The time has come for the Premier group matches of the IGN Pro Team League!
Group B Schedule: LG-IM vs StarTale - September 12 Prime vs TSL - September 19 LG-IM vs Prime - September 26 StarTale vs TSL - October 3 StarTale vs Prime - October 10 LG-IM vs TSL - October 17
When: Wednesday, Sep 26 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
Premier Division Group A is made up of four teams: Team Liquid, SlayerS, MVP, and Evil Geniuses. Group B contains LG-Incredible Miracle, StarTale, Prime, and TSL. Both groups will play round robin against each other team in their group. When group stages are over, the top two teams from each Group will play in a playoff for the $9,000 first prize!
Horror < Whirlwind > Bboong First < Entombed Valley > Bboong First < Antiga Shipyard > Maru First < Ohana > MarineKing First < Daybreak > Creator First < Cloud Kingdom > ByuN
fenix is still on IM? lol anyways IM will take it 5-1 or 5-2. With yonghwa being a beast recently,losira who has always been a beast in teamleague and seed having nothing else to do i dont see prime winning this. I think IM can snipe creator and if mkp comes out you just send mvp. 5-2 at max for IM
a lot of it is going to come down to how much damage Creator can do I think. His biggest challenge on IM should be Seed but I think he could beat anyone else
Rooting for IM as always but I can't honestly say I'll be sad if Prime takes this. I'm kind of hoping it will go down to the last game just so I have a higher chance of seeing all the players I like.
On September 27 2012 08:17 leandroqm wrote: First this soon? wow... LGIM are not kidding around...
Tbh, First is only like IM's 6th best player.
Mvp Seed YongHwa NesTea Happy First?
First>Happy, Nestea is in a HUGE slump, and MVP is known for being a poor team league player. Still, Seed, Yonghwa, MC, and maybe Losira are probably better than him.
On September 27 2012 08:24 Talionis wrote: What race does Lucy play?
Is anything known about him?
lucy is a 16yo protoss, good friend of creator's made the code a qualifier finals on his first try, lost 2-1 to dream apparently he's pretty good
Oh, yeah, I remember hearing about that. That's cool, having more good protoss' is always nice.
First is totally top 4 IM player >_>
MVP Seed Yonghwa First
You could make the case that Yoda's probably really high up in the internal rankings with all the support that IM players give him, or LosirA. MC too, if you want to include the whole IM-SK partnership. and IDK about Happy, he always looks lackluster in the games I watch of him.
Let us see how many ppl actually have the same preferences
0: MIN CHUL! (kidding he's prob after MVP) 1: MVP 2: Seed 3: NesTea 4: Happy 5: YongHwa 6: First 7: Losira 8: YoDa 9: horror 10: dreamertt
I rate GSL performances a bit higher than international/online leagues though. Kinda good when it counts. Otherwise NesTea and Happy should be a bit lower.
IM is one of those incredible rare teams that manages to have a wide variety of players in terms of number and races, and in terms of sheer skill and accomplishment.
On September 27 2012 09:19 Waxangel wrote: First is the Proto-elephant...
I dub him the Mastodon
Hmm. Is he really? What about ForGG? Or do we not discuss him any more unless it is to talk about HotBid's posting frequency in a certain article just after he broke into Code A?
On September 27 2012 09:14 PhoenixVoid wrote: IM is one of those incredible rare teams that manages to have a wide variety of players in terms of number and races, and in terms of sheer skill and accomplishment.
The team has an incredible amount of depth and for all the flak the lesser accomplished players get, Ready, True, Horror etc have all had really good sets and contributed to team leagues and the general practice enviroment. Everyone currently on the team has at the very least qualified for code A this season. I really wish we could get a mini documentary on what life is like in the IM house and see more interaction between the members who live there.
the difference between guys like forgg, nada etc and mvp, first etc is that the former group retired from starcraft altogether, while the latter made a transition.
On September 27 2012 09:14 PhoenixVoid wrote: IM is one of those incredible rare teams that manages to have a wide variety of players in terms of number and races, and in terms of sheer skill and accomplishment.
