, I'm fucking good! I can beat him whenever I want!" tries standard game, loses "Let's all in again!"
All in is part of the game and its up to Thorzain to stop it
On October 15 2012 04:10 Mackus wrote: A typical foreigner game
Not exciting to watch at all
Yeah, just a typical macro game. You know, with one player baiting the other into a massively defensive posture by hiding his ebays, falling back after killing the third, instantly building bunkers and holding until he had an invincible army and then engaging 4 more times, waiting to rip him apart with sheer cost efficiency.
You've got no idea what the hell was going on in that game, do you.
Terran and invincible army LOL - I stopped reading there fyi
If you seriously think Thorzain could have lost after sniping that third base, I don't really think you had any clue what was going on.
Funny you say that since Elfi was at a 80 supply disadvantage but then it was only 30 afterwards just he ran out of money, I think you need to look in the mirror when you call people clueless
nonsense, thorzain was very, very far ahead. only a huge blunder like move command or poor ghost control would have lost him the game. elfi didn't make any big army control errors after losing his third and yet it was never close after this point.
do you play much high level tvp? because this seemed obvious to me
Thorzain's control was good I'll give you that but realistically a better Protoss would of done better and people act like Thorzain's all godlike and all this biased nonsense
A better protoss would have done better? I wish I had your insight.
On October 15 2012 04:10 Mackus wrote: A typical foreigner game
Not exciting to watch at all
Yeah, just a typical macro game. You know, with one player baiting the other into a massively defensive posture by hiding his ebays, falling back after killing the third, instantly building bunkers and holding until he had an invincible army and then engaging 4 more times, waiting to rip him apart with sheer cost efficiency.
You've got no idea what the hell was going on in that game, do you.
Terran and invincible army LOL - I stopped reading there fyi
If you seriously think Thorzain could have lost after sniping that third base, I don't really think you had any clue what was going on.
Funny you say that since Elfi was at a 80 supply disadvantage but then it was only 30 afterwards just he ran out of money, I think you need to look in the mirror when you call people clueless
nonsense, thorzain was very, very far ahead. only a huge blunder like move command or poor ghost control would have lost him the game. elfi didn't make any big army control errors after losing his third and yet it was never close after this point.
do you play much high level tvp? because this seemed obvious to me
Thorzain's control was good I'll give you that but realistically a better Protoss would of done better and people act like Thorzain's all godlike and all this biased nonsense
A better protoss would have done better? I wish I had your insight.
call me an ad hominem but i just checked and he's a platinum terran heh heh.
elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
On October 15 2012 04:50 KalWarkov wrote: elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
On October 15 2012 04:50 KalWarkov wrote: elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
Winning better players than he is...yeah ok. TLO tears?
On October 15 2012 04:50 KalWarkov wrote: elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
LOL, are you serious? He won all his games fair an square... wtf.
On October 15 2012 04:50 KalWarkov wrote: elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
Winning better players than he is...yeah ok. TLO tears?
not at all, im not a fan of tlo even. i just dislike elfi, thats all.
but you guys are correct, its their fault for not playing different against elfi.
On October 15 2012 04:50 KalWarkov wrote: elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
Elfi doesn't provide interesting games??? Elfi is nuts, his games are great, him along with TLO, Naama, Life, etc.
On October 15 2012 04:50 KalWarkov wrote: elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
Winning better players than he is...yeah ok. TLO tears?
not at all, im not a fan of tlo even. i just dislike elfi, thats all.
but you guys are correct, its their fault for not playing different against elfi.
Damn if you're gonna play the Big Bad Wolf when there's nothing left to show, you ought to put the video on the stream for people to see, it's just too hilarious. XD
On October 15 2012 04:50 KalWarkov wrote: elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
Elfi doesn't provide interesting games??? Elfi is nuts, his games are great, him along with TLO, Naama, Life, etc.
Surely upsets are exciting in of themselves?
The other players at least seem to know how to transition in to the late game and can play a straight up macro match. Elfi always seems lost when it gets past the 12 minute mark.
His games are entertaining, but I'd have been disappointed if he won the tournament.
On October 15 2012 04:50 KalWarkov wrote: elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
Elfi doesn't provide interesting games??? Elfi is nuts, his games are great, him along with TLO, Naama, Life, etc.
Surely upsets are exciting in of themselves?
The other players at least seem to know how to transition in to the late game and can play a straight up macro match. Elfi always seems lost when it gets past the 12 minute mark.
His games are entertaining, but I'd have been disappointed if he won the tournament.
