EPT[Code A] RO48 Day 1 2012 GSL Season 4 - Page 68
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 18 2012 21:05 bgx wrote: To clarify im happy JD got beat up, he needs to rethink his way of playing SC2, you can't happily copy Stephano, add some counter attack and DO THE SAME THING always. Smart move by finale, Jaedong needs some beating, those type of players play better after some loses because that way they learn. Earning miracoulous wins just gives a fake "fine" feeling. Im torn, i dont want to so mediocre JD i want to see 2008/2009 JD back. 2008-09 JD will never be back, I think. But I don't want JD to become one of those veteran BW players on the verge of code A. It's better not to play at all, I want him to be among the best, but this is just, nah.. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 18 2012 23:11 Elroi wrote: fuck. since i don't like sc2, seeing jd play is pretty much why i bought a fucking gsl ticket. yeah, watching SC2 cause of the dong, now when he drops games like this, is just "fuck it". | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On September 18 2012 23:16 letian wrote: 2008-09 JD will never be back, I think. But I don't want JD to become one of those veteran BW players on the verge of code A. It's better not to play at all, I want him to be among the best, but this is just, nah.. JD just need more time. Just wait and see | ||
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
On September 18 2012 23:42 Benjamin99 wrote: JD just need more time. Just wait and see He already had a lot of time and his decision making still sux :/ | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:05 IPS.Mardow. wrote: He already had a lot of time and his decision making still sux :/ No he haven't had a lot of time. He is in the coping phase, he has to get out of that mindset now and start thinking for himself but it takes time and a lot of experience. Stephano 609-288 matches played. JD: 15-20 matches played. You see the insane difference in experience?. And as a zerg its really damn important becuase to be successful as a zerg you need to know how to deal with every different encounter and timings. JD needs more time and he will start to stomp faces. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
On September 18 2012 23:16 letian wrote: 2008-09 JD will never be back, I think. But I don't want JD to become one of those veteran BW players on the verge of code A. It's better not to play at all, I want him to be among the best, but this is just, nah.. Only until midnight, my friend. Once upon a time, it wasn't like that. I used to believe in Yellow and Reach, just like I used to believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. I used to believe, no, I knew that Yellow, Reach and Boxer were the Justice League, and whoever they were playing that week were evil enslaving zombies from outer space. When Boxer showed me quantum physics, when Yellow went for the neck and didn't let go, when Reach ran straight into a containment and warriored his way through, I would feel blessed: my faith justified, my fandom re-affirmed. But as I watched more games, I learned to see in terms of strategies and angles, to watch each match as a fine-tuned exercise of unit supply and APM. I began to see the flow of the game in terms of management and threat. I'm glad that I know the game better now. I'm a better fan now that I can objectively judge each players' strengths and weaknesses. And it saves me a lot of grief. Why? Because those motherfuckers broke my heart. Not in the way that Yukie Chang broke my heart in 10th grade, but more like the way my mom broke my heart when she told me, "No HonestTea, you can't walk through that wardrobe because there is no Narnia." (YOU MAY HAVE GAVE BIRTH TO ME BUT I KNOW YOU ARE LYING! LYING!) When I saw Boxer screw up that bunker rush, I had to stand up, leave my desk, and go outside to look up at the sky. That was just because the general principle of it was so damn sad. Imagine how broken I would have been if I actually was rooting for Boxer. | ||
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tryummm
774 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:05 IPS.Mardow. wrote: He already had a lot of time and his decision making still sux :/ Jaedong's been playing SC2 for about 6 months and is already in GSL Code A. You have probably been playing longer than that and you are nowhere near even being considered for a GSL. Really, I can't see how you can criticize Jaedong's skill. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:15 Benjamin99 wrote: No he haven't had a lot of time. He is in the coping phase, he has to get out of that mindset now and start thinking for himself but it takes time and a lot of experience. Stephano 609-288 matches played. JD: 15-20 matches played. You see the insane difference in experience?. And as a zerg its really damn important becuase to be successful as a zerg you need to know how to deal with every different encounter and timings. JD needs more time and he will start to stomp faces. All this will be answered when HotS is released, not now. There just isnt enough time left of WoL for em to get the big recognition or skill tbh. When HotS is released the metagame will ofc change drastically and the players being able to create that current metagame/able to adapt it to the best/being able to create a new one will be the best. It's not like their macro-mechanics are below ESF-players | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:45 Thinasy wrote: All this will be answered