On September 27 2012 09:14 PhoenixVoid wrote: IM is one of those incredible rare teams that manages to have a wide variety of players in terms of number and races, and in terms of sheer skill and accomplishment.
The team has an incredible amount of depth and for all the flak the lesser accomplished players get, Ready, True, Horror etc have all had really good sets and contributed to team leagues and the general practice enviroment. Everyone currently on the team has at the very least qualified for code A this season. I really wish we could get a mini documentary on what life is like in the IM house and see more interaction between the members who live there.
What? There are plenty of IM in Code B currently. And if you are talking about overall, you forgot about Yonghwa. Although his 2 all kills certainly shows he is capable. But he just seems to have a mental block/bad luck in the prelim finals...
It is always so painful seeing such skilled players like Creator and First display all this, yet not manage to make it through Code S, or even Code A. Oh, the struggle that GSL is.
On September 27 2012 09:19 Waxangel wrote: First is the Proto-elephant...
I dub him the Mastodon
clarify what this means please
First is a former kespa player that switched over before the rest of kespa and joined IM
He shouldn't really count as an elephant though, seeing that he was 1-9 in his BW career or something. By that standard, MC would also count as an elephant. Elephants are supposed to be players who actually did well/amazingly in BW who will supposedly dominate the SC2 scene in the future. First would fall into the "farce competition" category that the article mentioned.
On September 27 2012 09:19 Waxangel wrote: First is the Proto-elephant...
I dub him the Mastodon
clarify what this means please
First is a former kespa player that switched over before the rest of kespa and joined IM
He shouldn't really count as an elephant though, seeing that he was 1-9 in his BW career or something. By that standard, MC would also count as an elephant. Elephants are supposed to be players who actually did well/amazingly in BW who will supposedly dominate the SC2 scene in the future. First would fall into the "farce competition" category that the article mentioned.
anyppi was 1-10 in official games, but he was still really good tbh then again i might just be biased for kt toss <3
On September 27 2012 09:14 PhoenixVoid wrote: IM is one of those incredible rare teams that manages to have a wide variety of players in terms of number and races, and in terms of sheer skill and accomplishment.
The team has an incredible amount of depth and for all the flak the lesser accomplished players get, Ready, True, Horror etc have all had really good sets and contributed to team leagues and the general practice enviroment. Everyone currently on the team has at the very least qualified for code A this season. I really wish we could get a mini documentary on what life is like in the IM house and see more interaction between the members who live there.
What? There are plenty of IM in Code B currently. And if you are talking about overall, you forgot about Yonghwa. Although his 2 all kills certainly shows he is capable. But he just seems to have a mental block/bad luck in the prelim finals...
I just meant that everyone on their team has accomplished something this year ( even if it's just getting into code A) not that the whole team was either in code S or A atm. All in all the team's various members even including Fenix are doing well this year.
YongHwa makes my heart hurt for every time he gets to a code a qualifier finals and dies However he's had his shining moments in other places which helps heal the pain.
On September 27 2012 09:27 Waxangel wrote: dunno, forgg can be the mammoth
Why is Rain arguably better in skill then ForGG yet ForGG has played SC2 for much longer?
Because all forgg does is 1-1-1 against every race and doesn't know how to play on 3 base or more because he wins all his games on 2 base or he GGs before going on 3 base for long. His ladder play is exactly like his tournament play as shown over and over.
His series against taeja showed how inexperienced he is on 3 bases or more. He could have saved his third and continue to turtle on 3 base as he had the superior army compared to taeja in game 5. Instead he chooses to sac it and go all in. He just doesn't practice anything besides 1-1-1 and 2 base play. Forgg's peak was his gsl debut where he looked great. It's been downhill ever since.
On September 27 2012 09:27 Waxangel wrote: dunno, forgg can be the mammoth
Why is Rain arguably better in skill then ForGG yet ForGG has played SC2 for much longer?
