Hyyype! Big clash between Baby and MVP as Baby's tvt has looked really freaking good. Trap should kill Keen when he does something retarded like skipping ghosts or a doom drop into storms or something.
On August 30 2012 08:19 ElephantBaby wrote: Trap and MVP should win this.
Where is all the posters and hype for this? This is another big clash of kespa and eSF yet so few posts >.<
Everyone hates WCG... even most of the commenters on GOM's site think it's WCS. I mean, the games should still be good, right? At least give them a chance...
On August 30 2012 08:19 ElephantBaby wrote: Trap and MVP should win this.
Where is all the posters and hype for this? This is another big clash of kespa and eSF yet so few posts >.<
Everyone hates WCG... even most of the commenters on GOM's site think it's WCS. I mean, the games should still be good, right? At least give them a chance...
Personally I couldn't care less whether it is WCG or GSL or whatever as long as it has exciting matches like these two. Makes no sense for 3 games of OSL to have 15 pages of hype and two bo3s between similar/the same players to have not even a full single page of hype.
I would be surprised if MVP wins today considering his form and his health recently. Unless he is fully recovered from his nerve (literally) injury, Baby should be able to take him down.
I wonder how serious Polt/Taeja/MKP will take this tournament. IPL5 is the same weekend as the WCG Grand Finals, and all three are already seeded deep into the IPL5 bracket. All three are also in Code S this season and have the talent to be in the semifinals come IPL5 for GSL. It seems unlikely any of the three would pick WCG over IPL5.
On August 30 2012 11:45 Diizzy wrote: mvp just won a tournament? i think he was just fine then. the excuses are just horrible lately. anyways it would be a fun match
I agree the excuses for Mvp losing need to stop, he just won a tournament like a week ago and looked really good. if Baby wins it will be because he played better.
On August 30 2012 11:45 Diizzy wrote: mvp just won a tournament? i think he was just fine then. the excuses are just horrible lately. anyways it would be a fun match
I agree the excuses for Mvp losing need to stop, he just won a tournament like a week ago and looked really good. if Baby wins it will be because he played better.
also, it looks like OGN VLC works for this.
Well, cervical kyphosis is not exactly a joke, in fact it's less of a joke than RSI or carpal tunnel. It does affect your play. When Flash had carpal tunnel there was as much rightful bitching about how he was (presumably) underperforming.
On August 30 2012 11:45 Diizzy wrote: mvp just won a tournament? i think he was just fine then. the excuses are just horrible lately. anyways it would be a fun match
I agree the excuses for Mvp losing need to stop, he just won a tournament like a week ago and looked really good. if Baby wins it will be because he played better.
also, it looks like OGN VLC works for this.
Well, cervical kyphosis is not exactly a joke, in fact it's less of a joke than RSI or carpal tunnel. It does affect your play. When Flash had carpal tunnel there was as much rightful bitching about how he was (presumably) underperforming.
I know it affects his play but as long as he's playing we have to treat him like everybody else, if it's that bad he should take a break or retire ( this is coming from someone who has like 100 posts in the mvp fan club )
On August 30 2012 11:48 Fionn wrote: I wonder how serious Polt/Taeja/MKP will take this tournament. IPL5 is the same weekend as the WCG Grand Finals, and all three are already seeded deep into the IPL5 bracket. All three are also in Code S this season and have the talent to be in the semifinals come IPL5 for GSL. It seems unlikely any of the three would pick WCG over IPL5.
OMG those vikings! who didnt they see the medivacs! Also last night in OSL, MVP was way behind in upgrades and now his 2-2 isnt even half way done when baby has started 3-3
It's sad to see how common of a travesty is korean "HD". Luckily it's just the WCG, otherwise I would whine much more.
It's actually SD. "ognsdlive"
Ah, alright. I was deceived by the hd.ognp2p... albeit in hindsight p2p stream can't really be HD outside of KR. Still, someone should enforce a standard by which every stream must have readable supplies to be deemed worthy of uptime.
baby outmacroing the fuck out of mvp.
That seems pretty standard after a completely botched cloakshee opening.
sick game. had to watch it thru lag and then closed the stream and reopened and it was over bc i realized i had paused it for a bit. Still, it was over by then and good showing by Baby.
Baby should know that MVP will play an early macro game next game since all of his cheese failed. Baby should play super greedy and hope MVP sets up an early defense so it can pay off.
