Dennis "Take" Gehlen opens up his home for a weekend of Starcraft action. Between 100 and 200 people will be hanging out at Take's place, enjoying drinks, homemade pizza, great Starcraft games, and tons of in-house entertainment, be it Fifa matches, or HOTS competitions on one of the four PCs dedicated to the new expansion.
Format Best of 11 Showmatch $500 Winner Takes All Hots & WoL
Players will be competing in both Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm in best of 11 showmatches with the winner of each day taking home 500 Euros.
Map Pool will be Blizzard/WCS maps for WOL, and the standard Beta ladder maps for HOTS.
Friday Start Time: Friday, Oct 05 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Scarlett had to cancel and is being replaced by Sage Sage vs Titan Sage < TBA > TitaN + Show Spoiler +
Interesting games for sure. Don't really see Titan beating Scarlett in a long series, but I do expect Luci to give the great american hope a run for his money.
Nerchio vs Nani is probably the most debatable matchup, I'll go with Naniwa here for no good reason really.
On October 05 2012 22:18 McBengt wrote: Interesting games for sure. Don't really see Titan beating Scarlett in a long series, but I do expect Luci to give the great american hope a run for his money.
Nerchio vs Nani is probably the most debatable matchup, I'll go with Naniwa here for no good reason really.
I love you if only for calling Stephano the "great american hope."
But yeah, I'm more excited about the prize for the winner than the matchups honestly. Scarlett takes hers, I'm going with the gut and betting Stephano, then Nerchio.
its so awesome! fun fact: this tournament is sponsored by donations from taketv viewers, because they already organised a homecraft for mlg but mlg decided not to have an offline event this weekend so they needed stuff to watch
People are just there to have fun I think, like it says in the OP. He wanted to watch MLG originally but they changed their schedule so he improvised these showmatches. I could be wrong ofc.
On October 06 2012 05:57 MBH wrote: People are just there to have fun I think, like it says in the OP. He wanted to watch MLG originally but they changed their schedule so he improvised these showmatches. I could be wrong ofc.
are there gonna be free VODs of this? won't be able to watch Stephano vs Lucifron live cause of work which is the one i wanna see the most outta these :/
Maybe it's not sc2 tagged then. I chose sc2 only when TL added Dota and almost missed an event that way, so I chose to show all. It's almost sc2 only anyway so it's no biggie.
Edit: In the sidebar settings down to the right under the calendar and stuff.
I'd be more excited to see Stephano vs Nerchio. These two are clearly the two best EU zergs at the moment and a Bo11 between them would be very intense.
While that might seem like the most bm thing ever, you should remember they are friends. It's like destiny and catz talking shit and remember it's a showmatch, so Stephano makes a show .
On October 07 2012 01:52 Crazyahmed wrote: not sure what the dynamic between both players is, but if we go by the book could Lucifron claim a mapwin?
you can say gg whenever you want but the game ends when one player leaves or his buildings are destroyed. There is no rule that says you cant type gg and not leave
I'll be very surprised if Lucifron can win a Bo11 against Stephano considering their recent record. Before this series it was 7-2, in Stephano's favour, over the last month or so.
This game is fantastic and the casting is good, but the observing needs to be stepped up a bit. Things being missed on the minimap, staying in certain places or unnecessary places too long etc.
Lucifron lost because he made the wrong army comp for lategame. The raven part is fine but you're supposed to have at least 10 thors in that composition, because they work really well with the ravens against both lategame zerg tech trees.
On October 07 2012 02:25 -_- wrote: dang, felt like luci played better that game. good thing we have plenty more games to look forward to :D
It felt like, but Stephano played amazing. He managed to engage just the perfect way(because Stephano truly is, more than anything else, the master of engagements), to break the PF line, and managed to flank PFS. WHO DOES THAT?
On October 07 2012 02:25 -_- wrote: dang, felt like luci played better that game. good thing we have plenty more games to look forward to :D
It felt like, but Stephano played amazing. He managed to engage just the perfect way(because Stephano truly is, more than anything else, the master of engagements), to break the PF line, and managed to flank PFS. WHO DOES THAT?
not hard when you have 30 minutes to prepare for it
On October 07 2012 02:22 Lylat wrote: Haha late game terran weak ?^^
Yes
We you do the raven overkill yes. That first fight was a landslide in his favor but he had sooo much ravens it took too much supply. He could easily have done the same thing with half the ravens.
lmao at Frodan's strategy of dragging out the series against Stephano to the point of Stephano wanting to go to sleep and no longer caring about winning
On October 07 2012 02:26 johnny123 wrote: i found lucifron should have got battlecruisers as well
It takes an incredibly long time for BCs to kill Ultralisks, it would have been as pitiful as the Ravens attempt at cleaning them up in a timely fashion before the production got camped.
