On September 14 2012 05:21 Moletrap wrote: Some of these progamers are so fidgety, lol... when I interviewed Bisu last month he was constantly touching his arm and his hair and stuff.
I can tell Flash was somewhat nervous. His right eye was twitching. But being the god he is, probably he was just blessing us with his superpowers.
On September 14 2012 05:21 Moletrap wrote: Some of these progamers are so fidgety, lol... when I interviewed Bisu last month he was constantly touching his arm and his hair and stuff.
I can tell Flash was somewhat nervous. His right eye was twitching. But being the god he is, probably he was just blessing us with his superpowers.
On September 14 2012 05:21 Moletrap wrote: Some of these progamers are so fidgety, lol... when I interviewed Bisu last month he was constantly touching his arm and his hair and stuff.
I can tell Flash was somewhat nervous. His right eye was twitching. But being the god he is, probably he was just blessing us with his superpowers.
On September 13 2012 20:33 Mackus wrote: Gotta laugh at the Reddit suggesting Flash is a Code S material because he beat Horror. I mean like I could stand a chance against Horror ffs.
I do Just want to explain the game a little more, I'll mirror this on both Reddit and TL so people can read it. I am the same masterbreti/radrel who was doing the lr'ing. I was able to sit right behind sase during the games, specfically the 3rd game in which he should have won.
Basically what had happend is that Kop went for a 1-1-1 without banshees (I didn't see any banshees anyways) Kop pushed to Sase tower with 2 tanks and 4-5 marines (Cloud kingdom) Sase had a obs there and basically caught 2 of Kops tanks unseiged, and got the marines as well.
This basically meant kop was on one base and his marine tank all-in wouldn't work at all. Sase had the game from there, since he had immortals out and a 2nd base.
Sase after a couple of minutes pushed and was able to get kop to cancel his 2nd base, kop started to drop, and whenever sase would move out, kop would drop, it was like mma on crack with the drops. Sase kept going back and dealing with them, eventually allowing kop to get his 2nd up. kop kept trying to push here and there and sase just kept owning the armies and started to push more and started forcing lifts on the 2nd base.
Kop though kept getting tanks, going up to almost 10 on his ledge in his main overlooking the natural
Sase made a big mistake in one engagement and lost a huge chunk of his army to tank fire, all the while still on 2 bases. Kop was eventually able to stablize due to this and kop contiuned with the drops, they were relentless (I had a feeling kop had a hidden base somewhere, but I didn't see sase scout anything, I don't think sase scouted for it at all) Kops drops were doing a ton of damage and forcing sase to pull back, eventually sase got tired of this and went for a final attack with some colo and a good almost maxed out army. Kop had a 3rd up at this point, although sase was able to force a lift, sase lost a lot and kop lost a lot less, Kop dropped sase's main and started doing a ton of damage, Sase got fed up and went in for the kill, only to lose his army very quickly to tank/bio attacks. Sase then calls GG
When I saw Sase GG I was shocked, he had this game in his hands, kop played amazing though, but sase lost this game, kop didn't win it. Kop was owned in any straigt up engagement up until sase moved his army a little to close to the tanks. thats when kop was able to stabalize and regrow his army.
on top of that sase never got a 3rd (I didn't see one anyways) so sase was losing the second kop was able to get his 2nd up, since it was so much later, Kop would win the attribution game, bearing in mid that sase stayed on 2 bases.
This is just what I remember about the game though, my memory isn't perfect (I was really tired at the time, and still am) but that is roughly what happend.
Sase should though I think once denying the nat a few times, back off, build some cannons in his main(a lot of cannons) and secure a third base. This would have allowed him to win the game and keep denying the third base. but thats just me.
Anyways the game was pretty superb. The only game that had a comeback that big was leenock vs mvp on dual sight, and even then leenock still won
On September 13 2012 20:33 Mackus wrote: Gotta laugh at the Reddit suggesting Flash is a Code S material because he beat Horror. I mean like I could stand a chance against Horror ffs.