On August 30 2012 12:31 BlazeFury01 wrote: Baby should know that MVP will play an early macro game next game since all of his cheese failed. Baby should play super greedy and hope MVP sets up an early defense so it can pay off.
Baby seriously looks like he's about to either die or fall asleep in his booth :S must have been washing dishes 'til late after his game vs PartinG in OSL
On August 30 2012 12:28 grungust wrote: Elephant is here tonight boys.
I'll believe it when they win some premiere tournaments. MVP has lost to ret twice, virus, Idra, monchi, all in best of 3's. hen he's on he's on, but when he's off he's really off.
On August 30 2012 12:45 Dakure wrote: You guys do know you can set aspect ratio on 16 in GOM player too, right? Just right-click and look under aspect ratio :3
On August 30 2012 12:45 achan1058 wrote: So MVP is not dead yet? Thread made it sound like it's GG already.
He was on like 15 SCVs vs Baby's 30 or so, but evened out a little now. Baby still ahead and has his third up way faster, unless he makes some serious mistakes, MVP will have a really hard time here.
On August 30 2012 12:45 Dakure wrote: You guys do know you can set aspect ratio on 16 : 9 in GOM player too, right? Just right-click and look under aspect ratio :3
Baby looked a bit uncertain about how to engage mech army correctly, but cleans up MVP's tanks outside his natural eventually. Baby still up on supply and no third in sight for MVP.
i would have prefered MVP played a macro game from behind while just getting good upgrades..hes pretty cost efficient even when behind in army with upgrade disadvantage.
On August 30 2012 12:52 raf3776 wrote: MVP wouldnt be so far behidn if he had a 3rd
and got upgrades..hes vsing 1/1 bio vs 0/0 mech and soon to be 2/1 bio
Kind of hard to have a 3rd, upgrades AND army when you are that behind
oh ye definately, and hes mech so its not like gas isn't important for him. I would have just rather have a 3rd, and play a macro game from behind since mech is very cost efficient.
Baby's focus fire on tanks in pretty much every fight was really impressive. Barely ever wasting shots on hellions until after tanks are taken out. MVP seemed a bit off, but then again Baby was multitasking all over the place, so it couldn't have been easy trying to keep up, especially after the initial damage.
On August 30 2012 12:28 grungust wrote: Elephant is here tonight boys.
I'll believe it when they win some premiere tournaments. MVP has lost to ret twice, virus, Idra, monchi, all in best of 3's. hen he's on he's on, but when he's off he's really off.
On August 30 2012 12:55 attackmoveftw wrote: What's the excuse this time eSF fans?
MVP play very bad. HE is not mvp that we know. All everything that they want to say. You can see it in OSL and WCS forum. I am fan of kespa player becuase the gom player's playing is not very good. So i cheer kespa.
On August 30 2012 12:55 attackmoveftw wrote: What's the excuse this time eSF fans?
MVP got wrist injuries !!
I don't see how that's not valid, his play has clearly gotten much worse, even as he won IEM you could see that he was relying on solid build orders more than anything else.I got bad wrists myself, it's simply put horrible.
All these people antagonizing, from BOTH sides, whenever an eSF or KeSPA player wins, should be banned. You are terrible people. I just want good games.
And no, it wasn't "easy win" if MVP had scouted the Starport, lol. He had no units early game, if he tried to move out with his first marines he'd lose even more stuff to the pressure Baby had coming on the ground.
On August 30 2012 12:54 grungust wrote: Baby just played better than MVP, plain and simple.
If MVP scouted that, it was an easy win. He intended to scout it, but didn't quite. MVP is the better player.
Right dude! LOL! Baby didn't even scout MVPs tech in game 1 and still smashed him. What's your excuse now?
Scouting something as aggressive and as early-hitting as the proxy Banshee is much more important than scouting in a macro game. In game 1, I felt like Baby outplayed Mvp. In game 2, it felt like Baby's build order beat Mvp. But Mvp did a great job staying in the game I guess.
On August 30 2012 12:54 grungust wrote: Baby just played better than MVP, plain and simple.
If MVP scouted that, it was an easy win. He intended to scout it, but didn't quite. MVP is the better player.
MVP didn't scout it, because baby chose a blind spot, that's clearly calculated before the match based on previous MVP's play.
That's just not true. Proxy blind-spots are standard in pretty much every map, you just hope that your opponent will be lazy/risky/unfamiliar enough not to scout thoroughly.