On October 07 2012 02:26 johnny123 wrote: i found lucifron should have got battlecruisers as well
It takes an incredibly long time for BCs to kill Ultralisks, it would have been as pitiful as the Ravens attempt at cleaning them up in a timely fashion before the production got camped.
Cmon now, surely they're better against ultras than autoturrets are
On October 07 2012 02:26 johnny123 wrote: i found lucifron should have got battlecruisers as well
It takes an incredibly long time for BCs to kill Ultralisks, it would have been as pitiful as the Ravens attempt at cleaning them up in a timely fashion before the production got camped.
On October 07 2012 02:26 johnny123 wrote: i found lucifron should have got battlecruisers as well
It takes an incredibly long time for BCs to kill Ultralisks, it would have been as pitiful as the Ravens attempt at cleaning them up in a timely fashion before the production got camped.
Cmon now, surely they're better against ultras than autoturrets are
Actually auto Turrets are really good to obstruct Ultralisk movement. They will never kill the ultralisks but a few here a there will stop them from engaging your ground army.
On October 07 2012 03:10 Tuczniak wrote: What happened last game?
2 rax, failed bunker pressure, Lucifron builds 3 additional ccs at home, Stephano builds a shitton of roaches to counterattack, Luci then pulls all his SCVs in view of the ovie to confuse him, then goes home with them. Stephano says "I have no idea what's going on", attacks with the roaches anyway, Luci writes "I wanted you to build more lings" and then "gg" quickly afterwards.
could lucifron have fly a barrack (the top one) to the bottom empty space without noticing? this way he could have bring his svc back by the way around and then proceed on building the additional barrack
On October 07 2012 03:10 Tuczniak wrote: What happened last game?
2 rax, failed bunker pressure, Lucifron builds 3 additional ccs at home, Stephano builds a shitton of roaches to counterattack, Luci then pulls all his SCVs in view of the ovie to confuse him, then goes home with them. Stephano says "I have no idea what's going on", attacks with the roaches anyway, Luci writes "I wanted you to build more lings" and then "gg" quickly afterwards.
Felt like Lucifron's build there was really un-refined which is fair enough when you got nothing to lose but there was no window at any period he could of attacked
On October 07 2012 04:13 teumas wrote: Just curious, in what way is TakeTV involved with this? Are they just sponsoring the showmatches?
As far as I know Take sponsored the event, got the players and organized it in general. NASL just provided the cast. He did it for his Homecraft event which was planned to take during MLG Arena. With no Arena now he had to improvise.
On October 08 2012 01:15 sitromit wrote: What did they say? I just tuned in...
Nerchio said that he really respects NaNiwa for staying so long in Korea, to which NaNi responded that he doesn't have any respect for Nerchio whatsoever. Then it went like Ne: "it's ok, I don't need it :D", Na: "ok, I'm sure you're super happy with your life" Na: "gg gl". Later Nerchio also praised NaNi for his hardworking.
That midgame fight didn't go well for Nani. I'm not sure if it was right for him go mass blink stalker against mass lings. Mixing some zealots, archons or more colossus would be more effective.
On October 08 2012 01:54 Rhaegar_tar wrote: lol Naniwa tweeting that he improved a lot... guess not enough; Nerchio is playing with him(and some swedish fans thought he could beat Stephano -_-)
On October 08 2012 01:54 Rhaegar_tar wrote: lol Naniwa tweeting that he improved a lot... guess not enough; Nerchio is playing with him(and some swedish fans thought he could beat Stephano -_-)
He did improve a lot, however he's playing against the player that beat MC. So yeah, Nerchio's no slouch.
On October 08 2012 01:54 Rhaegar_tar wrote: lol Naniwa tweeting that he improved a lot... guess not enough; Nerchio is playing with him(and some swedish fans thought he could beat Stephano -_-)
He did improve a lot, however he's playing against the player that beat MC. So yeah, Nerchio's no slouch.
he also lost to Grubby so hes clearly not unbeatable in ZvP (unlike Stephano).
On October 08 2012 01:54 Rhaegar_tar wrote: lol Naniwa tweeting that he improved a lot... guess not enough; Nerchio is playing with him(and some swedish fans thought he could beat Stephano -_-)
He did improve a lot, however he's playing against the player that beat MC. So yeah, Nerchio's no slouch.
he also lost to Grubby so hes clearly not unbeatable in ZvP (unlike Stephano).
Stephano got pretty much raped by Mana at Dreamhack
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
On October 08 2012 01:54 Rhaegar_tar wrote: lol Naniwa tweeting that he improved a lot... guess not enough; Nerchio is playing with him(and some swedish fans thought he could beat Stephano -_-)
He did improve a lot, however he's playing against the player that beat MC. So yeah, Nerchio's no slouch.
he also lost to Grubby so hes clearly not unbeatable in ZvP (unlike Stephano).