Because all forgg does is 1-1-1 against every race and doesn't know how to play on 3 base or more because he wins all his games on 2 base or he GGs before going on 3 base for long. His ladder play is exactly like his tournament play as shown over and over.
His series against taeja showed how inexperienced he is on 3 bases or more. He could have saved his third and continue to turtle on 3 base as he had the superior army compared to taeja in game 5. Instead he chooses to sac it and go all in. He just doesn't practice anything besides 1-1-1 and 2 base play. Forgg's peak was his gsl debut where he looked great. It's been downhill ever since.
he was actually famous for this kind of thing in bw
On September 27 2012 09:33 zyzq wrote: I can't see IM ever losing in team league again
yaaah, but they find a way
Maybe the coach will eventually realize sending out horror and dreamertt isn't a good strategy
Isn't that exactly what people said about first/yonghwa and seed before? I think the IM coach knows perfectly what he does and considering the current results i say it payed off.
I understand the Mastodon in the Room point of view concerning First. However, that would only be true of contemporaries of Boxer, Nada and possibly July. The mastodon pre-dates the elephant; the elephants of course are the KeSPA pros. So the analogy holds up in the sense that the mastodon, in this case First, pre-dates the elephants in SC2. However, mastodons also pre-dates elephants as such, so for First to be a true mastodon he would have to have been around for longer in general than the KeSPhAnts.
I am not sure that we can find a conclusive, historically accurate representation within the pachydermata for the phenomenon of what we are trying to portray here. Perhaps the mammoth would be better, as it still exists in potentia (thus allowing the analogy to be used more freely if not exactly accurately) and would qualify as being older than the elephant.
I am however not convinced that the elephantidea family will be sufficient for categorizing the phenomenons observed in the professional StarCraft scene. Perhaps another genus should be investigated to see if it can bear better fruits?
On September 27 2012 09:33 zyzq wrote: I can't see IM ever losing in team league again
yaaah, but they find a way
Maybe the coach will eventually realize sending out horror and dreamertt isn't a good strategy
Isn't that exactly what people said about first/yonghwa and seed before? I think the IM coach knows perfectly what he does and considering the current results i say it payed off.
dreamertt 2-0 MMA recently too :D IM coach got all his players up to top talent. the team is too deep!
I bet First has been working on his 1-1-1 defense ever since code A
On September 27 2012 09:46 Noocta wrote: Prime need more diversity. Only terrans + creator / B4 isn't working against a vT sniper who isn't totaly bad at his other match up.
On September 27 2012 09:27 Waxangel wrote: dunno, forgg can be the mammoth
Why is Rain arguably better in skill then ForGG yet ForGG has played SC2 for much longer?
Because all forgg does is 1-1-1 against every race and doesn't know how to play on 3 base or more because he wins all his games on 2 base or he GGs before going on 3 base for long. His ladder play is exactly like his tournament play as shown over and over.
His series against taeja showed how inexperienced he is on 3 bases or more. He could have saved his third and continue to turtle on 3 base as he had the superior army compared to taeja in game 5. Instead he chooses to sac it and go all in. He just doesn't practice anything besides 1-1-1 and 2 base play. Forgg's peak was his gsl debut where he looked great. It's been downhill ever since.
Flash is mere macro terran i dont understand why he agreed on draw advantage was on his side he could float half of his buildings and move army under buildings make siege and crush toss who had one stormer and pack of carriers and goons against terran limit it is ridiculous absurd even if he could not kill all carriers he could chop his intercepterov anyway carriers would die on turrets which he had at least 20
Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
On September 27 2012 09:48 HolyArrow wrote: Same lineup every time from Prime. B4CreatorByunMKPMarux9999999999
It used to won them a ton of teamleagues. And you still will rarely see a team get over a quick MKP with Creator / Byun as the final duo. First is the perfect candidate a taking down this setup, and Prime probably knew it. They just don't have anyone else to send.
On September 27 2012 09:48 HolyArrow wrote: Same lineup every time from Prime. B4CreatorByunMKPMarux9999999999
It used to won them a ton of teamleagues. And you still will rarely see a team get over a quick MKP with Creator / Byun as the final duo. First is the perfect candidate a taking down this setup, and Prime probably knew it. They just don't have anyone else to send.