On August 30 2012 12:55 attackmoveftw wrote: What's the excuse this time eSF fans?
MVP play very bad. HE is not mvp that we know. All everything that they want to say. You can see it in OSL and WCS forum. I am fan of kespa player becuase the gom player's playing is not very good. So i cheer kespa.
Great players shine when they play players that are worst then them and look terrible when they play somebody better than them. That is what happened in this series. MVP played great, he was just stopped in his tracks. His initial harass on game 1 was stopped and baby took an economic advantage. Game 2 MVP lost the economic advantage by suffering early losses to baby's cheese.
baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
On August 30 2012 12:55 attackmoveftw wrote: What's the excuse this time eSF fans?
MVP play very bad. HE is not mvp that we know. All everything that they want to say. You can see it in OSL and WCS forum. I am fan of kespa player becuase the gom player's playing is not very good. So i cheer kespa.
Great players shine when they play players that are worst then them and look terrible when they play somebody better than them. That is what happened in this series. MVP played great, he was just stopped in his tracks. His initial harass on game 1 was stopped and baby took an economic advantage. Game 2 MVP lost the economic advantage by suffering early losses to baby's cheese.
I wouldn't say Mvp played great. He played decent and Baby played great. I think it is pretty obvious that the top Kespa pros have caught up and are playing on even grounds. So like GSL v GSL match ups before, it comes down a lot to who is playing better that day and today, it was Baby.
On August 30 2012 13:03 mango_destroyer wrote: These 12 year old fanboys ruin every thread with this kespa vs esf bullshit. Try enjoying the games instead of waving your e-dick and bandwagoning.
Pretty much, it was fun, then people turned serious. Makes LR a hateful place.
On August 30 2012 13:02 rave[wcr] wrote: baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
On August 30 2012 13:02 rave[wcr] wrote: baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
lol, IEM is not really a big tourney...
yea, how the hell is beating a bunch of foreigners "a big tourney"
On August 30 2012 13:02 rave[wcr] wrote: baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
lol, IEM is not really a big tourney...
Yea i dont really understand why people are making a big deal about winning an IEM that had like 5 koreans (MC,NesTea,Yonghwa,MVP, supernova, am i forgetting anyone?) the cash prize was like 6k...
On August 30 2012 13:02 rave[wcr] wrote: baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
On August 30 2012 12:54 grungust wrote: Baby just played better than MVP, plain and simple.
If MVP scouted that, it was an easy win. He intended to scout it, but didn't quite. MVP is the better player.
Right dude! LOL! Baby didn't even scout MVPs tech in game 1 and still smashed him. What's your excuse now?
stop being so aggressive It's really fucking annoying
obviously Mvp is better than Baby at sc2 overall but Baby played better in this series, that's that.
"Obviously" I just saw MVP get wrecked in two games. So, how does that make him the better player? It was even a mirror match up.
I saw Flash got wrecked by hyuk once.
Never 4get
can someone aware me on that? like how bad is hyuk and how much of a shock was it etc. please.
Hyuk was pretty fail most of the time, I think near the end of his career he was mainly a ZvZ sniper. That's not surprising because he was also the team captain during that season.
He did have his moments though, like all killing STX. All in all, he got sent out a lot but didn't have a lot of success (not like MC type fail but also not at 50% win rate level).
On August 30 2012 13:02 rave[wcr] wrote: baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
lol, IEM is not really a big tourney...
Yea i dont really understand why people are making a big deal about winning an IEM that had like 5 koreans (MC,NesTea,Yonghwa,MVP, supernova, am i forgetting anyone?) the cash prize was like 6k...
IEM's competition was actually pretty good, Mvp dodged a lot of the better players though. he beat three foreigner zergs from the ro8 to finals. Everyone else in the tournament also lost to these foreigner zergs so I don't think It's to be dismissed.
On August 30 2012 13:02 rave[wcr] wrote: baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
lol, IEM is not really a big tourney...
yea, how the hell is beating a bunch of foreigners "a big tourney"
Well there were a bunch of strong/decent Koreans in there too so it wasn't that bad. Forgg, Supernova, Violet, MC and some others. Not a big tournament but $5k isn't anything to scoff at for a weekend's work
On August 30 2012 13:02 rave[wcr] wrote: baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
lol, IEM is not really a big tourney...
