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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 09 2012 22:58 GMT
#281
On October 10 2012 07:56 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 07:54 Kettchup wrote:
Really hoping for a TvT finals. By far the best match-up these days.

i assume youre a terran player?

as a protoss, i wont watch a TvT or TvZ finals, find the match ups pretty boring


I didn't know it was possible to like starcraft and dislike both TvZ and TvT
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2012 23:00 GMT
#282
you guys are all pretty hyped for this, 15 pages and still 10 hours to go!
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
October 09 2012 23:06 GMT
#283
Taking player skill into account, my predictions are:

MVP 3-0 Rain
Taeja 3-0 Life
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ujonecro
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom846 Posts
October 09 2012 23:07 GMT
#284
Rain 3-2 MVP
Taeja 3-2 Life
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
October 09 2012 23:09 GMT
#285
On October 10 2012 07:56 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 07:54 Kettchup wrote:
Really hoping for a TvT finals. By far the best match-up these days.

i assume youre a terran player?

as a protoss, i wont watch a TvT or TvZ finals, find the match ups pretty boring


TvT, and TvZ?

You must either be lying or you haven't watched much Starcraft...

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shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
October 09 2012 23:09 GMT
#286
On October 10 2012 08:00 opterown wrote:
you guys are all pretty hyped for this, 15 pages and still 10 hours to go!


That's a grand understatement.

Also:

MVP 3-1 Rain
Life 3-1 Taeja
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
October 09 2012 23:10 GMT
#287
On October 10 2012 08:00 opterown wrote:
you guys are all pretty hyped for this, 15 pages and still 10 hours to go!


i honestly think rain vs mvp will be bigger than the finals. no offense to the tl star taeja or the rising zerg life but they are basically irrelavent atm.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4413 Posts
October 09 2012 23:12 GMT
#288
On October 10 2012 07:56 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 07:54 Kettchup wrote:
Really hoping for a TvT finals. By far the best match-up these days.

i assume youre a terran player?

as a protoss, i wont watch a TvT or TvZ finals, find the match ups pretty boring


Terran is my least played race and TvT is definitely the best matchup. It has by far the most variety and more action around the map than any other matchup. Aside from drops/harass all the other matchups are focused around 1 big engagement. TvT is the only matchup where you can split up big sections of your armies and move around the map. This is due to the huge defenders advantage that exists in TvT compared to other matchups.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 09 2012 23:15 GMT
#289
On October 10 2012 07:24 GolemMadness wrote:
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On October 10 2012 06:20 red4ce wrote:
On October 10 2012 05:32 renaissanceMAN wrote:
MVP will beat rain 3-1.

if Last can go 3-0 on rain before crumbling horribly (and last doesn't have half the macro skill MVP does) MVP will shit on him.


Back in 2010, Flash was in a situation very similar to what Rain is in right now. At the time Flash had qualified for both the OSL and MSL finals, and he was due to face a zerg in both. His opponent was Effort in the OSL and Jaedong in the MSL. Flash rolling over Effort, who had only barely gotten out of the group stage, was a foregone conclusion, and everyone was more concerned with hyping up the Flash vs Jaedong rematch of their infamous power outage series. Effort, however, had different plans and pulled off one of the most shocking upsets in Brood War history by coming back from down 0-2 and sweeping the rest of the series to take the OSL. Flash's aura of invincibility, buoyed by his astounding 80%+ winrate in TvZ the previous 10 months, was shattered. If Effort who was clearly inferior to Jaedong in every way could reel off 3 games against Flash then Jaedong surely would do even better right? Actually, Flash 3-0'd Jaedong in arguably the most lopsided series in their personal rivalry.

Now, replace Flash with Rain, Effort with Last and Jaedong with MVP. Look a little familiar? The details are a bit different but the prevailing mood is the same. We might be seeing a little bit of deja vu tonight. Or then again we might not. I'm not making a prediction here, and in fact I'd actually prefer a TvX finals over a PvX finals. I'm just saying that contrary to popular belief progamers are humans not robots and transitive property doesn't work in SC2.


Effort did get pretty lucky in those games, though. As I recall, it was like build order win, Flash moves out at the exact wrong second and gets surrounded, build order win.

not all build order wins are luck based. ask yourself, why did this guy choose this build, and why didn't the other guy respond.
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Flytothesky
Profile Joined April 2004
United States591 Posts
October 09 2012 23:15 GMT
#290
This semifinal is like a champions league; Real Madrid vs Barcelona, and Manchester United vs Chelsea.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 23:26:30
October 09 2012 23:25 GMT
#291
On October 10 2012 08:15 Flytothesky wrote:
This semifinal is like a champions league; Real Madrid vs Barcelona, and Manchester United vs Chelsea.

actually, there has been a trend in recent champions league seasons that the team that won was closest to getting eliminated in the semifinals.

08/09: barca vs chelsea semis, extremely close and lucky
09/10: inter was in control against bayern in the finals, but was on the brink of breaking apart and getting slaughtered 0-10 in the second leg of the semifinals at barcelona. they had something like 12% ball possession in that game.
10/11: barca had more trouble with real in the semis than with utd in the finals
11/12: ok, this time chelsea was outplayed to about the same degree by barca and bayern. and eliminated both of them, which still makes my heart bleed.

if we apply this comparison to tomorrows semifinals, it means that we are in for some sick series and the chances are not bad that one of these series will be better than the actual final. (which ofc is to be expected, considering that there are twice as many semifinal series than final series. )
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 09 2012 23:26 GMT
#292
On October 10 2012 08:15 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 07:24 GolemMadness wrote:
On October 10 2012 06:20 red4ce wrote:
On October 10 2012 05:32 renaissanceMAN wrote:
MVP will beat rain 3-1.

if Last can go 3-0 on rain before crumbling horribly (and last doesn't have half the macro skill MVP does) MVP will shit on him.