Stephano got pretty much raped by Mana at Dreamhack
Meta game lose. And it took him a week to fix that and beat that build very easy at NASL vs Hero
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
Man, seriously. F*ck this match up.
I actually enjoy this matchup. Its all about knowing the match up well. A good protoss player will always confuse his zerg opponent at the same time do light pressure so the zerg cant drone much and then hit him with different timings. And a good zerg will know what the protoss player is doing and wont fall for fake pressure. Its almost like poker
On October 08 2012 01:54 Rhaegar_tar wrote: lol Naniwa tweeting that he improved a lot... guess not enough; Nerchio is playing with him(and some swedish fans thought he could beat Stephano -_-)
He did improve a lot, however he's playing against the player that beat MC. So yeah, Nerchio's no slouch.
he also lost to Grubby so hes clearly not unbeatable in ZvP (unlike Stephano).
Stephano got pretty much raped by Mana at Dreamhack
Meta game lose. And it took him a week to fix that and beat that build very easy at NASL vs Hero
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
Man, seriously. F*ck this match up.
Nothing to counter ultras? Am I reading this wrong or?
On October 08 2012 01:54 Rhaegar_tar wrote: lol Naniwa tweeting that he improved a lot... guess not enough; Nerchio is playing with him(and some swedish fans thought he could beat Stephano -_-)
He did improve a lot, however he's playing against the player that beat MC. So yeah, Nerchio's no slouch.
he also lost to Grubby so hes clearly not unbeatable in ZvP (unlike Stephano).
Stephano got pretty much raped by Mana at Dreamhack
Meta game lose. And it took him a week to fix that and beat that build very easy at NASL vs Hero
Still beatable ^^
Well Nerchio constantly loses to Titan/Fraer and seems beatable in the matchup, unlike Stephano who loses/lost to the best/metagamed.
On October 08 2012 01:54 Rhaegar_tar wrote: lol Naniwa tweeting that he improved a lot... guess not enough; Nerchio is playing with him(and some swedish fans thought he could beat Stephano -_-)
He did improve a lot, however he's playing against the player that beat MC. So yeah, Nerchio's no slouch.
he also lost to Grubby so hes clearly not unbeatable in ZvP (unlike Stephano).
Stephano got pretty much raped by Mana at Dreamhack
Meta game lose. And it took him a week to fix that and beat that build very easy at NASL vs Hero
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
Man, seriously. F*ck this match up.
I actually enjoy this matchup. Its all about knowing the match up well. A good protoss player will always confuse his zerg opponent at the same time do light pressure so the zerg cant drone much and then hit him with different timings. And a good zerg will know what the protoss player is doing and wont fall for fake pressure. Its almost like poker
except that one side has an inherent advantage LOL
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
Man, seriously. F*ck this match up.
Nothing to counter ultras? Am I reading this wrong or?
Nope, you read it right. But i meant Broodlords, of course .
On October 08 2012 01:54 Rhaegar_tar wrote: lol Naniwa tweeting that he improved a lot... guess not enough; Nerchio is playing with him(and some swedish fans thought he could beat Stephano -_-)
He did improve a lot, however he's playing against the player that beat MC. So yeah, Nerchio's no slouch.
he also lost to Grubby so hes clearly not unbeatable in ZvP (unlike Stephano).
Stephano got pretty much raped by Mana at Dreamhack
Meta game lose. And it took him a week to fix that and beat that build very easy at NASL vs Hero
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
Man, seriously. F*ck this match up.
I actually enjoy this matchup. Its all about knowing the match up well. A good protoss player will always confuse his zerg opponent at the same time do light pressure so the zerg cant drone much and then hit him with different timings. And a good zerg will know what the protoss player is doing and wont fall for fake pressure. Its almost like poker
Don't most Protoss just 2 base all-in? Or macro on 3/4 bases and wait for the mothership Vs BL/infestor battle? Light pressure doesn't seem to work much anymore since like your said, the zergs have figured it out.
Great idea wow, combining two of the best tournaments! I'm excited to see if a demotivated Naniwa vs Nerchio.
*edit* 5-0......shit. What I expected with my brain, but my heart wanted otherwise. ....NaNiWa get it back together MAN! Then you can do Bo11 vs Stephano for $5000.
On October 08 2012 02:25 Slardar wrote: Great idea wow, combining two of the best tournaments! I'm excited to see if a demotivated Naniwa vs Nerchio.
*edit* 5-0......shit. What I expected with my brain, but my heart wanted otherwise. ....NaNiWa get it back together MAN! Then you can do Bo11 vs Stephano for $5000.
Now that's just mean, he gets crushed by Nerchio and now you want him to play against Stephano?