It used to work for them but I feel like teams have adapted since. It's just a lot easier to prepare when you know exactly who will be sent out.
On September 27 2012 09:54 Entirety wrote: Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
On September 27 2012 09:54 Entirety wrote: Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
Though this is discussed before, Startale would come very close, not in the amount of results, but in the amount of talent.
On September 27 2012 09:27 Waxangel wrote: dunno, forgg can be the mammoth
Why is Rain arguably better in skill then ForGG yet ForGG has played SC2 for much longer?
Because all forgg does is 1-1-1 against every race and doesn't know how to play on 3 base or more because he wins all his games on 2 base or he GGs before going on 3 base for long. His ladder play is exactly like his tournament play as shown over and over.
His series against taeja showed how inexperienced he is on 3 bases or more. He could have saved his third and continue to turtle on 3 base as he had the superior army compared to taeja in game 5. Instead he chooses to sac it and go all in. He just doesn't practice anything besides 1-1-1 and 2 base play. Forgg's peak was his gsl debut where he looked great. It's been downhill ever since.
Flash is mere macro terran i dont understand why he agreed on draw advantage was on his side he could float half of his buildings and move army under buildings make siege and crush toss who had one stormer and pack of carriers and goons against terran limit it is ridiculous absurd even if he could not kill all carriers he could chop his intercepterov anyway carriers would die on turrets which he had at least 20
On September 27 2012 09:27 Waxangel wrote: dunno, forgg can be the mammoth
Why is Rain arguably better in skill then ForGG yet ForGG has played SC2 for much longer?
Because all forgg does is 1-1-1 against every race and doesn't know how to play on 3 base or more because he wins all his games on 2 base or he GGs before going on 3 base for long. His ladder play is exactly like his tournament play as shown over and over.
His series against taeja showed how inexperienced he is on 3 bases or more. He could have saved his third and continue to turtle on 3 base as he had the superior army compared to taeja in game 5. Instead he chooses to sac it and go all in. He just doesn't practice anything besides 1-1-1 and 2 base play. Forgg's peak was his gsl debut where he looked great. It's been downhill ever since.
Flash is mere macro terran i dont understand why he agreed on draw advantage was on his side he could float half of his buildings and move army under buildings make siege and crush toss who had one stormer and pack of carriers and goons against terran limit it is ridiculous absurd even if he could not kill all carriers he could chop his intercepterov anyway carriers would die on turrets which he had at least 20
On September 27 2012 09:54 Entirety wrote: Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
Though this is discussed before, Startale would come very close, not in the amount of results, but in the amount of talent.
yea startale would definitely be the closest in depth. with the acquisition of zenex they have 2 solid zergs (curious and life) and maybe like a .5 solid random cheese zerg in suhosin and a really nice protoss line up. They have Bomber too as a wild card because he's either going to come out in top 4 code s form or fail spectacularly. If bomber could get his game under control ST would be scary as fuck! Hack is a pretty good terran too. I'm sure I'm forgetting others off the top of my head
On September 27 2012 09:54 Entirety wrote: Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
i'm 99% sure ready was the guy who was signed ONLY because he was a teamless guy with a code a spot and im needed one more qualified player to compete in gstl 2
On September 27 2012 09:54 Entirety wrote: Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
Though this is discussed before, Startale would come very close, not in the amount of results, but in the amount of talent.
that's why they took 4 map off IM, always fun to watch those 2 team in team league, so many talents
On September 27 2012 09:54 Entirety wrote: Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
i'm 99% sure ready was the guy who was signed ONLY because he was a teamless guy with a code a spot and im needed one more qualified player to compete in gstl 2
That times teams signed everyone so it is not that a surprise and Ready lost to Lucy in last prelims :D
On September 27 2012 09:54 Entirety wrote: Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
IM protosses got it going on. A couply months ago you would have laughed and said IM was just MVP/Nestea?Losira?Happy. Then... Seed wins gsl, seed carries IM in IPL TAC 3, First gets silver in MLG, Yonghwa fricken double all kills, Yonghwa win WCG Kor, Now First in on the all kill warpath too!
