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mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
November 11 2012 03:58 GMT
#4581
On November 11 2012 12:58 maximuspita wrote:
Is that Anna Prosser?

Yah... Incontrol did well.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#4582
On November 11 2012 12:58 FrogOfWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:54 Sated wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:53 Dodgin wrote:
I'm not sure who deserves to lose this game more.

Forgetting Warp Gate is really bad but Sheth's defense has been completely awful

It's ok though Sheth has a good army so he's going to win.

Forgetting Warp Gate was bad, but ToD has played so well since then with his harassment...

... Obviously doesn't matter how much damage you take as Zerg, though =P


I agree the harassment was great. And that's why sheth deserves some credit for still getting his bl/infestor up. Those aren't free, you know.


If all it takes to win games is macroing units then this game sucks.
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
November 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#4583
On November 11 2012 12:57 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:56 jnd wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:55 TheHova wrote:
ToD might not have played perfect but he completely and utterly outplayed Sheth in every single game, the fact that he lost this series is just a joke. PvZ...

Outplayed means that the guy wins, not loses.

This is not always true.

Yeah I forgot we're supposed to bash Zerg nowadays.
Team 8 BaBy will be the next Terran Bonjwa in HoTS | HSC V, the best tournament in 2012 | GD Studio #1 no fluff esports show
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
November 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#4584
On November 11 2012 12:58 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:56 jnd wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:55 TheHova wrote:
ToD might not have played perfect but he completely and utterly outplayed Sheth in every single game, the fact that he lost this series is just a joke. PvZ...

Outplayed means that the guy wins, not loses.


In a perfect world this would be true.


In a perfectly balanced game of starcraft, this would be true.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
November 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#4585
On November 11 2012 12:53 liberate71 wrote:
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On November 11 2012 12:52 Cokefreak wrote:
These games remind me of Nestea open season 1 games.


Or GSL Season 4 series? Ohhhhh - I love nestea


Haha, that was the one against HuK right? (there may have been another game as well but it was EXCEPTIONALLY bad against HuK).
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
November 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#4586
On November 11 2012 12:58 xPabt wrote:
Trying to play a macro game is totally useless just 2 or 3 base all-in everygame until blizzard makes changes/hots.

No, because then knowing Blizz they'll make it so that the WonWonWon will become less powerful and therefore will force more macro games.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
November 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#4587
Can we tone down the whining just a little bit? I understand peoples frustration... but it seems like every comment is whining now.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
November 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#4588
On November 11 2012 12:57 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:55 TheHova wrote:
ToD might not have played perfect but he completely and utterly outplayed Sheth in every single game, the fact that he lost this series is just a joke. PvZ...


Yeah okay lmao


How did Sheth play better than ToD in any of those games? He played terrible. Broodlord Infestor saved him in both games that he won and almost even in the 2nd...


Throw away endless zealots and DTs and warp prisms to kill a few drones, spines but mostly target buildings that don't die. Do this while forgetting warp gate, wasting time trying to expand when you have no army while making a 150 supply "deathball". Then proceed to whine when you lose to a zerg you didn't touch for the first 13 minutes of the game, and only bruised for the rest.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
biteMe
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany241 Posts
November 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#4589
sheth didnt really win this.. he just lost it slower than tod did
I am very mad because i am german. Also i hate web 2.0.
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
November 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#4590
ToD will never play another tournament match after that BM.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
November 11 2012 04:00 GMT
#4591
On November 11 2012 12:59 jnd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:57 andaylin wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:56 jnd wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:55 TheHova wrote:
ToD might not have played perfect but he completely and utterly outplayed Sheth in every single game, the fact that he lost this series is just a joke. PvZ...

Outplayed means that the guy wins, not loses.

This is not always true.

Yeah I forgot we're supposed to bash Zerg nowadays.

If you really think Sheth outplayed ToD, hm. This isn't to say that either of them played good btw.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
November 11 2012 04:00 GMT
#4592
On November 11 2012 12:59 jnd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:57 andaylin wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:56 jnd wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:55 TheHova wrote:
ToD might not have played perfect but he completely and utterly outplayed Sheth in every single game, the fact that he lost this series is just a joke. PvZ...