Message for Take and the NASL dudes : why on earth did you make one of the best ZvP players play against one of the worst PvZ pro ? That was horrible and makes Naniwa looks way worst than he actually is.
Well, Naniwa should've sticked to his gimmicky play...now that he tries to play standard, his mechanical flaws shine most(not being able to macro properly at all...).
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
On October 08 2012 02:40 NovemberstOrm wrote: zvp isn't easy lol especially not at a level like nerchio's. good games by nerchio!
Work out Protoss is doing a 2 Base all-in, defend with ease because Roaches. Work out Protoss isn't doing a 2 Base all-in, win with ease because Brood Lords.
Seems easy to me.
Than you should play zerg and show us ZvP of yours.
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
Man, seriously. F*ck this match up.
Lol at Protoss has nothing to counter Ultras.
Try every unit
Or you can read what i read after and understand that i meant Broodlords.
On October 08 2012 02:39 Sated wrote: Meh, expected. ZvP is too easy for Zerg players and NaNiwa is bad at it in the first place. Nothing to learn from this.
On October 08 2012 02:40 NovemberstOrm wrote: zvp isn't easy lol especially not at a level like nerchio's. good games by nerchio!
Work out Protoss is doing a 2 Base all-in, defend with ease because Roaches. Work out Protoss isn't doing a 2 Base all-in, win with ease because Brood Lords.
Seems easy to me.
you are an idiot. Defending 2 base all ins is ridiculously hard if the Protoss knows how to force field. Also getting Broods is very hard with all the pre hive timings that destroy Zerg unless you build 3 millions spine crawlers and defend like a boss. Then once you get Broods 1 lucky vortex can lose you the game.
Playing against Protoss is like trying to throw a paper bag across a room.
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
Man, seriously. F*ck this match up.
Lol at Protoss has nothing to counter Ultras.
Try every unit
Or you can read what i read after and understand that i meant Broodlords.
ok then Mommaship, Archons, Stalkers, Voids and Carriers. Your choice.
Naniwa just does not know how to play vs zerg, it was just a bit sad to watch (and I like Naniwa, but this is no good). Anyway, you need a lot of archon vs zerg broodlord, and you need to stay on equal bases. Neither 3 base or stalker blink unders are enough anymore.
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
Man, seriously. F*ck this match up.
Lol at Protoss has nothing to counter Ultras.
Try every unit
Or you can read what i read after and understand that i meant Broodlords.
ok then Mommaship, Archons, Stalkers, Voids and Carriers. Your choice.
Mothership / Archon : Sure, it is good to call "counter" a unit which is only a counter if your opponent make a mistakes. In the last game, you saw Nerchio built some banelings so he didn't even have to split his broodlords. Stalkers : Lol. No. That's the only decent thing they have, but it's not a counter. Not at all. Carriers : I thought we all agreed that this unit was not worth mentionning EVER. The last time i saw it was in a Seed game. The time before ? One year ago. Void rays : What do you need to make Broodlords ? Corruptor. You know, that unit you have to make against Colossus and Motherships.
I'm not even a protoss player, i'm a terran players, and at least, we have some good options against zergs. Protoss have none.
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
Man, seriously. F*ck this match up.
Lol at Protoss has nothing to counter Ultras.
Try every unit
Or you can read what i read after and understand that i meant Broodlords.
ok then Mommaship, Archons, Stalkers, Voids and Carriers. Your choice.
Mothership / Archon : Sure, it is good to call "counter" a unit which is only a counter if your opponent make a mistakes. In the last game, you saw Nerchio built some banelings so he didn't even have to split his broodlords. Stalkers : Lol. No. That's the only decent thing they have, but it's not a counter. Not at all. Carriers : I thought we all agreed that this unit was not worth mentionning EVER. The last time i saw it was in a Seed game. The time before ? One year ago. Void rays : What do you need to make Broodlords ? Corruptor. You know, that unit you have to make against Colossus and Motherships.
I'm not even a protoss player, i'm a terran players, and at least, we have some good options against zergs. Protoss have none.
Yepp... thats the reason why zerg win every game.
@Carriers: Perhps start playing and watching SC2 again? I see carriers in almost every ZvP lategame. @ Void Rays: And what is the counter-unit to corrupters?
Maybe just stop talking about balance if you have no information about the current metagame.
i cant believe no one speaks about homestory cup... insane announcement! the dates are a bit weird just before christmas....
wednesday to saturday.. i have exams on wednesday and thursday, im gonna travel on friday home (actually bought flights today) and on saturday i go on vacation... im gonna miss everything TT
You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
I also agree and Mana said the same thing, but players like Life or Moon are quite fun to watch.
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong)
Aww I missed it all. I'm a bit surprised by the results.. I thought Naniwa would take a game or two, but Nerchio winning easily is no surprise. Naniwa has never impressed me in PvZ despite having a few good results in the matchup here and there.