Yea i dont really understand why people are making a big deal about winning an IEM that had like 5 koreans (MC,NesTea,Yonghwa,MVP, supernova, am i forgetting anyone?) the cash prize was like 6k...
Yah, I would rank it as a tier 2 tourney below GSL, WCS, MLG, IPL.
Eh, actually Hyuk is / was pretty awful. :p He's always been super inconsistent, getting some really unlikely wins against big names, then hyuking it horribly (yes, his name was made into a synonym for throwing) against someone terrible. He's had something like 35% winrates in ZvT/ZvZ :p
It's not that he was like bad at micro / macro or something, just had these really weird decisions reminiscent of early Fantasy - it'd look brilliant when it works, but just utterly stupid if it doesn't - and for him, it didn't work very often. :p
why do esf fans keep defending their players when they lose and try to belittle the kespa victories with excuses. It's obvious that the kespa players will be good in the future...
On August 30 2012 12:55 Mohdoo wrote: [quote] If MVP scouted that, it was an easy win. He intended to scout it, but didn't quite. MVP is the better player.
Right dude! LOL! Baby didn't even scout MVPs tech in game 1 and still smashed him. What's your excuse now?
stop being so aggressive It's really fucking annoying
obviously Mvp is better than Baby at sc2 overall but Baby played better in this series, that's that.
"Obviously" I just saw MVP get wrecked in two games. So, how does that make him the better player? It was even a mirror match up.
I saw Flash got wrecked by hyuk once.
Never 4get
can someone aware me on that? like how bad is hyuk and how much of a shock was it etc. please.
Even though people always make fun of him, I would rate him as one of the best non-legend zergs in BW history. He is above average for many years.
Why would people make fun of him?
hyuk is one of the only people ever to constantly lose won games.
On August 30 2012 13:09 We Are Here wrote: why do esf fans keep defending their players when they lose and try to belittle the kespa victories with excuses. It's obvious that the kespa players will be good in the future...
On August 30 2012 13:02 rave[wcr] wrote: baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
lol, IEM is not really a big tourney...
Yea i dont really understand why people are making a big deal about winning an IEM that had like 5 koreans (MC,NesTea,Yonghwa,MVP, supernova, am i forgetting anyone?) the cash prize was like 6k...
Yah, I would rank it as a tier 2 tourney below GSL, WCS, MLG, IPL.
where would you rank NASL and Dreamhack? i think those are 2 big turns that should be on your list
On August 30 2012 13:09 We Are Here wrote: why do esf fans keep defending their players when they lose and try to belittle the kespa victories with excuses. It's obvious that the kespa players will be good in the future...
eSF fans actually really really like a lot of KeSPA players.
On August 30 2012 13:09 We Are Here wrote: why do esf fans keep defending their players when they lose and try to belittle the kespa victories with excuses. It's obvious that the kespa players will be good in the future...
no one is doing this
yesterday when kespa players won it was all, "it's a bo1 doesnt mean anything" or "the other players are playing badly" now "mvp has a wrist problem" "he is still better" etc.
On August 30 2012 13:09 We Are Here wrote: why do esf fans keep defending their players when they lose and try to belittle the kespa victories with excuses. It's obvious that the kespa players will be good in the future...
also making these excuses are the reason why people try to bait them in the first place.
people, I know its hard, but you don't have to argue with everyone whos wrong on the internet.
On August 30 2012 13:09 We Are Here wrote: why do esf fans keep defending their players when they lose and try to belittle the kespa victories with excuses. It's obvious that the kespa players will be good in the future...
eSF fans actually really really like a lot of KeSPA players.
probably, but the vocal ones make me think otherwise. i like esf players too, most of them are from bw
On August 30 2012 12:55 Mohdoo wrote: [quote] If MVP scouted that, it was an easy win. He intended to scout it, but didn't quite. MVP is the better player.
Right dude! LOL! Baby didn't even scout MVPs tech in game 1 and still smashed him. What's your excuse now?
stop being so aggressive It's really fucking annoying
obviously Mvp is better than Baby at sc2 overall but Baby played better in this series, that's that.
"Obviously" I just saw MVP get wrecked in two games. So, how does that make him the better player? It was even a mirror match up.
I saw Flash got wrecked by hyuk once.
Never 4get
can someone aware me on that? like how bad is hyuk and how much of a shock was it etc. please.