WCS Prelims horror 2-1 MarineKing
considering mkp has had a lot of trouble against zerg, and that the loss was a 1base bane bust, i wouldn't read so much into that haha
On September 13 2012 20:33 Mackus wrote: Gotta laugh at the Reddit suggesting Flash is a Code S material because he beat Horror. I mean like I could stand a chance against Horror ffs.
WCS Prelims horror 2-1 MarineKing
MarineKing is..MarineKing. On a good day he can destroy every single player out there, on a bad day, he loses to just about everyone.
On September 14 2012 08:32 masterbreti wrote: I do Just want to explain the game a little more, I'll mirror this on both Reddit and TL so people can read it. I am the same masterbreti/radrel who was doing the lr'ing. I was able to sit right behind sase during the games, specfically the 3rd game in which he should have won.
Basically what had happend is that Kop went for a 1-1-1 without banshees (I didn't see any banshees anyways) Kop pushed to Sase tower with 2 tanks and 4-5 marines (Cloud kingdom) Sase had a obs there and basically caught 2 of Kops tanks unseiged, and got the marines as well.
This basically meant kop was on one base and his marine tank all-in wouldn't work at all. Sase had the game from there, since he had immortals out and a 2nd base.
Sase after a couple of minutes pushed and was able to get kop to cancel his 2nd base, kop started to drop, and whenever sase would move out, kop would drop, it was like mma on crack with the drops. Sase kept going back and dealing with them, eventually allowing kop to get his 2nd up. kop kept trying to push here and there and sase just kept owning the armies and started to push more and started forcing lifts on the 2nd base.
Kop though kept getting tanks, going up to almost 10 on his ledge in his main overlooking the natural
Sase made a big mistake in one engagement and lost a huge chunk of his army to tank fire, all the while still on 2 bases. Kop was eventually able to stablize due to this and kop contiuned with the drops, they were relentless (I had a feeling kop had a hidden base somewhere, but I didn't see sase scout anything, I don't think sase scouted for it at all) Kops drops were doing a ton of damage and forcing sase to pull back, eventually sase got tired of this and went for a final attack with some colo and a good almost maxed out army. Kop had a 3rd up at this point, although sase was able to force a lift, sase lost a lot and kop lost a lot less, Kop dropped sase's main and started doing a ton of damage, Sase got fed up and went in for the kill, only to lose his army very quickly to tank/bio attacks. Sase then calls GG
When I saw Sase GG I was shocked, he had this game in his hands, kop played amazing though, but sase lost this game, kop didn't win it. Kop was owned in any straigt up engagement up until sase moved his army a little to close to the tanks. thats when kop was able to stabalize and regrow his army.
on top of that sase never got a 3rd (I didn't see one anyways) so sase was losing the second kop was able to get his 2nd up, since it was so much later, Kop would win the attribution game, bearing in mid that sase stayed on 2 bases.
This is just what I remember about the game though, my memory isn't perfect (I was really tired at the time, and still am) but that is roughly what happend.
Sase should though I think once denying the nat a few times, back off, build some cannons in his main(a lot of cannons) and secure a third base. This would have allowed him to win the game and keep denying the third base. but thats just me.
Anyways the game was pretty superb. The only game that had a comeback that big was leenock vs mvp on dual sight, and even then leenock still won
ehhhhhhh....just admit that Sase is not a good player! especially not one that can handle tough situations during a game. A LOSER IS A LOSER. The other guy did a good job of dropping causing Sase to become indecisive. Kop knew exactly what to do when he's behind, which is to siege up in a great position while dropping a ton. That game showed the difference a player with a great mindset of a winner and champion and one that falls under pressure, the difference between players that win tournament and those that just always hang around at the bottom. A player's mental state in game is really important as mentioned by many players. Sase just does not have the mind of a winner, even when he's ahead. Please stop the constant mentioning of Sase losing his game and that his opponent didn't win it, and stop taking credit away from the winner. If you keep assuming Sase throwing the game and discrediting the winner, then you also imply that Sase just doesn't have the skill compete.
On September 14 2012 08:32 masterbreti wrote: I do Just want to explain the game a little more, I'll mirror this on both Reddit and TL so people can read it. I am the same masterbreti/radrel who was doing the lr'ing. I was able to sit right behind sase during the games, specfically the 3rd game in which he should have won.