On September 27 2012 09:54 Entirety wrote: Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
On September 27 2012 09:54 Entirety wrote: Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
On September 27 2012 09:54 Entirety wrote: Brilliant, another all-kill from IM. Finally, their team league results start to live up to their skill.
Mvp - 4 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, the best SC2 player we've seen yet NesTea - 3 GSLs, still a top class player for sure MC - 2 GSLs, 1 GSL silver, foreign tournament boss, perhaps the best Protoss in the world Seed - 1 recent GSL, perhaps the best Protoss in the world with pretty much no weak points LosirA - 1 GSL silver, really really good! He can all-kill teams
YongHwa - just all-killed 2 teams in GSTL First - just all-killed Prime, looking really strong with wins over TaeJa Happy - used to have one of the sickest TvZ, he's very solid (recently beat Rain in GSL) Yoda - Mvp called him the best player in IM...
Imagine a Bo17 team league series where IM throws that lineup at you. No other team comes close in the amount of sheer talent that these guys have
Though this is discussed before, Startale would come very close, not in the amount of results, but in the amount of talent.
yea startale would definitely be the closest in depth. with the acquisition of zenex they have 2 solid zergs (curious and life) and maybe like a .5 solid random cheese zerg in suhosin and a really nice protoss line up. They have Bomber too as a wild card because he's either going to come out in top 4 code s form or fail spectacularly. If bomber could get his game under control ST would be scary as fuck! Hack is a pretty good terran too. I'm sure I'm forgetting others off the top of my head
Do you know that ST has Zero (Hello) who has awesome builds and one if them was used by Curious? "The nydus build I used against MKP was a build order taught to me by StarTale_Zero. I am grateful to him for teaching me such a great build. I am glad I didn't waste a good build order like last time when I lost to Puzzle." Curious vs MarineKing GSL Code S game.
On September 27 2012 09:33 zyzq wrote: I can't see IM ever losing in team league again
yaaah, but they find a way
To be fair, winners style team leagues will have more variance just because 1 player getting hot can get you AKs.
Highly doubt this - should have less variance because better team can pick matchups with less variance or unfavourable (eg. ex-JYP vs Terrans). Otherwise it's all random - you could end up with all your players playing their worst matchups.
On September 27 2012 09:33 zyzq wrote: I can't see IM ever losing in team league again
yaaah, but they find a way
To be fair, winners style team leagues will have more variance just because 1 player getting hot can get you AKs.
Highly doubt this - should have less variance because better team can pick matchups with less variance or unfavourable (eg. ex-JYP vs Terrans). Otherwise it's all random - you could end up with all your players playing their worst matchups.
Maybe variance is the wrong word. What I meant is that overall team strength is less of a factor in winners leagues. Because 1 hot player can go on a streak. I.E. If Liquid played LG-IM in a Bo7 where they each send 7 players for Bo1, I think their chances of winning would be less than that of a winner's format.
Obviously, the stronger overall team would still be favored because they can have prepare snipers, etc but at the end of the day, the true elite players who are hot can ignore all that.
Here are some players who I feel has AK potential.
On September 27 2012 12:27 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: ^ where the hell is Losira?!
list invalidated :p
There are many players that I had to leave out. PartinG, Bomber, LosirA, Yoda, MMA, HerO... Just don't feel they are as solid at the moment to get 5 kills or they have a very weak matchup that can be exploited.
On September 27 2012 12:35 Waxangel wrote: First really is a match-up nightmare for Prime.
He is an elite PvP and PvT player with very shaky, perhaps even straight out bad PvZ.
However Prime only has an average Zerg player themselves in B4, who happens to have his worst match-up in ZvP.
Basically, they have no way to force First to play a "bad" match-up
Funny thing is. His Korean TLPD actually shows that his best matchup is vZ and worse is vT. Of course, the number of games is very low so even 1 or 2 Bo3 will change the results drastically.