Even though people always make fun of him, I would rate him as one of the best non-legend zergs in BW history. He is above average for many years.
you're like kidding? he is the definition of SKTzerg, at one point he had something like 5-20 zvt record
hes still 30% zvt right now
Not kidding, that's my opinion, I respect him a lot.
On August 30 2012 13:03 mango_destroyer wrote: These 12 year old fanboys ruin every thread with this kespa vs esf bullshit. Try enjoying the games instead of waving your e-dick and bandwagoning.
Pretty much, it was fun, then people turned serious. Makes LR a hateful place.
Unfortunately, I doubt a KeSPA fanboy is going to be 12...which makes it really sad.
On August 30 2012 13:02 rave[wcr] wrote: baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
lol, IEM is not really a big tourney...
Yea i dont really understand why people are making a big deal about winning an IEM that had like 5 koreans (MC,NesTea,Yonghwa,MVP, supernova, am i forgetting anyone?) the cash prize was like 6k...
IEM's competition was actually pretty good, Mvp dodged a lot of the better players though. he beat three foreigner zergs from the ro8 to finals. Everyone else in the tournament also lost to these foreigner zergs so I don't think It's to be dismissed.
I feel sorry for the mods who have to go through the trainwrecks that are these live report threads. People don't even talk about the games anymore. I remember when people just used to be excited and talk about cool games. Now they just bicker with each other.
I thought they were cool games. It seemed like MVP just didn't play as well as baby, was just a little behind all the time and a little indecisive. Baby was all over everything MVP tried and really out thought his opponent in these two games. Kind of a reverse from what we've been seeing up until now which has had KesPA players out mechanicking their opponents.
On August 30 2012 13:02 rave[wcr] wrote: baby did a really wierd and greedy opening on g1 and it caught mvp off guard.
g2 mvp saw the fast gas on that one btw but still refused to make a bunker. hes probably tired, and you do lose motivation after winning a big tourney like IEM.
lol, IEM is not really a big tourney...
Yea i dont really understand why people are making a big deal about winning an IEM that had like 5 koreans (MC,NesTea,Yonghwa,MVP, supernova, am i forgetting anyone?) the cash prize was like 6k...
Yah, I would rank it as a tier 2 tourney below GSL, WCS, MLG, IPL.
where would you rank NASL and Dreamhack? i think those are 2 big turns that should be on your list
I think the most recent IEM was a huge step up in terms of the player pool. It was around MLG-level. Above NASL level I'd say.
On August 30 2012 13:09 We Are Here wrote: why do esf fans keep defending their players when they lose and try to belittle the kespa victories with excuses. It's obvious that the kespa players will be good in the future...
eSF fans actually really really like a lot of KeSPA players.
probably, but the vocal ones make me think otherwise. i like esf players too, most of them are from bw
there are certain kespa fans out there who will bait this stuff though, which is why you may see it
On August 30 2012 13:09 We Are Here wrote: why do esf fans keep defending their players when they lose and try to belittle the kespa victories with excuses. It's obvious that the kespa players will be good in the future...
no one is doing this
yesterday when kespa players won it was all, "it's a bo1 doesnt mean anything" or "the other players are playing badly" now "mvp has a wrist problem" "he is still better" etc.
Bo1 doesn't really mean much regardless of who wins.
Some players played badly, eSF and Kespa alike, and some people played well.
Mvp does have a spinal condition that makes his wrists lose ability to control his mouse. It's true, but it shouldn't be a factor in a short Bo3.
In Mvp's case, he really is still better. BaBy was better today though, clearly.
On August 30 2012 13:09 We Are Here wrote: why do esf fans keep defending their players when they lose and try to belittle the kespa victories with excuses. It's obvious that the kespa players will be good in the future...
also making these excuses are the reason why people try to bait them in the first place.
people, I know its hard, but you don't have to argue with everyone whos wrong on the internet.
Well, it is a chicken and egg problem. Sometimes Kespa fans do get overzealous when Kespa wins. And when Kespa loses, they just said, his micro and macro was great. Just need more time to understand SC2.
And for example, when MC won. They said he only won because of cheese.
So I don't think we can pinpoint the problem to one side. But I think as more and more of these games get played and Kespa players playing in GSL. The lines will be blurred soon enough.