Back in 2010, Flash was in a situation very similar to what Rain is in right now. At the time Flash had qualified for both the OSL and MSL finals, and he was due to face a zerg in both. His opponent was Effort in the OSL and Jaedong in the MSL. Flash rolling over Effort, who had only barely gotten out of the group stage, was a foregone conclusion, and everyone was more concerned with hyping up the Flash vs Jaedong rematch of their infamous power outage series. Effort, however, had different plans and pulled off one of the most shocking upsets in Brood War history by coming back from down 0-2 and sweeping the rest of the series to take the OSL. Flash's aura of invincibility, buoyed by his astounding 80%+ winrate in TvZ the previous 10 months, was shattered. If Effort who was clearly inferior to Jaedong in every way could reel off 3 games against Flash then Jaedong surely would do even better right? Actually, Flash 3-0'd Jaedong in arguably the most lopsided series in their personal rivalry.

Now, replace Flash with Rain, Effort with Last and Jaedong with MVP. Look a little familiar? The details are a bit different but the prevailing mood is the same. We might be seeing a little bit of deja vu tonight. Or then again we might not. I'm not making a prediction here, and in fact I'd actually prefer a TvX finals over a PvX finals. I'm just saying that contrary to popular belief progamers are humans not robots and transitive property doesn't work in SC2.


Effort did get pretty lucky in those games, though. As I recall, it was like build order win, Flash moves out at the exact wrong second and gets surrounded, build order win.

not all build order wins are luck based. ask yourself, why did this guy choose this build, and why didn't the other guy respond.


It's always at least partially luck based. That's the nature of the game.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2012 23:32 GMT
#293
On October 10 2012 08:25 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 08:15 Flytothesky wrote:
This semifinal is like a champions league; Real Madrid vs Barcelona, and Manchester United vs Chelsea.

actually, there has been a trend in recent champions league seasons that the team that won was closest to getting eliminated in the semifinals.

haha, i guess we did have DRG-Gumiho and Seed-Byun this year in gsl (both pretty down in their series)
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
October 09 2012 23:34 GMT
#294
On October 10 2012 08:10 aintz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 08:00 opterown wrote:
you guys are all pretty hyped for this, 15 pages and still 10 hours to go!


i honestly think rain vs mvp will be bigger than the finals. no offense to the tl star taeja or the rising zerg life but they are basically irrelavent atm.

How the hell is TaeJa irrelevant. Lately TaeJa has been in the spotlight FAR more than MVP.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 09 2012 23:35 GMT
#295
On October 10 2012 08:34 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 08:10 aintz wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:00 opterown wrote:
you guys are all pretty hyped for this, 15 pages and still 10 hours to go!


i honestly think rain vs mvp will be bigger than the finals. no offense to the tl star taeja or the rising zerg life but they are basically irrelavent atm.

How the hell is TaeJa irrelevant. Lately TaeJa has been in the spotlight FAR more than MVP.

ehhh, i wouldn't say that.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 23:36:20
October 09 2012 23:35 GMT
#296
On October 10 2012 08:34 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 08:10 aintz wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:00 opterown wrote:
you guys are all pretty hyped for this, 15 pages and still 10 hours to go!


i honestly think rain vs mvp will be bigger than the finals. no offense to the tl star taeja or the rising zerg life but they are basically irrelavent atm.

How the hell is TaeJa irrelevant. Lately TaeJa has been in the spotlight FAR more than MVP.


yeah Taeja has been taking all of the foreigner's money lately, he won like 3 foreign premiers in the past 3 months?

On October 10 2012 08:35 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 08:34 ZAiNs wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:10 aintz wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:00 opterown wrote:
you guys are all pretty hyped for this, 15 pages and still 10 hours to go!


i honestly think rain vs mvp will be bigger than the finals. no offense to the tl star taeja or the rising zerg life but they are basically irrelavent atm.

How the hell is TaeJa irrelevant. Lately TaeJa has been in the spotlight FAR more than MVP.

ehhh, i wouldn't say that.


in foreign events he's definitely been in the spotlight more, just by sheer number of events he's been to. Mvp only went to IEM, and while he was in the spotlight there It's only one tournament vs 4 or 5.
Madder
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia427 Posts
October 09 2012 23:37 GMT
#297
Playing a semi-final a day after a semi-final? Go, Rain!

Hoping for more games than anything, 3-2 Rain.

3-1 TaeJa.
rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
October 09 2012 23:39 GMT
#298
Terran 3-0 Rain
Terran 3-0 Life
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 23:40:29
October 09 2012 23:39 GMT
#299
well, mvp has a damaged wrist, so he has to focus on few tournaments. kinda logical that he only focuses on the most prestigious ones... cant really hold that against him imho.

in general, i think that taeja's strength lies more in his super-solid standard play while mvp excels at preparing for a series. therefore, taeja is more suited for winning 1-3 day foreigner events that become a grindfest, while mvp is simply made for gsl/osl type of tournaments.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
October 09 2012 23:42 GMT
#300
On October 10 2012 08:35 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 08:34 ZAiNs wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:10 aintz wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:00 opterown wrote:
you guys are all pretty hyped for this, 15 pages and still 10 hours to go!


i honestly think rain vs mvp will be bigger than the finals. no offense to the tl star taeja or the rising zerg life but they are basically irrelavent atm.

How the hell is TaeJa irrelevant. Lately TaeJa has been in the spotlight FAR more than MVP.

ehhh, i wouldn't say that.

It's not long ago TaeJa was considered 'the best player' by a lot, and MVP hasn't done much since that period.
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