On October 08 2012 03:14 Chicane wrote: Aww I missed it all. I'm a bit surprised by the results.. I thought Naniwa would take a game or two, but Nerchio winning easily is no surprise. Naniwa has never impressed me in PvZ despite having a few good results in the matchup here and there.
I thinkt his last "success" was 2-3 vs DRG in the last GSL Season. But tbh DRG is not the guy he was in the beginning of 2012.
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong)
Gratz Nerchio
Stephano is in another league above Nerchio. He has improved his ZvZ to the point where he is better at all three matchups.
Also how are Korean Zergs nothing special? DRG is a monster and has won many MLGs. Life just doesn't lose anymore coming in 2nd at TSL4 and destroying in the GSL and GSTL. Violet and Symbol are consistent high performers at MLGs and the later being a GSL boss as well. Hyun has been on an online rampage winning in countless online cups as well as 7 straight fight club wins.
Just because Zerg is not doing very well in Korea doesn't mean Korean Zergs are not good.
On October 08 2012 02:09 Supter wrote: Tbh, as a Terran player :
ZvP really is boring. ZvP is in an horrible state. Not talking about Naniwa who were never good in this match up (he was a beast in PvP and PvT), but i have the horrible impression that Protoss got nothing to counter Zerg's ultras.
It's either a passive game the protoss will end up losing or a two bases all-in which is boring to watch.
Man, seriously. F*ck this match up.
Lol at Protoss has nothing to counter Ultras.
Try every unit
Or you can read what i read after and understand that i meant Broodlords.
ok then Mommaship, Archons, Stalkers, Voids and Carriers. Your choice.
Mothership / Archon : Sure, it is good to call "counter" a unit which is only a counter if your opponent make a mistakes. In the last game, you saw Nerchio built some banelings so he didn't even have to split his broodlords. Stalkers : Lol. No. That's the only decent thing they have, but it's not a counter. Not at all. Carriers : I thought we all agreed that this unit was not worth mentionning EVER. The last time i saw it was in a Seed game. The time before ? One year ago. Void rays : What do you need to make Broodlords ? Corruptor. You know, that unit you have to make against Colossus and Motherships.
I'm not even a protoss player, i'm a terran players, and at least, we have some good options against zergs. Protoss have none.
Well it is obvious you have no clue what you are talking about, probably because you don't even play ZvP.
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong)
Gratz Nerchio
Yeah that's a bit of a stretch but Stephano really has the best mastery over lategame zerg, better than the korean zergs (I think better than life, symbol and hyun too). In terms of map awareness, army spread/positioning, infestor control, fungals, broodlord spread, engagements, flanking and knowing when and when not to attack, Stephano is the best. Some zergs can do all those sometimes, but that is in the dna of Stephano's gameplay. He will always prespread his BLs, he will always try to sneak in 2 burrowed infestors so that infested terrans can absorb tank fire, he will always engage with a two or three prong flank.
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong)
Gratz Nerchio
Yeah that's a bit of a stretch but Stephano really has the best mastery over lategame zerg, better than the korean zergs (I think better than life, symbol and hyun too). In terms of map awareness, army spread/positioning, infestor control, fungals, broodlord spread, engagements, flanking and knowing when and when not to attack, Stephano is the best. Some zergs can do all those sometimes, but that is in the dna of Stephano's gameplay. He will always prespread his BLs, he will always try to sneak in 2 burrowed infestors so that infested terrans can absorb tank fire, he will always engage with a two or three prong flank.
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong)
Gratz Nerchio
Stephano is in another league above Nerchio. He has improved his ZvZ to the point where he is better at all three matchups.
get real. Both Stephano and Nerchio are invited to code S. The gap is not that big, and its too early to say Stephano fixed his ZvZ for good. I agree Stephano has better mechanics and is probbably more consistent. I do enjoy Nerchios play more though. His smart play and metagaming is really fun to watch.
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong)
Gratz Nerchio
Stephano is in another league above Nerchio. He has improved his ZvZ to the point where he is better at all three matchups.
get real. Both Stephano and Nerchio are invited to code S. The gap is not that big, and its too early to say Stephano fixed his ZvZ for good. I agree Stephano has better mechanics and is probbably more consistent. I do enjoy Nerchios play more though. His smart play and metagaming is really fun to watch.
The gap isn't huge but it is hard to deny there is a gap. Also Nerchio is very unlikable as a person while Stephano is the opposite (not important to some people but it is to me).
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong)
Gratz Nerchio
Stephano is in another league above Nerchio. He has improved his ZvZ to the point where he is better at all three matchups.
get real. Both Stephano and Nerchio are invited to code S. The gap is not that big, and its too early to say Stephano fixed his ZvZ for good. I agree Stephano has better mechanics and is probbably more consistent. I do enjoy Nerchios play more though. His smart play and metagaming is really fun to watch.