when HotS is released, not now. There just isnt enough time left of WoL for em to get the big recognition or skill tbh. When HotS is released the metagame will ofc change drastically and the players being able to create that current metagame/able to adapt it to the best/being able to create a new one will be the best. It's not like their macro-mechanics are below ESF-players Their mechanics are worse. This is one of those things that gets passed around as a fact, but actually a lot of Kespa players get supply blocked, a lot have bad injects, and even more are using bad builds. They have inferior SC2 mechanics, mechanics don't translate from game to game, they need time for that too. | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:25 tryummm wrote: Jaedong's been playing SC2 for about 6 months and is already in GSL Code A. You have probably been playing longer than that and you are nowhere near even being considered for a GSL. Really, I can't see how you can criticize Jaedong's skill. I guess it's just a matter of expectations. If you expect the top BW pros to be really good at SC2 after just some months of playing SC2 you will be disappointed. It will take much longer than that for us to see what kind of skills they will really be able to show in SC2. And yes, getting Code A is already pretty good. Hopefully he will be able to improve even more in the future. Practice makes perfect etc. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:25 tryummm wrote: Jaedong's been playing SC2 for about 6 months and is already in GSL Code A. You have probably been playing longer than that and you are nowhere near even being considered for a GSL. Really, I can't see how you can criticize Jaedong's skill. What do you think a critic is? You honestly think every movie critic is a billion dollar movie producer? Every video game critic is a major game publisher? Every sports critic is in that sports' hall of fame? Critics don't need to be better than the thing they are criticizing to be able to criticize them you derp. They just need to be able to look at what they do and talk about it honestly. I don't need to beat JD in a bo5 to be able to criticize him for playing poorly and wasting a Code S seed. Honestly, I knew JD wasn't good, but I was hoping he'd surprise me and win his way to the ro24 and probably lose, but instead he got trashed in the first round. It's a sad story, but JD is not able to play the game well yet. On September 19 2012 01:08 Kilby wrote: I guess it's just a matter of expectations. If you expect the top BW pros to be really good at SC2 after just some months of playing SC2 you will be disappointed. It will take much longer than that for us to see what kind of skills they will really be able to show in SC2. And yes, getting Code A is already pretty good. Hopefully he will be able to improve even more in the future. Practice makes perfect etc. JD is not in Code A, he was given a Code S seed and dropped instantly into Code B. idk why people keep saying it was impressive for him to make it into Code A, when he never "made it" into Code A ever lol. It's like telling Mvp after losing Code S "hey bud, you made Code A woot!" when in reality he's pissed about it. Many Kespa players were unseeded and won the prelims. JD would not have passed the prelims.... That much is very obvious. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:25 tryummm wrote: Jaedong's been playing SC2 for about 6 months and is already in GSL Code A. You have probably been playing longer than that and you are nowhere near even being considered for a GSL. Really, I can't see how you can criticize Jaedong's skill. This is a dumb point to make. Do you never criticize badly directed movies? Or badly written novels? Bad plays in football games? Just because you've done none of these doesn't mean you can't look at something and say that it is bad. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 19 2012 00:23 Elroi wrote: Only until midnight, my friend. that beautiful HonestTea's post... the pain does not go away (grow up you wimp!) | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Yes his ZvP needs work and a lot of it , but his ZvT and ZvZ are progressing nicely . I think he needs better coaching and variety in his games . He will need more time to adjust to SC2 and i don't see it happening in WOL , because his style is really hard to accommodate . I think he will unlock his true potential in HOTS . Even so i think it was a mistake to copy Stephano's style in the first place as it could only take you so far . I think he should rething his ZvP and figure out his own builds . I personally find it irrateting when you play maps like Ohana and you know that 99 % of the times a sentry/immortal semi all -in is coming and you play the exact same way every zerg and his father before him had died to it . | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On September 18 2012 23:16 letian wrote: 2008-09 JD will never be back, I think. But I don't want JD to become one of those veteran BW players on the verge of code A. It's better not to play at all, I want him to be among the best, but this is just, nah.. I do hope you're wrong. I'll admit you seem to be right, but that doesn't change the fact that I hope you're not. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On September 18 2012 20:55 Malinor wrote: He just got completely outclassed in both Code S and in the Code A series. I want 2009 back Hmm i think he played very well in code s actually | ||
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