An ESF player is beating a Kespa player, better talk mad shit as if its indicative of their entire organizations! Wait no, that'd be extremely childish.
i can't wait till a year from now when we can stop w/ the kespa v gsl arguments and just acknowledge the best players regardless. can't do that now cause we haven't seen enough of the kespa players, but it will be nice.
all that said, i'd give my left foot for trap's stalker micro vs those marines.
On August 30 2012 13:09 We Are Here wrote: why do esf fans keep defending their players when they lose and try to belittle the kespa victories with excuses. It's obvious that the kespa players will be good in the future...
It isn't an eSF vs. KeSPA thing - it is how the games actually went. People would have said the same thing if MKP beat MVP with a proxy-Starport, too. People are often seeing ulterior motives where there are none. Everyone should just relax and not be so touchy over such little stuff.
On August 30 2012 13:18 Tayar wrote: i can't wait till a year from now when we can stop w/ the kespa v gsl arguments and just acknowledge the best players regardless. can't do that now cause we haven't seen enough of the kespa players, but it will be nice.
all that said, i'd give my left foot for trap's stalker micro vs those marines.
Well it won't be the status quo that's for sure.
1 thing we'll probably see a lot less Koreans at foreign tournaments cuz Kespa won't let their players attend as much and if ESF players don't wanna get stomped around in Korea they have to stick to a rough practice regime.
On August 30 2012 13:18 Tayar wrote: i can't wait till a year from now when we can stop w/ the kespa v gsl arguments and just acknowledge the best players regardless. can't do that now cause we haven't seen enough of the kespa players, but it will be nice.
all that said, i'd give my left foot for trap's stalker micro vs those marines.
Well it won't be the status quo that's for sure.
1 thing we'll probably see a lot less Koreans at foreign tournaments cuz Kespa won't let their players attend as much and if ESF players don't wanna get stomped around in Korea they have to stick to a rough practice regime.
On August 30 2012 13:22 Salazarz wrote: Trap teching too much for being on 2 bases :\
not really, coz Keen isn't taking a 3rd and he's constantly making units.
Well the supply deficit for him was pretty massive at one point but since Keen stayed in his base, guess it's fine. Keen definitely had an opportunity to do damage, though.
On August 30 2012 13:18 Tayar wrote: i can't wait till a year from now when we can stop w/ the kespa v gsl arguments and just acknowledge the best players regardless. can't do that now cause we haven't seen enough of the kespa players, but it will be nice.
all that said, i'd give my left foot for trap's stalker micro vs those marines.
Well it won't be the status quo that's for sure.
1 thing we'll probably see a lot less Koreans at foreign tournaments cuz Kespa won't let their players attend as much and if ESF players don't wanna get stomped around in Korea they have to stick to a rough practice regime.
fuck kespa in the ass if that's the case.
well that was for bw. towards the end of bw when all of the teams met together they all discussed how they regret not being involved with foreigners more and how they will try to avoid that mistake again. also they did send b-teamers to foreirgn tournaments such as the chinese ones somewhat often. i really do hope they change though..
On August 30 2012 13:22 Salazarz wrote: Trap teching too much for being on 2 bases :\
He's being skimpy with upgrades to compensate. I also don't think he could have defended 3 fronts until now. Its conservative, but I think it was the right call. Taking a 3rd any earlier would have been relying on Keen to do a poor job harassing, which I think is a tough assumption to make.
On August 30 2012 13:18 Tayar wrote: i can't wait till a year from now when we can stop w/ the kespa v gsl arguments and just acknowledge the best players regardless. can't do that now cause we haven't seen enough of the kespa players, but it will be nice.
all that said, i'd give my left foot for trap's stalker micro vs those marines.
Well it won't be the status quo that's for sure.
1 thing we'll probably see a lot less Koreans at foreign tournaments cuz Kespa won't let their players attend as much and if ESF players don't wanna get stomped around in Korea they have to stick to a rough practice regime.
fuck kespa in the ass if that's the case.
well that was for bw. towards the end of bw when all of the teams met together they all discussed how they regret not being involved with foreigners more and how they will try to avoid that mistake again. also they did send b-teamers to foreirgn tournaments such as the chinese ones somewhat often. i really do hope they change though..
Personally, I think it will balance out a bit, so that eSF teams will send less ppl and KeSPA teams will send more. Samsung at least has an interest in sending people out, since that creates exposure of their brand.
Okay this is weird. Keens playing passive for so long when there was no real need to. Either his playstyle is weird or he wasn't sure how ahead/behind he was..