Stephano has won around 5 times what Nerchio did...so the gap is pretty much huge.
And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish...
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong)
Gratz Nerchio
Stephano is in another league above Nerchio. He has improved his ZvZ to the point where he is better at all three matchups.
get real. Both Stephano and Nerchio are invited to code S. The gap is not that big, and its too early to say Stephano fixed his ZvZ for good. I agree Stephano has better mechanics and is probbably more consistent. I do enjoy Nerchios play more though. His smart play and metagaming is really fun to watch.
Stephano has won around 5 times what Nerchio did...so the gap is pretty much huge.
And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish...
Around three times. Also Idra has won about three times as much as Symbol and given the fact, that he is about three times as good as Symbol, money seems to be a pretty legit argument to determine skill. (Source)
No, seriously, Nerchio pretty much only attends european evevnts until now, that is the reason he is so far behind Stephano. Plus the event he got final apperiances ( HSC, IEM) aren´t as top-heavy as the ones, stephano placed well in.
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong)
Gratz Nerchio
Stephano is in another league above Nerchio. He has improved his ZvZ to the point where he is better at all three matchups.
get real. Both Stephano and Nerchio are invited to code S. The gap is not that big, and its too early to say Stephano fixed his ZvZ for good. I agree Stephano has better mechanics and is probbably more consistent. I do enjoy Nerchios play more though. His smart play and metagaming is really fun to watch.
Stephano has won around 5 times what Nerchio did...so the gap is pretty much huge.
And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish...
And you're french... doesn't it make you biased too?
I think there is a gap in skill between them, but it's silly to say it's huge. Take a look at TLPD's win percentage. Stephano has 68% and Nerchio is at 67%
On October 08 2012 03:03 -_- wrote: You know, I think Nerchio and Stephano are better than Korean Zergs. I think too many Korean Zergs are too aggressive during late lair tech or while morphing their hive.
right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right.
Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong)
Gratz Nerchio
Stephano is in another league above Nerchio. He has improved his ZvZ to the point where he is better at all three matchups.
get real. Both Stephano and Nerchio are invited to code S. The gap is not that big, and its too early to say Stephano fixed his ZvZ for good. I agree Stephano has better mechanics and is probbably more consistent. I do enjoy Nerchios play more though. His smart play and metagaming is really fun to watch.
The gap isn't huge but it is hard to deny there is a gap. Also Nerchio is very unlikable as a person while Stephano is the opposite (not important to some people but it is to me).
On October 08 2012 06:44 Rhaegar_tar wrote: And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish...
what a stupid thing to say from a French person. dumbest post of the month is yours i guess
I dunno, yours seemed a good contender for worst post of the year...
Why is that stupid? Every reasonable person would agree that Stephano is way better than Nerchio both as a "character" and skill-wise, it would take a huge amount of bias to deny it...and don't consider it as an insult as i blamed your "patriotism" rather than your intelligence.
On October 08 2012 06:44 Rhaegar_tar wrote: And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish...
what a stupid thing to say from a French person. dumbest post of the month is yours i guess
I dunno, yours seemed a good contender for worst post of the year...
Why is that stupid? Every reasonable person would agree that Stephano is way better than Nerchio both as a "character" and skill-wise, it would take a huge amount of bias to deny it...and don't consider it as an insult as i blamed your "patriotism" rather than your intelligence.
I don't see why you would be proud to have Nerchio come from your country.
On October 08 2012 07:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Why is that stupid?
Dunno, probably because a French guy berating a Polish guy for homerism in a discussion involving a comparison between a Polish player and a French player is a prime example of pot calling kettle black? :>
On October 08 2012 06:44 Rhaegar_tar wrote: And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish...
what a stupid thing to say from a French person. dumbest post of the month is yours i guess
I dunno, yours seemed a good contender for worst post of the year...
Why is that stupid? Every reasonable person would agree that Stephano is way better than Nerchio both as a "character" and skill-wise, it would take a huge amount of bias to deny it...and don't consider it as an insult as i blamed your "patriotism" rather than your intelligence.
I don't see why you would be proud to have Nerchio come from your country.
oh, now i do understand - you meant league ahead in terms of behaviour!
Funny thing is, you french and french canadian guys defend Stephanos "waaaaaaaaaaaaaay betterism" like your independence (or even more...) and then talk about patriotism :/ read my 1st post again maybe you didnt get it, or better notice that its only you (french guys) who felt so offended by this post. Sad.
On October 08 2012 07:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Why is that stupid?