On September 27 2012 12:35 Waxangel wrote: First really is a match-up nightmare for Prime.
He is an elite PvP and PvT player with very shaky, perhaps even straight out bad PvZ.
However Prime only has an average Zerg player themselves in B4, who happens to have his worst match-up in ZvP.
Basically, they have no way to force First to play a "bad" match-up
Funny thing is. His Korean TLPD actually shows that his best matchup is vZ and worse is vT. Of course, the number of games is very low so even 1 or 2 Bo3 will change the results drastically.
I wouldn't say he's terrible at PvZ, but I would say that it's his weakest matchup after watching his games versus a few zergs at MLG. The scary thing is I believe that YongHwa is one of the better PvZ players out there, he's got an arsenal of timings and really good late-game army control. So the two really complement each other.
It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
I know, I wasn't specifically talking about a certain race doing well, but more that the IM protoss were for such a long time such a weak part of IM with 0 of them being in GSL. All of a sudden we've had Seed win Code S and multiple allkills and good performances in other tournaments from the other two.
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
Made me remember the original Prime trio: Polt, Maka and MarineKing.
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
Made me remember the original Prime trio: Polt, Maka and MarineKing.
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
Made me remember the original Prime trio: Polt, Maka and MarineKing.
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
Made me remember the original Prime trio: Polt, Maka and MarineKing.
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
Made me remember the original Prime trio: Polt, Maka and MarineKing.
If only Maka went to the movies with Polt and MKP instead of Hongun, Polt would still be on Prime today.
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
Made me remember the original Prime trio: Polt, Maka and MarineKing.
If only Maka went to the movies with Polt and MKP instead of Hongun, Polt would still be on Prime today.
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
Made me remember the original Prime trio: Polt, Maka and MarineKing.
If only Maka went to the movies with Polt and MKP instead of Hongun, Polt would still be on Prime today.
what happened?
This happened. Remember when Polt suddenly left Prime and gave a vague answer about a difference of opinion with the coach. Well, now it's finally revealed that the difference of opinion was the coach thinking it was ok for hongun not to pay back Polt. It's a silly reason to quit a team over what a $10 movie ticket, but I can see how Polt wouldn't be comfortable living with hongun anymore, so quit.
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
Made me remember the original Prime trio: Polt, Maka and MarineKing.
If only Maka went to the movies with Polt and MKP instead of Hongun, Polt would still be on Prime today.
On September 27 2012 15:32 snafoo wrote: It's funny how all of a sudden the IM protoss trifecta(Seed, Yonghwa and First) has become the most powerful part of IM when for such a long time IM's only performers were it's terran(MVP, Happy and Yoda somewhat) and zergs(Nestea and Losira).
Players in a house of one race are typically a thing.
Some other applications we've probably seen include: - IM Terran: MVP, Happy, Yoda - MVP Zerg: DRG, Sniper, Monster - oGs Terran: Nada, TOP, Supernova - Prime Terran: MKP, Byun, Maru - SlayerS Terran: MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi - ST Protoss: Squirtle, Parting, Ace - TSL Zerg: Symbol, Hyun, Shine, Revival
There have probably been a lot more 'lines' through the couple of years of sc2. Makes a lot of sense, and sometimes we see it in small terms. Currently IM and ST appear to be the only teams with a devastatingly strong Protoss lineup. Maybe SlayerS though I'm worried for Puzzle =(
Made me remember the original Prime trio: Polt, Maka and MarineKing.
If only Maka went to the movies with Polt and MKP instead of Hongun, Polt would still be on Prime today.
what happened?
This happened. Remember when Polt suddenly left Prime and gave a vague answer about a difference of opinion with the coach. Well, now it's finally revealed that the difference of opinion was the coach thinking it was ok for hongun not to pay back Polt. It's a silly reason to quit a team over what a $10 movie ticket, but I can see how Polt wouldn't be comfortable living with hongun anymore, so quit.
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