On August 30 2012 13:26 FataLe wrote: Okay this is weird. Keens playing passive for so long when there was no real need to. Either his playstyle is weird or he wasn't sure how ahead/behind he was..
Keen's control actually too good, not enough meat for trap, not enough meat. Oh god, nevermind those storms while he was killing rocks.
On August 30 2012 13:30 AllHailTheDead wrote: maybe im just a lil spoiled but this isnt widescreen? lolwut
English I could care less about but man its hard to watch this when its a little square box
language i don't understand > moletrap anyday. that said, korean's definition of high quality streams and the rest of the world's definition of hq streams is vastly different.
On August 30 2012 13:29 Stanlot wrote: Whoa. mvp got wiped out? were they good games?
The first one was standard biomech, early-advantage into starve-the-other-guy, pretty tight play by Baby. The second was again early advantage into midgame, with Baby banking on his advantage (unscouted proxy banshee) and MVP sieging Baby without really breaking in. Baby broke the siege really well after MVP lost the air advantage for his mech army. They were nice enough games overall.
On August 30 2012 13:29 achan1058 wrote: What's going on? So Keen went full foreigner and eat a bunch of storm, then trap hyuked himself?
well, trap wasn't ahead. they were just even. but the longer that game went the stronger Keen was going to get.
It was going to come down to EMP vs Storms and Trap's HTs were all at the back. And once they got in range of bio, the emps had already landed. Nice engagement by Keen.
On August 30 2012 13:29 achan1058 wrote: What's going on? So Keen went full foreigner and eat a bunch of storm, then trap hyuked himself?
well, trap wasn't ahead. they were just even. but the longer that game went the stronger Keen was going to get.
It was going to come down to EMP vs Storms and Trap's HTs were all at the back. And once they got in range of bio, the emps had already landed. Nice engagement by Keen.
Of course, but Keen had a saturated 4th while Trap was stuck on 3 bases still. Even if Keen lost that engagement, he would still be in it.
On August 30 2012 13:32 Mohdoo wrote: Kespa player down a game, better be a huge dick to anyone who supports Kespa players. That's the adult thing to do!
It is obviously a very adult thing to mock the people.
On August 30 2012 13:48 BlazeFury01 wrote: Trap needs immortal. He just refuses to make them.
huh?
Immortal rape marauder.
lol, at no point in that game should trap have built an immortal.
Pretty much.. Trap just had a silly BO vs standard play.
the marines in the beginning hurt, but i don't like the whole getting every piece of tech before your third thing he did both games. I could be wrong though, i always hesitate to question a pros build. def didn't work this series.
On August 30 2012 13:48 BlazeFury01 wrote: Trap needs immortal. He just refuses to make them.
huh?
Immortal rape marauder.
lol, at no point in that game should trap have built an immortal.
Pretty much.. Trap just had a silly BO vs standard play.
the marines in the beginning hurt, but i don't like the whole getting every piece of tech before your third thing he did both games. I could be wrong though, i always hesitate to question a pros build. def didn't work this series.
It's safe to take a third that route, but you a put far behind in econ/production. I don't like it at all, far too passive.
On August 30 2012 13:45 Condor Hero wrote: about this fast colossus, yeah i dont like it. you always end up being 10-20 supply behind.
should just get double forge and like 8 gates to secure third then get aoe
2 base colossus works fine as long as you can defend stim timing. Problem with this toss was he wanted to get colossus, templar, carrier, and mothership off of 2 bases.
On August 30 2012 13:57 opterown wrote: while on the topic of unit counters,
but, but? Immortal own roach??
immortal own maruader and roach???
His list says roach counters rays, carriers and mothership, and you're caughtup on the immortal? O.o
In the old days 3gate expand into void ray was countered hard by a quick 2base roach push because of the lack of gateway units. The voidray will get a queen kill or two and some drones but the roaches will wreck his base. Same with carrier and mamaship rushes.
On August 30 2012 15:02 ZeromuS wrote: How were the MVP games? I feel like his play hasn't been that great the past couple games I have seen after IEM.
Perhaps his hands are giving him a lot of pain after that tournament run
He's also up against one of the best KESPA terrans, so it's hard to tell what kind of shape he's actually in (I missed the games entirely)
On August 30 2012 15:02 ZeromuS wrote: How were the MVP games? I feel like his play hasn't been that great the past couple games I have seen after IEM.