On October 15 2012 04:50 KalWarkov wrote: elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
Elfi doesn't provide interesting games??? Elfi is nuts, his games are great, him along with TLO, Naama, Life, etc.
Surely upsets are exciting in of themselves?
well, its cool to see some variation out of players. im not even disliking his playstyle too much, I just dislike how good results he has doing it. it shouldnt be like that, i cant respect him as much as players that did it with solid play.
im not saying elfi is terrible, all i say is that finals between lucifron/thorzain/tlo/kas wouldve been way more interesting and deserving than watching elfi flipping coins to decide what type of allin he uses. you can do that on ladder and have fun that way, but you should be unable to reach a tournament final with that.
Tournament was a pleasure to watch, for sure. 2GD and crew never disappoints. Also, really impressive play by Thorzain through and through. Those last games were pretty flawless. Happy to see Elfi and TLO being back on track after being a bit under the radar lately (I guess Elfi has been a bit more prominent than TLO though).
But holy cow, as someone mentioned earlier..Apollo's casting was probably the best I've ever heard. That man is on fire.
On October 15 2012 04:50 KalWarkov wrote: elfi destroyed my pleasure of watching this tournament. knocking out better players on his road to the finals, making the finals far less interesting than they should be. im just glad thorzain won now ~.~
Elfi doesn't provide interesting games??? Elfi is nuts, his games are great, him along with TLO, Naama, Life, etc.
Surely upsets are exciting in of themselves?
The other players at least seem to know how to transition in to the late game and can play a straight up macro match. Elfi always seems lost when it gets past the 12 minute mark.
His games are entertaining, but I'd have been disappointed if he won the tournament.
Did you see his games vs. Lucifron?
I guess not. He's just hating on elfi when he uses risky builds/cheese against someone better than him.
Oh, Thorzain won a tournament? AND I STILL DIDN"T GET TO SEE HIM WIN.
So far I've managed to miss watching th TSL3 finals, Dreamhack Stockholm, and now this. I seem to only be able to watch when he comes 2nd, in the IPL TAC, Dreamhack Valencia, in that online tournament vs Lucifron.
On October 15 2012 05:08 MCDayC wrote: Oh, Thorzain won a tournament? AND I STILL DIDN"T GET TO SEE HIM WIN.
So far I've managed to miss watching th TSL3 finals, Dreamhack Stockholm, and now this. I seem to only be able to watch when he comes 2nd, in the IPL TAC, Dreamhack Valencia, in that online tournament vs Lucifron.
fuuuuuuuu
EVERY, GODDAM, TIME.
Obviously you are a bad luck charm, and you watching causes Thorzain to lose in Finals. Keep tuning out at semi-final stage and Thorzain will keep winning!
On October 15 2012 05:08 MCDayC wrote: Oh, Thorzain won a tournament? AND I STILL DIDN"T GET TO SEE HIM WIN.
So far I've managed to miss watching th TSL3 finals, Dreamhack Stockholm, and now this. I seem to only be able to watch when he comes 2nd, in the IPL TAC, Dreamhack Valencia, in that online tournament vs Lucifron.
fuuuuuuuu
EVERY, GODDAM, TIME.
VODs are your friend.
Not if they're twitchtv vods for me. And thats hardly the point. There maybe no EG curse, but there's something going on with me and watching Thorzain win.
On October 15 2012 05:08 MCDayC wrote: Oh, Thorzain won a tournament? AND I STILL DIDN"T GET TO SEE HIM WIN.
So far I've managed to miss watching th TSL3 finals, Dreamhack Stockholm, and now this. I seem to only be able to watch when he comes 2nd, in the IPL TAC, Dreamhack Valencia, in that online tournament vs Lucifron.
fuuuuuuuu
EVERY, GODDAM, TIME.
Moral of the story? Become a thorzain antifan boom never deal with this again.
On October 15 2012 05:08 MCDayC wrote: Oh, Thorzain won a tournament? AND I STILL DIDN"T GET TO SEE HIM WIN.
So far I've managed to miss watching th TSL3 finals, Dreamhack Stockholm, and now this. I seem to only be able to watch when he comes 2nd, in the IPL TAC, Dreamhack Valencia, in that online tournament vs Lucifron.
On October 15 2012 05:08 MCDayC wrote: Oh, Thorzain won a tournament? AND I STILL DIDN"T GET TO SEE HIM WIN.