Dunno, probably because a French guy berating a Polish guy for homerism in a discussion involving a comparison between a Polish player and a French player is a prime example of pot calling kettle black? :>
i dont think he will get it... besides you are polish
On October 08 2012 06:44 Rhaegar_tar wrote: And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish...
what a stupid thing to say from a French person. dumbest post of the month is yours i guess
I dunno, yours seemed a good contender for worst post of the year...
Why is that stupid? Every reasonable person would agree that Stephano is way better than Nerchio both as a "character" and skill-wise, it would take a huge amount of bias to deny it...and don't consider it as an insult as i blamed your "patriotism" rather than your intelligence.
Your posts are just dumb Im sorry. He never said that Stephano is worse than Nerchio or on the same level. He just thinks that theres no huuuuugeeee gap in skill between these two players and I admit in that. Stephano is still more accurate than Nerchio but they both had great results and they are on top in foreigner list.
Your posts are dumb because u act like a blind fanboy. We are talking about skill level in game and u brought useful information about who is better character and stuff like "because u are Polish" is just ridiculous.
and yes Im Polish so you won a battle but u still surrender because u are French.
On October 08 2012 07:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Why is that stupid?
Dunno, probably because a French guy berating a Polish guy for homerism in a discussion involving a comparison between a Polish player and a French player is a prime example of pot calling kettle black? :>
I'll explain my position to you since you seemingly have some comprehension issues:
Let's say i'm jamaican and you're an american guy claiming that "Tyson gay" is the best sprinter of all times, Does me saying that Usain Bolt is actually the greatest make me some kind of patriotic shit because the discussion involves a jamaican and an american sprinter?
The answer is no(since it's a general consensus that Usain is vastly superior to Tyson due to their respective achievments) and you should be ashamed for making a comparison between them.
On October 08 2012 07:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Why is that stupid?
Dunno, probably because a French guy berating a Polish guy for homerism in a discussion involving a comparison between a Polish player and a French player is a prime example of pot calling kettle black? :>
I'll explain my position to you since you seemingly have some comprehension issues:
Let's say i'm jamaican and you're an american guy claiming that "Tyson gay" is the best sprinter of all times, Does me saying that Usain Bolt is actually the greatest make me some kind of patriotic shit because the discussion involves a jamaican and an american sprinter?
The answer is no(since it's a general consensus that Usain is vastly superior to Tyson due to their respective achievments) and you should be ashamed for making a comparison between them.
Got it?
1. Tyson is gay? wow 2. How am i not ashamed by comparing 1st and 2nd best foreign zergs?! That makes me a blind patriotic fan! oh wait...
On October 08 2012 07:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Why is that stupid?
Dunno, probably because a French guy berating a Polish guy for homerism in a discussion involving a comparison between a Polish player and a French player is a prime example of pot calling kettle black? :>
I'll explain my position to you since you seemingly have some comprehension issues:
Let's say i'm jamaican and you're an american guy claiming that "Tyson gay" is the best sprinter of all times, Does me saying that Usain Bolt is actually the greatest make me some kind of patriotic shit because the discussion involves a jamaican and an american sprinter?
The answer is no(since it's a general consensus that Usain is vastly superior to Tyson due to their respective achievments) and you should be ashamed for making a comparison between them.
Got it?
1. Tyson is gay? wow 2. How am i not ashamed by comparing 1st and 2nd best foreign zergs?! That makes me a blind patriotic fan! oh wait...
Stop trolling plz
Tyson Gay is a USA track and field athlete, I believe you misread and may have missed his point.
These show matches were fun to watch. Definitely thought Naniwa would have done better, though he seemed on tilt after the first couple losses which is unfortunate.
Oh come on... Nobody said anything about Nerchio being better than Stephano! You french/canadian guys started this by claiming that "there's a huge gap between them"...
Some polish people argued against that here's my example: "And you're french... doesn't it make you biased too?
I think there is a gap in skill between them, but it's silly to say it's huge. Take a look at TLPD's win percentage. Stephano has 68% and Nerchio is at 67%"
Then you guys proceed to blame us for patriotism at the same time being biased as hell? WTF?
On October 08 2012 06:44 Rhaegar_tar wrote: And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish...
what a stupid thing to say from a French person. dumbest post of the month is yours i guess
I dunno, yours seemed a good contender for worst post of the year...
Why is that stupid? Every reasonable person would agree that Stephano is way better than Nerchio both as a "character" and skill-wise, it would take a huge amount of bias to deny it...and don't consider it as an insult as i blamed your "patriotism" rather than your intelligence.
I don't see why you would be proud to have Nerchio come from your country.
I don't know about you man, but i wouldn't be proud if a player from Poland got drunk, puked, got arrested, puked in Korea again, and creates drama all the time...
On October 08 2012 07:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Why is that stupid?
