EPT[Code A] RO36 Day 2 2012 GSL Season 4 - Page 46
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whatevername
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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tryummm
774 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:49 whatevername wrote: I really hope this elephant thing goes away soon, its getting old. I do think the bw players have vastly superior mechanics etc, but realistically, a lot of REALLY good ex bw pros did a lot worse than youd expect, while bad players did better: Before sc2 if you told me forgg was going retire and try it, and so was Iron (mc) I would obviously have predicted FORGG would smash the scene. Hes done just fine but hes not destroying everyone. I definitely would of predicted Nada would do far better than Zergbong. I donno. I expect some bw players to reach top tier and kick others down, same with the mid and low tier, but I dont expect them to just wash everyone away. Those old BW players who did bad in SC2 also were like 30 years old and their BW skills degenerated to the point where they got no playing time in proleague before they retired. | ||
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Koesader
Netherlands424 Posts
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whatevername
471 Posts
On October 12 2012 01:00 tryummm wrote: Not really, there are a host of bw players people just forget about, like Ace [hell gumiho tried sc2 for a while]. Like a third of all the b teamers and low level a teamers retired and went to sc2 initially and only a handful went anywhere.Those old BW players who did bad in SC2 also were like 30 years old and their BW skills degenerated to the point where they got no playing time in proleague before they retired. | ||
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Pocky52
United States463 Posts
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:49 whatevername wrote: I really hope this elephant thing goes away soon, its getting old. I do think the bw players have vastly superior mechanics etc, but realistically, a lot of REALLY good ex bw pros did a lot worse than youd expect, while bad players did better: Before sc2 if you told me forgg was going retire and try it, and so was Iron (mc) I would obviously have predicted FORGG would smash the scene. Hes done just fine but hes not destroying everyone. I definitely would of predicted Nada would do far better than Zergbong. I donno. I expect some bw players to reach top tier and kick others down, same with the mid and low tier, but I dont expect them to just wash everyone away. Fans always want to pin wins and loses to individual players, but actually it has a lot more to do with the system and environment they are training in. Look at Slayers right now, you will know how important that is. It's the system, not just the talents. With big company sponsoring proleague teams, and their strict training scheme, by and large, they can produce more better players, ofc this assumes that nothing significant changes inside proleague teams from now on. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Zer atai
United States691 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:49 whatevername wrote: I really hope this elephant thing goes away soon, its getting old. I do think the bw players have vastly superior mechanics etc, but realistically, a lot of REALLY good ex bw pros did a lot worse than youd expect, while bad players did better: Before sc2 if you told me forgg was going retire and try it, and so was Iron (mc) I would obviously have predicted FORGG would smash the scene. Hes done just fine but hes not destroying everyone. I definitely would of predicted Nada would do far better than Zergbong. I donno. I expect some bw players to reach top tier and kick others down, same with the mid and low tier, but I dont expect them to just wash everyone away. If you actually follow BW, as in actually follow it rather than just knowing who the biggest names are, then you'd realize how ignorant your statement is. There are a lot of turnover in terms of the A-teamers of Kespa teams at any given time, due to incredible amount of competition. And many newer, younger Kespa players that are beasting in SC2 right now were just beginning to become SPL staples towards the end of the BW era. Not to mention that the whole Elephant article did factor Kespa talent as a whole rather than individual players. Yeah, no kidding some players may not handle the transition as well as others. We are talking about different games, after all. But the idea that the sheer quantity and quality of RTS talent on Kespa teams, both players and overall team coaching/management/environment, are superior to current SC2 talent in and out of Korea is proving to be mostly true. | ||
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Atrain1982
United States23 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:07 TheDougler wrote: Was that a pun? (You know... 'cause crying?) ...um...sure ;- ) | ||
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sinigang
360 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:49 whatevername wrote: I really hope this elephant thing goes away soon, its getting old. I do think the bw players have vastly superior mechanics etc, but realistically, a lot of REALLY good ex bw pros did a lot worse than youd expect, while bad players did better: Before sc2 if you told me forgg was going retire and try it, and so was Iron (mc) I would obviously have predicted FORGG would smash the scene. Hes done just fine but hes not destroying everyone. I definitely would of predicted Nada would do far better than Zergbong. I donno. I expect some bw players to reach top tier and kick others down, same with the mid and low tier, but I dont expect them to just wash everyone away. hmmm.... elephant! | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
I'm little sad to watch players who once dominated like MMA, Bomber and Supernova to fall so easily.. it just doesn't feel right. Haha, maybe I'm just being nostalgic. | ||
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Chengakz
United States163 Posts
Im not very familiar with the BW scene but seems like the names that I do hear (because people expect them to do well..as Ive heard from some forums here) have not fared very well in SC2...whereas the least expected or so-called B team in BW are the ones who are making it big in SC2. So far anyway. It must be quite surreal for the BW superstars after experiencing so much success. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
Interviews are up! | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:42 CosmicSpiral wrote: Because he is Flash and this is the SC2 community. Which means that he was destined to be overrated. So being the best terran and also #1 bw player in the world is (according to your logic) "destined to be overrated". How about you post up his 70% win ratio bw record and explain to me how he's "overrated". I assume with your logic that MVP is overrated as well. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
funny how some past top players have seriously dropped off people still pushing the skill ceiling up | ||
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On October 12 2012 03:49 BlazeFury01 wrote: So being the best terran and also #1 bw player in the world is (according to your logic) "destined to be overrated". How about you post up his 70% win ratio bw record and explain to me how he's "overrated". I assume with your logic that MVP is overrated as well. Overrated in SC2. When people expect him to deliver similarly spectacular results in SC2 based on how he did in BW (which is obviously no fair and not his fault), and he does not reach those levels, he has been overrated. | ||
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fakgfdgfdh
79 Posts
On October 12 2012 00:38 sharkie wrote: just out of curiosity why do people call Flash losing surprising or unexpected? I don't see how there could have been any favourite in this match up. Flash's SC2 record has been ok at best so far. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/424_Flash how cant you see that? On October 12 2012 00:42 CosmicSpiral wrote: Because he is Flash and this is the SC2 community. Which means that he was destined to be overrated. and in exactly what way would that be overrating him | ||
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