Basically what had happend is that Kop went for a 1-1-1 without banshees (I didn't see any banshees anyways) Kop pushed to Sase tower with 2 tanks and 4-5 marines (Cloud kingdom) Sase had a obs there and basically caught 2 of Kops tanks unseiged, and got the marines as well.
This basically meant kop was on one base and his marine tank all-in wouldn't work at all. Sase had the game from there, since he had immortals out and a 2nd base.
Sase after a couple of minutes pushed and was able to get kop to cancel his 2nd base, kop started to drop, and whenever sase would move out, kop would drop, it was like mma on crack with the drops. Sase kept going back and dealing with them, eventually allowing kop to get his 2nd up. kop kept trying to push here and there and sase just kept owning the armies and started to push more and started forcing lifts on the 2nd base.
Kop though kept getting tanks, going up to almost 10 on his ledge in his main overlooking the natural
Sase made a big mistake in one engagement and lost a huge chunk of his army to tank fire, all the while still on 2 bases. Kop was eventually able to stablize due to this and kop contiuned with the drops, they were relentless (I had a feeling kop had a hidden base somewhere, but I didn't see sase scout anything, I don't think sase scouted for it at all) Kops drops were doing a ton of damage and forcing sase to pull back, eventually sase got tired of this and went for a final attack with some colo and a good almost maxed out army. Kop had a 3rd up at this point, although sase was able to force a lift, sase lost a lot and kop lost a lot less, Kop dropped sase's main and started doing a ton of damage, Sase got fed up and went in for the kill, only to lose his army very quickly to tank/bio attacks. Sase then calls GG
When I saw Sase GG I was shocked, he had this game in his hands, kop played amazing though, but sase lost this game, kop didn't win it. Kop was owned in any straigt up engagement up until sase moved his army a little to close to the tanks. thats when kop was able to stabalize and regrow his army.
on top of that sase never got a 3rd (I didn't see one anyways) so sase was losing the second kop was able to get his 2nd up, since it was so much later, Kop would win the attribution game, bearing in mid that sase stayed on 2 bases.
This is just what I remember about the game though, my memory isn't perfect (I was really tired at the time, and still am) but that is roughly what happend.
Sase should though I think once denying the nat a few times, back off, build some cannons in his main(a lot of cannons) and secure a third base. This would have allowed him to win the game and keep denying the third base. but thats just me.
Anyways the game was pretty superb. The only game that had a comeback that big was leenock vs mvp on dual sight, and even then leenock still won
ehhhhhhh....just admit that Sase is not a good player! especially not one that can handle tough situations during a game. A LOSER IS A LOSER. The other guy did a good job of dropping causing Sase to become indecisive. Kop knew exactly what to do when he's behind, which is to siege up in a great position while dropping a ton. That game showed the difference a player with a great mindset of a winner and champion and one that falls under pressure, the difference between players that win tournament and those that just always hang around at the bottom. A player's mental state in game is really important as mentioned by many players. Sase just does not have the mind of a winner, even when he's ahead. Please stop the constant mentioning of Sase losing his game and that his opponent didn't win it, and stop taking credit away from the winner. If you keep assuming Sase throwing the game and discrediting the winner, then you also imply that Sase just doesn't have the skill compete.
On September 14 2012 08:32 masterbreti wrote: I do Just want to explain the game a little more, I'll mirror this on both Reddit and TL so people can read it. I am the same masterbreti/radrel who was doing the lr'ing. I was able to sit right behind sase during the games, specfically the 3rd game in which he should have won.
Basically what had happend is that Kop went for a 1-1-1 without banshees (I didn't see any banshees anyways) Kop pushed to Sase tower with 2 tanks and 4-5 marines (Cloud kingdom) Sase had a obs there and basically caught 2 of Kops tanks unseiged, and got the marines as well.
This basically meant kop was on one base and his marine tank all-in wouldn't work at all. Sase had the game from there, since he had immortals out and a 2nd base.