Dunno, probably because a French guy berating a Polish guy for homerism in a discussion involving a comparison between a Polish player and a French player is a prime example of pot calling kettle black? :>
I'll explain my position to you since you seemingly have some comprehension issues:
Let's say i'm jamaican and you're an american guy claiming that "Tyson gay" is the best sprinter of all times, Does me saying that Usain Bolt is actually the greatest make me some kind of patriotic shit because the discussion involves a jamaican and an american sprinter?
The answer is no(since it's a general consensus that Usain is vastly superior to Tyson due to their respective achievments) and you should be ashamed for making a comparison between them.
Got it?
1. Tyson is gay? wow 2. How am i not ashamed by comparing 1st and 2nd best foreign zergs?! That makes me a blind patriotic fan! oh wait...
Stop trolling plz
Lol why am i even trying..-_-
EDIT: to the guy talking about win percentages, it's easy to have a high win percentage when most of the tourneys you enter are ZOTACs...
On October 08 2012 07:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Why is that stupid?
Dunno, probably because a French guy berating a Polish guy for homerism in a discussion involving a comparison between a Polish player and a French player is a prime example of pot calling kettle black? :>
I'll explain my position to you since you seemingly have some comprehension issues:
Let's say i'm jamaican and you're an american guy claiming that "Tyson gay" is the best sprinter of all times, Does me saying that Usain Bolt is actually the greatest make me some kind of patriotic shit because the discussion involves a jamaican and an american sprinter?
The answer is no(since it's a general consensus that Usain is vastly superior to Tyson due to their respective achievments) and you should be ashamed for making a comparison between them.
Got it?
Sound comparison. Clearly:
* character differences are as clearly quantifiable as track results * the position of Stefano among SC2 players is akin to that of Usain Bolt among runners * claims about the size of a skill gap are as easy to define as the relative positions of runners in world rankings
Therefore, I have no choice but to succumb to your well-rounded and unshakeable arguments. Well done, good sir!
On October 08 2012 07:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Why is that stupid?
Dunno, probably because a French guy berating a Polish guy for homerism in a discussion involving a comparison between a Polish player and a French player is a prime example of pot calling kettle black? :>
I'll explain my position to you since you seemingly have some comprehension issues:
Let's say i'm jamaican and you're an american guy claiming that "Tyson gay" is the best sprinter of all times, Does me saying that Usain Bolt is actually the greatest make me some kind of patriotic shit because the discussion involves a jamaican and an american sprinter?
The answer is no(since it's a general consensus that Usain is vastly superior to Tyson due to their respective achievments) and you should be ashamed for making a comparison between them.
Got it?
Sound comparison. Clearly:
* character differences are as clearly quantifiable as track results * the position of Stefano among SC2 players is akin to that of Usain Bolt among runners * claims about the size of a skill gap are as easy to define as the relative positions of runners in world rankings
Therefore, I have no choice but to succumb to your well-rounded and unshakeable arguments. Well done, good sir!
I'll make it easy for you:
*I was talking about skill and achievements(you can check my posts)... *Stephano's position among foreign sc2 players is akin to that of Usain Bolt among runners, to some extent... *Well, there are tourney placements(and prizemoney) and guess what, we got the same thing for runners.
On October 08 2012 06:44 Rhaegar_tar wrote: And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish...
what a stupid thing to say from a French person. dumbest post of the month is yours i guess
I dunno, yours seemed a good contender for worst post of the year...
Why is that stupid? Every reasonable person would agree that Stephano is way better than Nerchio both as a "character" and skill-wise, it would take a huge amount of bias to deny it...and don't consider it as an insult as i blamed your "patriotism" rather than your intelligence.
I don't see why you would be proud to have Nerchio come from your country.
oh, now i do understand - you meant league ahead in terms of behaviour!
Funny thing is, you french and french canadian guys defend Stephanos "waaaaaaaaaaaaaay betterism" like your independence (or even more...) and then talk about patriotism :/ read my 1st post again maybe you didnt get it, or better notice that its only you (french guys) who felt so offended by this post. Sad.
I am not french Canadian. I live in Halton, Ontario.
Also don't put me in with the other guy who talked about you being Polish because I disagree on that regard.
Every reasonable person would agree that Stephano is way better than Nerchio both as a "character" (...)
Why do I even bother...? :/
Do you have reading issues?
In this sentence there is the word "both", which indicates that there are two different things i'mma speak about, the first was indeed "character" but i also spoke about results, prizemoney...
Sorry for thinking that your patriotism was the reason you spouted nosense, i should've questioned your intelligence instead. My bad.
I like Nani, but I really dislike his comments toward Nerchio. Nerchio seems to be a really nice guy and an amazing player, and it is very hard to disrespect him on anything. Even though most likely he said the things he said because he lost 0-6, it still isn't acceptable. On an other note, I would love to see the games, but I missed them T.T
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