So far I've managed to miss watching th TSL3 finals, Dreamhack Stockholm, and now this. I seem to only be able to watch when he comes 2nd, in the IPL TAC, Dreamhack Valencia, in that online tournament vs Lucifron.
fuuuuuuuu
EVERY, GODDAM, TIME.
Moral of the story? Become a thorzain antifan boom never deal with this again.
Please don't say your a Thorzain antifan, I thought you were cool. I think the trick is to never watch him play ever again, and I'll run the fanclub of the greatest progamer of all time cause he'll never loose.
On October 15 2012 05:08 MCDayC wrote: Oh, Thorzain won a tournament? AND I STILL DIDN"T GET TO SEE HIM WIN.
So far I've managed to miss watching th TSL3 finals, Dreamhack Stockholm, and now this. I seem to only be able to watch when he comes 2nd, in the IPL TAC, Dreamhack Valencia, in that online tournament vs Lucifron.
fuuuuuuuu
EVERY, GODDAM, TIME.
Moral of the story? Become a thorzain antifan boom never deal with this again.
Please don't say your a Thorzain antifan, I thought you were cool. I think the trick is to never watch him play ever again, and I'll run the fanclub of the greatest progamer of all time cause he'll never loose.
I'm a thorzain fan, just looking out for you if you don't like a player you never have to deal with the stress of him losing it worked wonderfully for me with revival until that fucking patch.
On October 15 2012 05:08 MCDayC wrote: Oh, Thorzain won a tournament? AND I STILL DIDN"T GET TO SEE HIM WIN.
So far I've managed to miss watching th TSL3 finals, Dreamhack Stockholm, and now this. I seem to only be able to watch when he comes 2nd, in the IPL TAC, Dreamhack Valencia, in that online tournament vs Lucifron.
fuuuuuuuu
EVERY, GODDAM, TIME.
VODs are your friend.
Not if they're twitchtv vods for me. And thats hardly the point. There maybe no EG curse, but there's something going on with me and watching Thorzain win.
as a fellow Thorzain fan, I'm gonna have to ask you to stop watching him play.
On October 15 2012 05:08 MCDayC wrote: Oh, Thorzain won a tournament? AND I STILL DIDN"T GET TO SEE HIM WIN.
So far I've managed to miss watching th TSL3 finals, Dreamhack Stockholm, and now this. I seem to only be able to watch when he comes 2nd, in the IPL TAC, Dreamhack Valencia, in that online tournament vs Lucifron.
fuuuuuuuu
EVERY, GODDAM, TIME.
VODs are your friend.
Not if they're twitchtv vods for me. And thats hardly the point. There maybe no EG curse, but there's something going on with me and watching Thorzain win.
as a fellow Thorzain fan, I'm gonna have to ask you to stop watching him play.
Right on it, no change from what I would actually do, just now there's intent behind it.
Very good tournament by thegdteam, really happy to see no one was forgotten at the airport. Good winner in Thorzai, was really hoping for TLO to win it though
For liquipedia purposes should I add thorzain to the assembly champions or next asus rog invite champion or shall we keep it separate from the asus rog events.
Really nice and well produced event as one would expect from ASUS ROG and The GD Studio. I'm a bit sad for elfi though, he keeps posting great results but still lacks that LAN win. Grats to Thorzain though, strong play and a deserved win.
On October 15 2012 07:01 Fusilero wrote: For liquipedia purposes should I add thorzain to the assembly champions or next asus rog invite champion or shall we keep it separate from the asus rog events.
At least not assembly, this has nothing to do with assembly, which is a lanparty held since 1992.
To clarify the many pauses we had this event: for some reason the computers were getting the low paged pool memory error, which froze the screen for a moment but it came back after switching to windows and back. The hardware on the computers is good + Show Spoiler +
so the machines themselves are not the problem. Fortunately the freezes didn't cause any re-games. Still, unacceptable situation for tournament conditions.
On October 15 2012 23:06 Luolis wrote: The amount of elfi haters in this thread is too damn high.
I don't get why anyone would hate on him... He has an entertaining and well-planned aggressive playstyle, and even though I wanted Thorzain to win, I was still pretty impressed by Elfi.
On October 15 2012 07:01 Fusilero wrote: For liquipedia purposes should I add thorzain to the assembly champions or next asus rog invite champion or shall we keep it separate from the asus rog events.
At least not assembly, this has nothing to do with assembly, which is a lanparty held since 1992.
These are special events and shouldn't be used in the same breath, lol.
Anyone have playlist form this event? Especially one song with that weird sound in it. House song which is calm and then goes crazy. Has the word motherfucker in it I bnelieve.
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ROG.elfi
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