Sase after a couple of minutes pushed and was able to get kop to cancel his 2nd base, kop started to drop, and whenever sase would move out, kop would drop, it was like mma on crack with the drops. Sase kept going back and dealing with them, eventually allowing kop to get his 2nd up. kop kept trying to push here and there and sase just kept owning the armies and started to push more and started forcing lifts on the 2nd base.
Kop though kept getting tanks, going up to almost 10 on his ledge in his main overlooking the natural
Sase made a big mistake in one engagement and lost a huge chunk of his army to tank fire, all the while still on 2 bases. Kop was eventually able to stablize due to this and kop contiuned with the drops, they were relentless (I had a feeling kop had a hidden base somewhere, but I didn't see sase scout anything, I don't think sase scouted for it at all) Kops drops were doing a ton of damage and forcing sase to pull back, eventually sase got tired of this and went for a final attack with some colo and a good almost maxed out army. Kop had a 3rd up at this point, although sase was able to force a lift, sase lost a lot and kop lost a lot less, Kop dropped sase's main and started doing a ton of damage, Sase got fed up and went in for the kill, only to lose his army very quickly to tank/bio attacks. Sase then calls GG
When I saw Sase GG I was shocked, he had this game in his hands, kop played amazing though, but sase lost this game, kop didn't win it. Kop was owned in any straigt up engagement up until sase moved his army a little to close to the tanks. thats when kop was able to stabalize and regrow his army.
on top of that sase never got a 3rd (I didn't see one anyways) so sase was losing the second kop was able to get his 2nd up, since it was so much later, Kop would win the attribution game, bearing in mid that sase stayed on 2 bases.
This is just what I remember about the game though, my memory isn't perfect (I was really tired at the time, and still am) but that is roughly what happend.
Sase should though I think once denying the nat a few times, back off, build some cannons in his main(a lot of cannons) and secure a third base. This would have allowed him to win the game and keep denying the third base. but thats just me.
Anyways the game was pretty superb. The only game that had a comeback that big was leenock vs mvp on dual sight, and even then leenock still won
ehhhhhhh....just admit that Sase is not a good player! especially not one that can handle tough situations during a game. A LOSER IS A LOSER. The other guy did a good job of dropping causing Sase to become indecisive. Kop knew exactly what to do when he's behind, which is to siege up in a great position while dropping a ton. That game showed the difference a player with a great mindset of a winner and champion and one that falls under pressure, the difference between players that win tournament and those that just always hang around at the bottom. A player's mental state in game is really important as mentioned by many players. Sase just does not have the mind of a winner, even when he's ahead. Please stop the constant mentioning of Sase losing his game and that his opponent didn't win it, and stop taking credit away from the winner. If you keep assuming Sase throwing the game and discrediting the winner, then you also imply that Sase just doesn't have the skill compete.
unless you where there and saw the entire match, and not just my summary of the match, then I think you would be saying different. Sase delt with the drops really well, but kop was just able to eventually to get stable and keep his position. Sase must have denied Kop natural 5-6 times, but eventually just gave up doing so, Sase played very passive and that was his downfall. He wasn't aggressive unless he was trying to deny kop's expands. and when he wasn't, he was sitting on a tower and such. Sase is a very safe player, and kop was able to use that to his advantage.
Sase played really well, just a few mistakes is what lost him that game. Kop did not derserve to win that game, everyone who saw the match would say the same thing. Kop pulled a rabbit out of his hat or something. Also keep in mind Kop has also beaten Bisu in PL, so Kop ins't a bad player.
On September 13 2012 20:33 Mackus wrote: Gotta laugh at the Reddit suggesting Flash is a Code S material because he beat Horror. I mean like I could stand a chance against Horror ffs.
WCS Prelims horror 2-1 MarineKing
MarineKing is..MarineKing. On a good day he can destroy every single player out there, on a bad day, he loses to just about everyone.
Flash 3-0'd his OSL group though didn't he? which included beating MC with a sick hold and ridiculous macro.
I never followed BW, and I'm not a fanboy... but I definately think he's better than say Heart, and more along the lines of Happy, who, whilst isn't great, is still bottom half of Code S.