Perhaps his hands are giving him a lot of pain after that tournament run
Honestly, he didn't play that badly. Baby defended his aggressive build in G1 and rode that advantage to a win and proxy banshees put him behind in the second. Baby also played very well when he was in the lead. I think people's expectations got heightened after he won IEM and expected him to win everything. But the players levels are all very close that small things end up deciding matches. I mean look at Keen, he didn't even make it out of his Up and Down groups but took down trap who had one of the better (close to best I think) records in PL.
Between MVP and Baby, what styles were the games? 1st game I think it was mech vs mech and second was bio vs mech? I am interested in Bio vs mech. How did the bio player, Baby, win vs the meching player , MVP?
On August 30 2012 15:02 ZeromuS wrote: How were the MVP games? I feel like his play hasn't been that great the past couple games I have seen after IEM.
Perhaps his hands are giving him a lot of pain after that tournament run
Make no mistake. This is the same MVP that won IEM. Just because he won IEM doesn't mean he's back to old MVP. I don't think we'll ever have old MVP back.
On August 30 2012 15:33 dynwar7 wrote: Between MVP and Baby, what styles were the games? 1st game I think it was mech vs mech and second was bio vs mech? I am interested in Bio vs mech. How did the bio player, Baby, win vs the meching player , MVP?
Baby was ahead after the proxy starport bansheen attack. So he chose bio to get a 3rd base, MVP chose mech to do a 2 base timing, without expanding to 3rd. MVP sieged up outside of baby's 3rd and natural, it was pretty close at that moment, but Baby won the viking fight. So from then on, with great patience and marine drop on tanks, finally baby killed all MVP's tanks with 1 or 2 marauders left. Then it is a 2base vs 3base TvT, MVP tried to get a 3rd, but torn apart by drops and multi-front attacks, did not get 3rd eventually. GG from there on. Pretty good game in general.
Haha omg, im watching the vods and just saw how close MVP was to scouting the proxy banshee in game 2. He does everything right, scouts for the the proxy but leaves just enough fog of war unscouted in the corner. haha that was crazy
On August 30 2012 15:02 ZeromuS wrote: How were the MVP games? I feel like his play hasn't been that great the past couple games I have seen after IEM.
Perhaps his hands are giving him a lot of pain after that tournament run
Make no mistake. This is the same MVP that won IEM. Just because he won IEM doesn't mean he's back to old MVP. I don't think we'll ever have old MVP back.
I think this is because the level of play has increased and people have caught up sort of speak.
On August 30 2012 15:02 ZeromuS wrote: How were the MVP games? I feel like his play hasn't been that great the past couple games I have seen after IEM.
Perhaps his hands are giving him a lot of pain after that tournament run
Make no mistake. This is the same MVP that won IEM. Just because he won IEM doesn't mean he's back to old MVP. I don't think we'll ever have old MVP back.
I think this is because the level of play has increased and people have caught up sort of speak.
Well he said it himself, the competition has caught up but on top of that, he has stagnated because of his inability to consistently train. So yeh, he won't ever be dominant again, especially with these KESPA gods appearing. I hope he remains competitive though.
On August 30 2012 15:33 dynwar7 wrote: Between MVP and Baby, what styles were the games? 1st game I think it was mech vs mech and second was bio vs mech? I am interested in Bio vs mech. How did the bio player, Baby, win vs the meching player , MVP?
Baby was ahead after the proxy starport bansheen attack. So he chose bio to get a 3rd base, MVP chose mech to do a 2 base timing, without expanding to 3rd. MVP sieged up outside of baby's 3rd and natural, it was pretty close at that moment, but Baby won the viking fight. So from then on, with great patience and marine drop on tanks, finally baby killed all MVP's tanks with 1 or 2 marauders left. Then it is a 2base vs 3base TvT, MVP tried to get a 3rd, but torn apart by drops and multi-front attacks, did not get 3rd eventually. GG from there on. Pretty good game in general.
Well, MVP had 6 SCVs left after baby's banshees were done with him. so even with faster 2nd orbital the game was pretty over
Is this replacing OSL for tonight since there isn't a LR thread for OSL day 3? I have no clue what the schedule is like right now for korean starcraft :/
On August 30 2012 17:48 hunts wrote: Is this replacing OSL for tonight since there isn't a LR thread for OSL day 3? I have no clue what the schedule is like right now for korean starcraft :/
check the calendar, it's pretty consistently updated!
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