Outplayed means that the guy wins, not loses.

This is not always true.

Yeah I forgot we're supposed to bash Zerg nowadays.

If you send your entire army cross-map to kill one DT...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 04:01:34
November 11 2012 04:00 GMT
#4593
The thing is. ToD was going to lose the game as soon as sheth attacked at any point. Starting from roach/ling/infestor 150 vs 100 supply when sheth decided not to attack. At any point if sheth attacked he would win, so what looked like ToD ripping sheth apart was actually tod frantically stalling for time, throwing away a ton of resources to stay alive.

sheth destroying tod with his attack was inevitable.

It should have happened immediately after the first DTs, but sheth chickened out and made the game look incredibly ugly. It went from being a sure win with 150 supply against 3 immortals and 4 sentries to tod actually having a small shot at winning.


that game started with no warpgate.....
...
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44372 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-11 04:00:32
November 11 2012 04:00 GMT
#4594
On November 11 2012 12:57 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:55 TheHova wrote:
ToD might not have played perfect but he completely and utterly outplayed Sheth in every single game, the fact that he lost this series is just a joke. PvZ...


Yeah okay lmao


How did Sheth play better than ToD in any of those games? He played terrible. Broodlord Infestor saved him in both games that he won and almost even in the 2nd...


They both played terribly. Last time I checked, 11 minute warp gate isn't too good. Neither is having no area of effect damage in the late game, or missing most of your vortexes. ToD's warp prism harassment was the only thing he did well, and it was only effective because Sheth's multitasking was terrible this match. They both have played a lot better in previous matches.

And Sheth clearly played better in 2 out of those 3 games, because Sheth won the match 2-1. Period.

EDIT: I play Protoss.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
November 11 2012 04:00 GMT
#4595
On November 11 2012 12:59 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:53 liberate71 wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:52 Cokefreak wrote:
These games remind me of Nestea open season 1 games.


Or GSL Season 4 series? Ohhhhh - I love nestea


Haha, that was the one against HuK right? (there may have been another game as well but it was EXCEPTIONALLY bad against HuK).


That was on Taldarim.

Nestea fucked up a gigantic lead.
Going mass banelings against archons.lollll
Play your best
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
November 11 2012 04:00 GMT
#4596
On November 11 2012 12:59 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2012 12:53 liberate71 wrote:
On November 11 2012 12:52 Cokefreak wrote:
These games remind me of Nestea open season 1 games.


Or GSL Season 4 series? Ohhhhh - I love nestea


Haha, that was the one against HuK right? (there may have been another game as well but it was EXCEPTIONALLY bad against HuK).


Oh nah, that was GSL November last year I think, I just mean as GSL Season 4 was when the King of Zerg departed teh GSL
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
November 11 2012 04:00 GMT
#4597
On November 11 2012 12:59 Chicane wrote:
Can we tone down the whining just a little bit? I understand peoples frustration... but it seems like every comment is whining now.

Welcome to LR threads.
Team 8 BaBy will be the next Terran Bonjwa in HoTS | HSC V, the best tournament in 2012 | GD Studio #1 no fluff esports show
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
November 11 2012 04:00 GMT
#4598
People are way overcreditting the harrassment. Tons of times ToD went in with 6 Zealots, 2 DTs, and a pair of warp prisms and lost them all in exchange for "almost" getting a building which Sheth then healed.

When you do that, it isn't "great harassment", it's a "horrible blunder" because you just lost SO MANY UNITS that could have been in your army.

Some of ToD's harassment was incredible - when he went from pressure to pressure to pressure and made Sheth look like he was terrible and had no control at all, but by the end of the game, ToD had lost far more from those attacks than he gained.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
November 11 2012 04:01 GMT
#4599
On November 11 2012 12:59 pedrlz wrote:
ToD will never play another tournament match after that BM.


And why is that?
I've got moves like Jagger
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
November 11 2012 04:01 GMT
#4600
On November 11 2012 12:59 Chicane wrote:
Can we tone down the whining just a little bit? I understand peoples frustration... but it seems like every comment is whining now.

STOP WHINNING
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