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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On October 08 2012 03:07 marmuc wrote: right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right. I also agree and Mana said the same thing, but players like Life or Moon are quite fun to watch. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On October 08 2012 03:07 marmuc wrote: right? korean zergs are nothing special, they don't do well in tournaments, meanwhile nerchio and stephano are freaking monsters and owning everything left and right. Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong) Gratz Nerchio  | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On October 08 2012 03:14 Chicane wrote: Aww I missed it all. I'm a bit surprised by the results.. I thought Naniwa would take a game or two, but Nerchio winning easily is no surprise. Naniwa has never impressed me in PvZ despite having a few good results in the matchup here and there. I thinkt his last "success" was 2-3 vs DRG in the last GSL Season. But tbh DRG is not the guy he was in the beginning of 2012. | ||
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Doubting
Canada981 Posts
On October 08 2012 03:12 JoeCool wrote: Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong) Gratz Nerchio Stephano is in another league above Nerchio. He has improved his ZvZ to the point where he is better at all three matchups. Also how are Korean Zergs nothing special? DRG is a monster and has won many MLGs. Life just doesn't lose anymore coming in 2nd at TSL4 and destroying in the GSL and GSTL. Violet and Symbol are consistent high performers at MLGs and the later being a GSL boss as well. Hyun has been on an online rampage winning in countless online cups as well as 7 straight fight club wins. Just because Zerg is not doing very well in Korea doesn't mean Korean Zergs are not good. | ||
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Doubting
Canada981 Posts
On October 08 2012 02:53 Supter wrote: Mothership / Archon : Sure, it is good to call "counter" a unit which is only a counter if your opponent make a mistakes. In the last game, you saw Nerchio built some banelings so he didn't even have to split his broodlords. Stalkers : Lol. No. That's the only decent thing they have, but it's not a counter. Not at all. Carriers : I thought we all agreed that this unit was not worth mentionning EVER. The last time i saw it was in a Seed game. The time before ? One year ago. Void rays : What do you need to make Broodlords ? Corruptor. You know, that unit you have to make against Colossus and Motherships. I'm not even a protoss player, i'm a terran players, and at least, we have some good options against zergs. Protoss have none. Well it is obvious you have no clue what you are talking about, probably because you don't even play ZvP. | ||
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lannisport
878 Posts
On October 08 2012 03:12 JoeCool wrote: Well nothing special is maybe a bit "too much" but it´s true. Nerchio and Stephano are probably the strongest Zs out there. With Stephano beeing better in ZvT and ZvP and Nerchio in ZvZ. And like I said in his Fanclub, he (nerchio) isn´t even a full-time-pro as far as I know. (I might be wrong) Gratz Nerchio Yeah that's a bit of a stretch but Stephano really has the best mastery over lategame zerg, better than the korean zergs (I think better than life, symbol and hyun too). In terms of map awareness, army spread/positioning, infestor control, fungals, broodlord spread, engagements, flanking and knowing when and when not to attack, Stephano is the best. Some zergs can do all those sometimes, but that is in the dna of Stephano's gameplay. He will always prespread his BLs, he will always try to sneak in 2 burrowed infestors so that infested terrans can absorb tank fire, he will always engage with a two or three prong flank. | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
On October 08 2012 03:33 lannisport wrote: Yeah that's a bit of a stretch but Stephano really has the best mastery over lategame zerg, better than the korean zergs (I think better than life, symbol and hyun too). In terms of map awareness, army spread/positioning, infestor control, fungals, broodlord spread, engagements, flanking and knowing when and when not to attack, Stephano is the best. Some zergs can do all those sometimes, but that is in the dna of Stephano's gameplay. He will always prespread his BLs, he will always try to sneak in 2 burrowed infestors so that infested terrans can absorb tank fire, he will always engage with a two or three prong flank. But can he neural like Leenock?  | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On October 08 2012 03:33 SinCitta wrote: Respect for NaNiWa for playing the series out. And of course, congratz to Nerchio. What? Respect for finishing a series he agreed to play? That should be expected, not respected. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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get in there
United Kingdom67 Posts
On October 07 2012 22:59 Psyclon wrote: 6:0 win for Nerchio incoming! Nostradamus | ||
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mijagi182
Poland797 Posts
On October 08 2012 03:20 Doubting wrote: Stephano is in another league above Nerchio. He has improved his ZvZ to the point where he is better at all three matchups. get real. Both Stephano and Nerchio are invited to code S. The gap is not that big, and its too early to say Stephano fixed his ZvZ for good. I agree Stephano has better mechanics and is probbably more consistent. I do enjoy Nerchios play more though. His smart play and metagaming is really fun to watch. | ||
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
Stephanos ZvZ is still very good. | ||
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Doubting
Canada981 Posts
On October 08 2012 06:19 mijagi182 wrote: get real. Both Stephano and Nerchio are invited to code S. The gap is not that big, and its too early to say Stephano fixed his ZvZ for good. I agree Stephano has better mechanics and is probbably more consistent. I do enjoy Nerchios play more though. His smart play and metagaming is really fun to watch. The gap isn't huge but it is hard to deny there is a gap. Also Nerchio is very unlikable as a person while Stephano is the opposite (not important to some people but it is to me). | ||
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Rhaegar_tar
France847 Posts
On October 08 2012 06:19 mijagi182 wrote: get real. Both Stephano and Nerchio are invited to code S. The gap is not that big, and its too early to say Stephano fixed his ZvZ for good. I agree Stephano has better mechanics and is probbably more consistent. I do enjoy Nerchios play more though. His smart play and metagaming is really fun to watch. Stephano has won around 5 times what Nerchio did...so the gap is pretty much huge. And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish... | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On October 08 2012 06:44 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Stephano has won around 5 times what Nerchio did...so the gap is pretty much huge. And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish... Around three times. Also Idra has won about three times as much as Symbol and given the fact, that he is about three times as good as Symbol, money seems to be a pretty legit argument to determine skill. (Source) No, seriously, Nerchio pretty much only attends european evevnts until now, that is the reason he is so far behind Stephano. Plus the event he got final apperiances ( HSC, IEM) aren´t as top-heavy as the ones, stephano placed well in. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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5ukkub
Poland507 Posts
On October 08 2012 06:44 Rhaegar_tar wrote: Stephano has won around 5 times what Nerchio did...so the gap is pretty much huge. And okay i can understand your argument now, you're polish... And you're french... doesn't it make you biased too? I think there is a gap in skill between them, but it's silly to say it's huge. Take a look at TLPD's win percentage. Stephano has 68% and Nerchio is at 67% | ||
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mijagi182
Poland797 Posts
On October 08 2012 06:43 Doubting wrote: The gap isn't huge but it is hard to deny there is a gap. Also Nerchio is very unlikable as a person while Stephano is the opposite (not important to some people but it is to me). where did i deny that stephano is better? | ||
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